Chad ford

[WarriorPride68]

Saw he is releasing his new rankings his morning. Will be interested to see where Henry is at

[wadesworld]

Saw he is releasing his new rankings his morning. Will be interested to see where Henry is at

Between 7 and 12.

[NavinRJohnson]

Don't have insider, but according to the headline, he's moving up.

Some of you guys need to realize that NBA teams don't care if MU is good or not,  or let that cloud their judgement as you do (they also understand when a guys game/body is tailor made for the NBA, as HE's is). Much like the combine is so important in the NFL, these guys are juspdged on their measurable so and potential exponentially more that no what they do in college games.

[MUfan12]

4th again.

[Golden Avalanche]

4th again.

Gaaaaaaaa..........didn't the evaluators see Hobbled Henry last night losing to the worst program in Big East history? How dare they think he's a lottery talent when it's clear Wojo has stripped him of all his balling mojo.

[MU82]

These yahoos who think Henry won't be a lottery pick must never have seen an NBA draft, must never have read stories quoting NBA scouts and GMs when they say what they are looking for, and must never have seen the likes of Vonleh and Len play in college.

[WarriorPride68]

These yahoos who think Henry won't be a lottery pick must never have seen an NBA draft, must never have read stories quoting NBA scouts and GMs when they say what they are looking for, and must never have seen the likes of Vonleh and Len play in college.

Forgot about that kid

[wadesworld]

These yahoos who think Henry won't be a lottery pick must never have seen an NBA draft, must never have read stories quoting NBA scouts and GMs when they say what they are looking for, and must never have seen the likes of Vonleh and Len play in college.

These are the same yahoos that are coming to conclusions about Wojo's coaching ability and basketball knowledge based on the "inside the huddle" segments shown on TV during our games.  They obviously played basketball in high school, duh.

[Dunk The Ball Eric]

4th again.

The Timberwolves are loaded with young talent, but they're struggling to compete with the other elite teams in the West and look destined to land yet another top-five pick. They already have a number of young players they love -- Andrew Wiggins, Karl-Anthony Towns, Zach LaVine, Ricky Rubio and Shabazz Muhammad -- but could still use some help at the 4.

Ellenson is a perfect fit as a big who can rebound and spread the floor. Think of him as a poor man's Kevin Love, to invoke the name of a recent Timberwolves star.

[MU82]

These are the same yahoos that are coming to conclusions about Wojo's coaching ability and basketball knowledge based on the "inside the huddle" segments shown on TV during our games.  They obviously played basketball in high school, duh.

Exactly.

Somebody needs to tell 'em: Open your effen eyes and ears, and look at what's going on outside your little cocoons. Maybe you'll learn something.

Oh, and don't just swing by Scoop to post when you're a pissed off, whiny little be-atch.

(I guess I did just tell 'em.)

[HoopsterBC]

He will be a nice benchwarmer next year in the NBA, maybe spends a little time in the D league.  But a millionaire for sure.

[westcoastwarrior]

Speaking of D-league playing time... I watched Kevon Looney play in the D-League last night...the boy has a lot of work to do to be a NBA player.

I think Santa Cruz Warriors next game is televised on ESPNU on Friday.

[mug644]

These are the same yahoos that are coming to conclusions about Wojo's coaching ability and basketball knowledge based on the "inside the huddle" segments shown on TV during our games.  They obviously played basketball in high school, duh.

Exactly.

Somebody needs to tell 'em: Open your effen eyes and ears, and look at what's going on outside your little cocoons. Maybe you'll learn something.

Oh, and don't just swing by Scoop to post when you're a pissed off, whiny little be-atch.

(I guess I did just tell 'em.)

Hey, guys, I'm the one that first mentioned the "inside the huddle" observation in the "Wojo is a heck of a coach" thread http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=50313.msg795887#msg795887, and if you re-read my post and the subsequent ones, I think you'll see very little of the over the top judgment and "conclusions about Wojo's coaching ability and basketball knowledge" and "whiny little be-atch" tone that you are carrying over into a different thread.

Between my initial post...

I'm certainly not as ready to give up on Wojo as some posters seem to be, but I've been wondering where to put out this observation: each time I see that Fox is about to "go into the MU huddle" I cringe a little bit. Wojo seems so--I can't really put a word on it--unconvincing. I've not really heard much technical coaching, as in setting up a play or giving specific instructions. Nor is there much inspiration in his words and tone, like a leader or captain. What I see and hear is repetition. He seems to grab onto to one phrase ("pass the ball") and repeat it 3 or 4 times.

Now, I realize that what Fox shows is just a small slice of his on the sideline coaching, but it just doesn't leave me impressed.

and a second comment responding to TAMU..

As implied in my initial post about the huddles, I do presume that that is the case. But what we do see is just shallow, and I'm not sure how it directs or motivates the players. Maybe I'm wrong about how it impacts the players, maybe my expectations are unrealistic and/or maybe the "in the huddle" idea is lacking.

I can't and won't use what we see in the huddle as a means of judging Wojo; it was simply an observation.

Further, I'm not ready to reminisce about Buzz and compare Wojo to Buzz.

and then Wadesworld initial response...

This place is awesome.  Determining how good of a coach we have based on 5 second segments each games that go "inside the huddle."

There are way too many things wrong with this to even bother addressing further.

there were 2 guys who said "I miss Buzz" and 1 guy who asked which Buzz do they miss.

I responded to Wadesworld, asking...

Wait a second, please. Show me where I--as the person who first brought up my huddle observation--was "determining how good a coach we have."

In subsequent, related comments, two posters mention "I miss Buzz" but it's not as if they were over the top and they were not judging Wojo based on those "5 second segments."

If anyone is overreacting, I venture to say it is you.

but he never responded. Indeed, for the rest of the thread, there was very little judging of Wojo (except for crazyfannyboy54, who seems to be trolling this afternoon), and certainly nothing stating or even implying that what we see during "in the huddle" is proof that he can't coach. Most of the discussion around "in the huddle" was really just observations, like my first comment.

If you see that thread differently than I, please point to specific comments and even specific people. If not, I'll assume that Wadesworld lack of response to my above request was a silent means of pointing out that he did indeed overreact.

Nevertheless, you both carry that over to this thread. For what? I don't get it.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Chad will retroactively change his rankings as he's done in the past, so nothing to see here.

[WarriorPride68]

Chad will retroactively change his rankings as he's done in the past, so nothing to see here.

+1

[wadesworld]

Hey, guys, I'm the one that first mentioned the "inside the huddle" observation in the "Wojo is a heck of a coach" thread http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=50313.msg795887#msg795887, and if you re-read my post and the subsequent ones, I think you'll see very little of the over the top judgment and "conclusions about Wojo's coaching ability and basketball knowledge" and "whiny little be-atch" tone that you are carrying over into a different thread.

Between my initial post...
and a second comment responding to TAMU..
and then Wadesworld initial response...
there were 2 guys who said "I miss Buzz" and 1 guy who asked which Buzz do they miss.

I responded to Wadesworld, asking...
but he never responded. Indeed, for the rest of the thread, there was very little judging of Wojo (except for crazyfannyboy54, who seems to be trolling this afternoon), and certainly nothing stating or even implying that what we see during "in the huddle" is proof that he can't coach. Most of the discussion around "in the huddle" was really just observations, like my first comment.

If you see that thread differently than I, please point to specific comments and even specific people. If not, I'll assume that Wadesworld lack of response to my above request was a silent means of pointing out that he did indeed overreact.

Nevertheless, you both carry that over to this thread. For what? I don't get it.

I did respond in that thread.  Feel free to read my further comments.  Anything you see at all from "inside the huddle" is completely irrelevant.  I'll say it again, watch a Spurs game on TNT.  When they go "inside the huddle," all you'll hear from Pop is "play the right way," and, "move the basketball."  Nothing motivating.  Nothing genius.  And (I think?) Pop has proven to not be some boring, clichéd, coach's speak, moron of a basketball coach.  Any observations are completely meaningless.  So meaningless that I'll leave it at that regardless of any further responses.

[mug644]

I did respond in that thread.  Feel free to read my further comments.  Anything you see at all from "inside the huddle" is completely irrelevant.  I'll say it again, watch a Spurs game on TNT.  When they go "inside the huddle," all you'll hear from Pop is "play the right way," and, "move the basketball."  Nothing motivating.  Nothing genius.  And (I think?) Pop has proven to not be some boring, clichéd, coach's speak, moron of a basketball coach.  Any observations are completely meaningless.  So meaningless that I'll leave it at that regardless of any further responses.

I read your comments, and hold fast to the idea that you overreacted prematurely. "Any observations are completely meaningless"? You might keep that in mind when you assume that a poster is "determining how good of a coach we have based on 5 second segments each games that go 'inside the huddle'" and then carry that agitation to another thread.

[wadesworld]

I read your comments, and hold fast to the idea that you overreacted prematurely. "Any observations are completely meaningless"? You might keep that in mind when you assume that a poster is "determining how good of a coach we have based on 5 second segments each games that go 'inside the huddle'" and then carry that agitation to another thread.

...says the guy who carried this topic into this thread. But carry on.

PS If you read my comments in the other thread then why are you claiming I never responded?

[WarriorPride68]

Draft express updated: Henry at #7. I think he was there last time also.

[Windyplayer]

The fact that an 18-year-old kid of his size can shoot, pass, dribble, and run the floor pretty well is impressive. Now, he doesn't do any one of those things really well, but the potential is obviously there given his age.

All of those tools are impressive assuming, or so I think, that he has a legit paint game as most players his size do. But, Henry really doesn't have that yet--in fact, I would go as far to characterize him as soft in there unwilling to draw contact (non-offensively--yes, he's had a lot of bogus calls against him).

So what you have right now is an 18-year-old that has all of these tools, but hasn't shown that he excels in any one category. The potential is huge, don't get me wrong, but there's also a lot of uncertainty. He doesn't have that one part of his game that's refined, NBA-ready.

As an NBA scout, can you bank on development of all those tools over time? I say yes, because he really could become a special player if he develops all facets of his game accordingly. Is that upside worth a top 10 pick? I don't know.

Spoiler: it is because NBA scouts say so.

[damuts222]

Also, despite Simmons this draft class is weak.

[nyg]

Draft express updated: Henry at #7. I think he was there last time also.

Again, the NBA rookie scale with a fourth year option for pick number seven is 14.5 M. 

The number ten pick is 11.6M. 

Following the season, if Henry is told by pre-draft services he will be in top ten, I am sure he will depart. 

Wojo and staff, please start looking for a PF.........

[LAZER]

Also, despite Simmons this draft class is weak.

And '17 is stronger, more reason for Henry to leave.

[HoopsterBC]

Henry is all but gone, money talks, people walk.   10-14 million guaranteed  for 3 years see ya.   The NBA is ruining the farm system by taking freshman that are not
even that good yet. Kevon Looney is a perfect example, not sure he will ever make it.   He got $3 millon or so over 3 years.  Uncle Sam takes 40%, family takes who
knows, friends need a few dollars and by 22 he is in Europe or the D league, almost broke.  Hope that is not the case.  Now 10-14 is 5-7, that you can live along time
on and the next contract if good, is Wes Mathews money or Jimmy Butler.  Needs to improve his outside shot, much like DWade, became a shooter, at MU he was a
slasher.

[WarriorPride68]

Wojo and staff, please start looking for a PF.........

I looked at "247" top JUCO prospects for 2016. Nearly all of them are committed. One that isn't is Jabari Craig (6'10), who committed to USC last year but didn't qualify. Evidently MU was recruiting him then. Now it seems like only East Carolina is looking at him.

The list: http://247sports.com/Season/2016-Basketball/CompositeRecruitRankings?InstitutionGroup=JuniorCollege

MU had offered Willis (#9 on list) & Rivers (#14 on list)