Mid-Season Stud Mix

[WarriorFan]

Not surprised at all that HE has 5.

Amazed that Fischer has only one, but foul trouble and stronger conference defenders seem to really trouble him.

Disappointed that Wilson has only one.  I was looking for him to be the closer on this team, but he's been nothing of the sort in most games.  Slow, bad shots, etc. 

Who finishes the season with 3 or more besides Henry?????

[Badgerhater]

If Cohen or Johnson find a way to be the number two contributor behind Henry vs. Stetson, then they will pick up their third SOTG.

Henry actually has more than 5 but we as a group talked ourselves out of several during the OOC.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

If we get the opportunity to name a handful of more studs, I like JJJ as the one who emerges.  It will take a lot though to outshine the Double-Double machine. 

[GGGG]

If we get the opportunity to name a handful of more studs, I like JJJ as the one who emerges. 

Said MUScoop every year for the past three...

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Said MUScoop every year for the past three...

Very true -- I am just grasping for who would emerge at this point.  My guess is Sandy, HC, Traci, Duane and Luke have hit somewhat of a wall/peak in production.  'Good' JJJ has showed up a little more over the past couple games.

Wishful thinking of course.

[CTWarrior]

I say Duane Wilson would be the next likely guy, though he'd have to get 2.  He can get hot and throw up a 25 point game or two. 

[GooooMarquette]

Haanif.  Several times when he didn't get SOTG, he got plenty of "votes."  And he has probably been our most consistent player other than Henry and Luke.

[We R Final Four]

Haanif.  Several times when he didn't get SOTG, he got plenty of "votes."  And he has probably been our most consistent player other than Henry and Luke.

Haney--expect to see a few more SOTGs.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Amazed that Fischer has only one, but foul trouble and stronger conference defenders seem to really trouble him.

Fan tend to undervalue the dirty work that bigs do. Luke isnt as flashy as HE or the guards but hes our best player.

[brewcity77]

I think Duane could emerge. He'd be on 2 if Billy Garrett hadn't snatched it away from him at the death. I think we see him become more consistent as he solidifies a starting job. I like him to pick up 2-3 more from here on out.

[KampusFoods]

Fan tend to undervalue the dirty work that bigs do. Luke isnt as flashy as HE or the guards but hes our best player.

Henry is our best player.

[BrewCity83]

Duane gets a couple more.  Luke gets a couple more too--starting with tomorrow night.

[GGGG]

Fan tend to undervalue the dirty work that bigs do. Luke isnt as flashy as HE or the guards but hes our best player.

Luke isn't the best player.

[MU82]

Henry actually has more than 5 but we as a group talked ourselves out of several during the OOC.

Respectfully disagree.

A few of those games, Henry had the best stats, but the person chosen was the sparkplug or was the guy who "sealed the deal."

I think the mods have gotten it pretty much right, and our debate to help get them there has been filled with mostly good arguments.

My only regret is that I wish we had more SoG's!!!

[wadesworld]

Henry is our best player.

+1.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Henry is our best player.

Luke isn't the best player.

+1.

Not according to value add. I think our team would be wise without Luke than without Henry.

[KampusFoods]

Not according to value add. I think our team would be wise without Luke than without Henry.

Idk, just calling it as I see it. When I watch the games, it is pretty clear to me that Henry is better at basketball. But I do love the Fish, definitely our next best.

[GooooMarquette]

Not according to value add. I think our team would be wise without Luke than without Henry.

If you go strictly by value add to decide who is the "best" player, Josh Scott of Colorado is the third best player in the country.  http://www.valueaddbasketball.com/

Value add is an important stat (Buddy Hield and Ben Simmons are #1 and 2), but it is not the only indicator of who the "best" players are.

[MU82]

If you go strictly by value add to decide who is the "best" player, Josh Scott of Colorado is the third best player in the country.  http://www.valueaddbasketball.com/

Value add is an important stat (Buddy Hield and Ben Simmons are #1 and 2), but it is not the only indicator of who the "best" players are.

Exactly. Some folks fall in love with some stats and forget to, you know, actually watch the games and the players.

[brewcity77]

Henry is our most talented player without a doubt. That doesn't make him our best or most important. He still plays like a freshman a bit too much for my taste.

[KampusFoods]

Henry is our most talented player without a doubt. That doesn't make him our best or most important. He still plays like a freshman a bit too much for my taste.

Who do you think is better?

[GooooMarquette]

Henry is our most talented player without a doubt. That doesn't make him our best or most important. He still plays like a freshman a bit too much for my taste.

One of the unfortunate realities of this year's team is that everybody plays like a freshman more than we'd like.

Duane takes ill advised shots and carries the ball...Luke repeatedly gets in foul trouble so he can't stay on the court...Sandy gets way too tentative.

I can deal with freshman-type mistakes from freshmen, but it's doubly frustrating when you get them from sophomores and juniors.

For my money, Henry is our most talented and best player.

[brewcity77]

Who do you think is better?

Luke is the most obvious as our best player. His fouls have been a killer, and Henry's a better defensive rebounder, but Luke is just so much more efficient on the offensive end. But again, those fouls hurting us is because it's taking our best player off the court.

What kills me about Henry is looking at the eFG% of our top 5 guys in terms of shot distribution:

1) Henry Ellenson, 28.3% Shots taken, 45.8 eFG%
2) Duane Wilson, 24.0% Shots taken, 52.0 eFG%
3) Jajuan Johnson, 21.8% Shots taken, 51.7 eFG%
4) Luke Fischer, 19.4% Shots taken, 61.9 eFG%
5) Haanif Cheatham, 19.2% Shots taken, 54.3 eFG%

So of our five top scoring options, the one that takes the most shots is also the least efficient? And the two who produce the most are the least likely to shoot? That's just backwards.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Luke is the most obvious as our best player. His fouls have been a killer, and Henry's a better defensive rebounder, but Luke is just so much more efficient on the offensive end. But again, those fouls hurting us is because it's taking our best player off the court.

What kills me about Henry is looking at the eFG% of our top 5 guys in terms of shot distribution:

1) Henry Ellenson, 28.3% Shots taken, 45.8 eFG%
2) Duane Wilson, 24.0% Shots taken, 52.0 eFG%
3) Jajuan Johnson, 21.8% Shots taken, 51.7 eFG%
4) Luke Fischer, 19.4% Shots taken, 61.9 eFG%
5) Haanif Cheatham, 19.2% Shots taken, 54.3 eFG%

So of our five top scoring options, the one that takes the most shots is also the least efficient? And the two who produce the most are the least likely to shoot? That's just backwards.

I thought the stat guys always told us that efficiency declines as usage increases -- so maybe not backwards, just says Luke either needs more shots or needs to stop fouling and be on the floor a little more.

[GGGG]

Luke is the most obvious as our best player. His fouls have been a killer, and Henry's a better defensive rebounder, but Luke is just so much more efficient on the offensive end. But again, those fouls hurting us is because it's taking our best player off the court.

What kills me about Henry is looking at the eFG% of our top 5 guys in terms of shot distribution:

1) Henry Ellenson, 28.3% Shots taken, 45.8 eFG%
2) Duane Wilson, 24.0% Shots taken, 52.0 eFG%
3) Jajuan Johnson, 21.8% Shots taken, 51.7 eFG%
4) Luke Fischer, 19.4% Shots taken, 61.9 eFG%
5) Haanif Cheatham, 19.2% Shots taken, 54.3 eFG%

So of our five top scoring options, the one that takes the most shots is also the least efficient? And the two who produce the most are the least likely to shoot? That's just backwards.

Henry should shoot less to make him more efficient.  Luke should stay on the floor so he can shoot more.

But that doesn't mean that your most efficient player is your best player.  Maybe if Luke was able to stay on the floor, Henry wouldn't have to take so many shots.