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Quote from: dgies9156 on May 02, 2016, 11:27:10 AM
Al apparently dealt directly with the late Father John P. Raynor, then President of Marquette University.

Can you imagine Al going into Father Pilarz and telling him, "Father, you took the vow of poverty. I didn't" in response to Marquette compensation offer?

Father DiUilio would have chased Al off and been as effective in operating the basketball team as he was in closing Wisconsin Avenue. Yikes!

Al would have been fine with Fr Wild (as he was with Fr Raynor). Those other "bosses"? Not so much.

MU82

Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 02, 2016, 11:15:16 AM
So are you saying Al would disagree with Al or are you disdaining the use of teal?

Nicely played, Lenny.

Or was it ... ?
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Quote from: MU82 on May 02, 2016, 12:05:14 PM
Nicely played, Lenny.

Or was it ... ?

Yet another example of why I love Scoop.

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Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 02, 2016, 11:59:40 AM
Al would have been fine with Fr Wild (as he was with Fr Raynor). Those other "bosses"? Not so much.

I suspect Al may have known Father Wild, since Father Wild had been on campus as a Philosophy professor back in the 1970s.

But I absolutely agree. Father Wild is an incredible gentleman and a fine leader.

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Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 02, 2016, 11:59:40 AM
Al would have been fine with Fr Wild (as he was with Fr Raynor). Those other "bosses"? Not so much.
I agree with this analysis.
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Quote from: dgies9156 on May 01, 2016, 05:36:35 PM
In today's PC world, we couldn't have an Al. Given the way he ran our program and the willingness he had to "not know his place" and say what was on his mind, Marquette would be the king of probation. They would emasculate us today.

Well, if Al were the coach of Marquette today ... he wouldn't be the coach of Marquette today.

He would have gotten HUGE money from the Bucks, and Marquette wouldn't have stopped him from leaving because that's not what universities do any more. They would have accepted whatever buyout $ Al's contract would have called for and gone out and hired a new coach.

Many of us would have spent years ripping Al as a traitor and making fun of him. Woulda called him a snake-oil salesman, for sure. Others would have been happy such a "squirmy" character was gone. Simultaneously, many would have spent years bitching that the new coach wasn't good enough.

Yep, woulda been fun to have a world in which Al and Scoop collided.
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Quote from: MU82 on May 02, 2016, 02:09:32 PM
Well, if Al were the coach of Marquette today ... he wouldn't be the coach of Marquette today.

He would have gotten HUGE money from the Bucks, and Marquette wouldn't have stopped him from leaving because that's not what universities do any more. They would have accepted whatever buyout $ Al's contract would have called for and gone out and hired a new coach.

Many of us would have spent years ripping Al as a traitor and making fun of him. Woulda called him a snake-oil salesman, for sure. Others would have been happy such a "squirmy" character was gone. Simultaneously, many would have spent years bitching that the new coach wasn't good enough.

Yep, woulda been fun to have a world in which Al and Scoop collided.

All true.

dgies9156

Quote from: MU82 on May 02, 2016, 02:09:32 PM
Well, if Al were the coach of Marquette today ... he wouldn't be the coach of Marquette today.

He would have gotten HUGE money from the Bucks, and Marquette wouldn't have stopped him from leaving because that's not what universities do any more. They would have accepted whatever buyout $ Al's contract would have called for and gone out and hired a new coach.

Many of us would have spent years ripping Al as a traitor and making fun of him. Woulda called him a snake-oil salesman, for sure. Others would have been happy such a "squirmy" character was gone. Simultaneously, many would have spent years bitching that the new coach wasn't good enough.

Yep, woulda been fun to have a world in which Al and Scoop collided.

I have no idea what was in Al's contract circa 1969-1970, but I'm almost willing to bet there was NO buyout clause in the contract. Or, if there was, the Milwaukee Bucks probably made it clear they would not pay it.

Sometimes things happen for the best. Al later admitted, he would not be suited to coach guys who made more than he did. And, Kareem coming down the pike a year or two later, there was no way Al would make more than Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. I also could never see Al duking it out with professional athletes who didn't buy in or got in his way.

Also would wonder how Al would have handled the pervasive drug use that was going on in the NBA by the late 1970s.

Al was a personality and a great teacher at Marquette. He was a perfect fit for the 1970s era college game. I'm glad we had him as her personified what Marquette was and is all about.

MU82

Quote from: dgies9156 on May 02, 2016, 03:04:54 PM
I have no idea what was in Al's contract circa 1969-1970, but I'm almost willing to bet there was NO buyout clause in the contract. Or, if there was, the Milwaukee Bucks probably made it clear they would not pay it.

Sometimes things happen for the best. Al later admitted, he would not be suited to coach guys who made more than he did. And, Kareem coming down the pike a year or two later, there was no way Al would make more than Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. I also could never see Al duking it out with professional athletes who didn't buy in or got in his way.

Also would wonder how Al would have handled the pervasive drug use that was going on in the NBA by the late 1970s.

Al was a personality and a great teacher at Marquette. He was a perfect fit for the 1970s era college game. I'm glad we had him as her personified what Marquette was and is all about.

No argument.

There were no buyout clauses in 1970. There also were no big-money, multi-year contracts.

All's I said was that if this were today, Al would have had a huge contract with MU and that if he wanted to leave, MU wouldn't have stopped him as the school did way back when.
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