[Cracked Sidewalks] Only 3 BE Players Possess Ball More than Ellenson; Only 2 Have Higher Possessions AND Offensive Rating than Fischer

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Only 3 BE Players Possess Ball More than Ellenson; Only 2 Have Higher Possessions AND Offensive Rating than Fischer

Only two Big East Players - Josh Hart and Ryan Arcidiacono of Villanova - have both a higher Offensive Rating and more possessions than Luke Fischer.

Basketball on Paper ran groundbreaking studies showing how much players' Offensive Ratings dropped the more they possessed the ball. Theoretically someone who only shot if they were left alone for a wide open dunk and did not miss would be averaging 200 points per 100 trips.

The more a player must take on - double teams and tougher shots - the more his Offensive Rating drops (Jerry Stackhouse and Allen Iverson were the first studied).

That is the backdrop for Henry Ellenson being one of only four Big East players handling more than 20% of his team's total possessions (www.kenpom.com Min% x Poss%). To that end his 100.1 Offensive Rating is not even average (102.7), but Value Add calculates that the players that must take the brunt of the opponent's defense are adding value, and thus his 5.48 overall value ranks him a strong but not elite 477th of 4000+ players.

Amazingly, two of the other four players are both with Providence - Kris Dunn and Ben Bentil - and those two have extremely high offensive ratings.

The following is a list of all Big East players handling at least 10% of his team's possessions, with Marquette players in gold.

Rnk	Player	Team	Poss/Gm	ORtg	Offense	Defense	Total
875	Whitehead, Isaiah 15	Seton Hall	22.5%	97.4	2.87	-0.80	3.63
31	Dunn, Kris 3	Providence	22.1%	110.0	5.97	-4.06	10.73
34	Bentil, Ben 0	Providence	21.9%	116.3	7.97	-1.70	10.66
477	Ellenson, Henry 13	Marquette	20.9%	100.1	2.99	-2.38	5.48
172	Jones, Roosevelt 21	Butler	19.6%	117.5	6.39	-1.22	7.53
150	Smith-Rivera, D'Vauntes 4	Georgetown	19.6%	112.5	6.84	-1.07	7.83
436	Watson, Maurice 10	Creighton	19.1%	114.4	5.66	-0.11	5.71
179	Garrett, Billy 5	DePaul	18.7%	114.4	7.63	0.08	7.47
9998	Mussini, Federico 4	St. John's	18.0%	90.4	0.06	-0.01	0.08
387	Carrington, Khadeen 0	Seton Hall	17.6%	105.3	4.73	-1.28	5.95
236	Bluiett, Trevon 5	Xavier	17.1%	111.5	4.99	-1.82	6.95
300	Bullock, Rodney 5	Providence	17.1%	108.6	4.26	-2.03	6.42
258	Henry, Myke 4	DePaul	16.5%	110.2	5.58	-1.11	6.82
713	Dunham, Kellen 24	Butler	16.5%	115.3	4.92	0.75	4.25
14	Hart, Josh 3	Villanova	16.4%	126.1	8.03	-2.76	11.80
994	Wilson, Duane 1	Marquette	15.7%	101.8	2.71	-0.56	3.23
1039	Johnson, Durand 5	St. John's	15.4%	96.7	2.21	-0.83	3.10
754	Copeland, Isaac 11	Georgetown	15.3%	104.9	3.40	-0.65	4.13
104	Arcidiacono, Ryan 15	Villanova	15.3%	125.0	7.23	-1.31	8.46
549	Martin, Kelan 30	Butler	15.2%	114.5	4.39	-0.59	5.08
137	Fischer, Luke 40	Marquette	14.9%	118.5	6.92	-0.90	7.98
552	Brunson, Jalen 1	Villanova	14.6%	113.5	4.63	-0.49	5.06
195	Rodriguez, Desi 20	Seton Hall	13.9%	112.0	5.41	-1.81	7.36
57	Ochefu, Daniel 23	Villanova	13.4%	121.0	5.61	-3.35	9.94
1265	Cheatham, Haanif 25	Marquette	13.1%	101.7	2.25	-0.19	2.41
635	Delgado, Angel 31	Seton Hall	13.1%	101.3	2.58	-1.96	4.64
1598	Gordon, Derrick 32	Seton Hall	12.9%	93.7	0.80	-0.85	1.63
362	Davis, Myles 15	Xavier	12.8%	122.6	5.64	-0.51	6.09
220	Chrabascz, Andrew 45	Butler	12.7%	134.1	6.73	-0.24	7.11
956	Peak, LJ 0	Georgetown	12.7%	105.9	3.04	-0.23	3.34
924	Sumner, Edmond 4	Xavier	12.7%	106.2	2.79	-0.69	3.45
738	Hayes, Bradley 42	Georgetown	12.6%	102.6	2.32	-1.78	4.18
2386	Cain, Eli 11	DePaul	12.4%	87.8	0.00	-0.41	0.42
419	Reynolds, Jalen 1	Xavier	12.4%	108.4	3.08	-2.61	5.80
391	Zierden, Isaiah 21	Creighton	12.2%	124.8	5.28	-0.72	5.94
517	Jenkins, Kris 2	Villanova	12.2%	114.9	4.10	-1.00	5.21
2364	Jones, Christian 2	St. John's	12.2%	85.1	0.00	-0.43	0.44
1117	Hamilton, Tommy 2	DePaul	12.1%	98.5	1.71	-1.07	2.83
1502	Mvouika, Ron 24	St. John's	12.0%	98.0	2.07	0.27	1.84
1186	Huff, Cole 13	Creighton	11.7%	105.5	2.11	-0.49	2.65
188	Groselle, Geoffrey 41	Creighton	11.5%	132.8	6.19	-1.08	7.42
1125	Booth, Phil 5	Villanova	11.4%	104.9	2.28	-0.56	2.81
134	Farr, James 2	Xavier	11.4%	120.9	4.78	-3.09	8.02
634	Sima, Yankuba 35	St. John's	11.3%	101.1	2.71	-1.85	4.65
814	Lewis, Tyler 1	Butler	10.7%	124.8	4.45	0.57	3.85
1992	Carter, Traci 21	Marquette	10.7%	88.6	0.00	-0.90	0.89
628	Cohen, Sandy 5	Marquette	10.7%	111.8	3.73	-0.87	4.68
1085	Derrickson, Marcus 24	Georgetown	10.2%	105.4	2.35	-0.51	2.92
844	Simpson, Aaron 15	DePaul	10.0%	111.7	3.62	-0.19	3.76

We also took the 8-person rotation from all 351 teams in order of possessions, and tallied the average Offensive Rating and Value Add for each of the 8-spots.

Rotation	Top 8 Poss/Gm	Off Rat	Off VA	Def VA	Value Add
1	22.6%	105.2	4.77	-0.62	5.42
2	17.9%	104.7	3.69	-0.65	4.42
3	15.0%	105.0	3.18	-0.50	3.77
4	12.6%	102.9	2.40	-0.28	2.78
5	10.6%	102.1	1.91	-0.18	2.21
6	8.8%	98.3	1.30	-0.08	1.54
7	7.1%	97.4	0.98	0.04	1.14
8	5.5%	95.1	0.70	0.21	0.78
R9-13	(4 players total)	86.4	1.06	2.07	0.00
Total	100.0%	102.7	20.00	0.00	22.06

Source: Only 3 BE Players Possess Ball More than Ellenson; Only 2 Have Higher Possessions AND Offensive Rating than Fischer

[Dawson Rental]

Six MU players listed, three are freshmen, including three of the top five.

[bilsu]

How is this calcualted? On a possession a team could have all five players touch the ball. I do not think that is what they are tracking, because a lot of players would be over 50%

[bamamarquettefan]

How is this calcualted? On a possession a team could have all five players touch the ball. I do not think that is what they are tracking, because a lot of players would be over 50%

yes, touches are not tallied - only touches that result in something. So if player the SG misses a shot, the SF grabbed the offensive rebound and throws it out to the PG who throws an alley oop assist to the C for a dunk then all four of those players would have one-quarter of a possession for that trip.

If a PG turns it over early in a possession then the whole possession is his.

[bilsu]

Than Ellenson's 10 rebounds a game are skewing the statisitcs and have little to do with the offense.