Bert vs McKay

[jesmu84]

McKay has 15pts, 2 reb at half.

ISU is winning 52-30.

[ecompt]

Nice to see the Buzzard getting blown out. Ahmed Hill I presume is hurt (hasn't played this season) and former MU recruit Satchel Pierce has scored five points in three games.

[We R Final Four]

Matt Thomas would have looked nice in blue and gold.

[rocket surgeon]

speaking of iowa state, deonte sitting out until semester end?  after finals, right? 

interesting article in iowa state daily-apologize if this has been posted-regarding ncaa and it's rules enforcement.  they bring NN into it.  i know NN has been discussed at length.  that's not my reason for posting this.  i only hope for the best for him and that he gets better. 

http://www.iowastatedaily.com/sports/article_5166831e-4ad4-11e5-a81e-3b7bca5ded21.html

[ChicosBailBonds]

Who won?

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Who won?

Iowa State by 22. McKay with 21. Nader with 16 and 11, that one's for HH32.

[GGGG]

Nice to see the Buzzard getting blown out. Ahmed Hill I presume is hurt (hasn't played this season) and former MU recruit Satchel Pierce has scored five points in three games.

Hill partially tore is patella tendon back in the summer and is out for the year. 

[jesmu84]

Who won?

So far, I'd say McKay

[keefe]

former MU recruit Satchel Pierce has scored five points in three games.

Thank God we dodged that bullet.

[Eldon]

I saw that this ISU was playing VTech and schadenfreude took over.  I was hoping that McKay would have a great night.  Good for him.

[GGGG]

Thank God we dodged that bullet.

We may not have.

[TedBaxter]

People siding with Jameel McKay when he left because his feelings were hurt after a public scrimmage?

I typically don't bag on players, but seeing the McKay family all donned in shirts with his likeness on it at the Madness scrimmage, only to see him leave the team a day later, was one of the more ridiculous things I've seen at Marquette.  Glad he's doing well at Iowa State, but frankly I never wondered about him as a Marquette player after that.

[keefe]

We may not have.

Pierce is better than we are seeing?

[GGGG]

Pierce is better than we are seeing?

I'm not sure how much better the guy is who is sitting on our bench.

[keefe]

I'm not sure how much better the guy is who is sitting on our bench.

I see your point. I think my frame of reference was our current 4-5 combo. Had Pierce stayed with MU he is likely on the bench and we don't sign Heldt.

[jsglow]

Matty?  He'll contribute here before he's done.  And in the meantime he'll be a great teammate and work his arse off in practice.

[Herman Cain]

People siding with Jameel McKay when he left because his feelings were hurt after a public scrimmage?

I typically don't bag on players, but seeing the McKay family all donned in shirts with his likeness on it at the Madness scrimmage, only to see him leave the team a day later, was one of the more ridiculous things I've seen at Marquette.  Glad he's doing well at Iowa State, but frankly I never wondered about him as a Marquette player after that.

Word is Jameel chafed at Buzz military precision schedules among other things. In this case I am glad he left . If McKay  stayed we probably would have had a better season that year and Buzz may not have left which would not have been a good thing.

Glad the kid found a good home at Iowa State and Buzz enjoying life at VPI

[willie warrior]

People siding with Jameel McKay when he left because his feelings were hurt after a public scrimmage?

I typically don't bag on players, but seeing the McKay family all donned in shirts with his likeness on it at the Madness scrimmage, only to see him leave the team a day later, was one of the more ridiculous things I've seen at Marquette.  Glad he's doing well at Iowa State, but frankly I never wondered about him as a Marquette player after that.

But people are still wondering about the buzzster.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Word is Jameel chafed at Buzz military precision schedules among other things. In this case I am glad he left . If McKay  stayed we probably would have had a better season that year and Buzz may not have left which would not have been a good thing.

Glad the kid found a good home at Iowa State and Buzz enjoying life at VPI

Buzz was gone either way. I met someone the other day who dated a former player. Buzz wasn't gonna be staying around.

[keefe]

Word is Jameel chafed at Buzz military precision schedules among other things.

Essentially McKay came to the conclusion that Bert is a strange f#ck

[warriorfred]

Essentially McKay came to the conclusion that Bert is a strange f#ck

Do you think Bert became more ridiculous/strange as time went on, or was he that way when he started coaching at Marquette?

[rocket surgeon]

Do you think Bert became more ridiculous/strange as time went on, or was he that way when he started coaching at Marquette?

i think he always had that in him, but as the honeymoon wore off and he was faced with a little more adversity, his "prayers" weren't always answered. you can only rely on that "first" story for so long.  it was touching and all, but now what have ya got?  buzz discovered that he wasn't the center of the universe anymore.  when God throws the occasional curve ball, ya gotta shorten up the swing.  honesty never fails

[wadesworld]

Do you think Bert became more ridiculous/strange as time went on, or was he that way when he started coaching at Marquette?

The mask came off as time went by, as it will at VT.

[jesmu84]

I'm still waiting for all the squirmy stories.

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

Matty?  He'll contribute here before he's done.  And in the meantime he'll be a great teammate and work his arse off in practice.

Agreed. He will be a big contributor down the line.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Do you think Bert became more ridiculous/strange as time went on, or was he that way when he started coaching at Marquette?

I stated how off the wall crazy he was before we even hired him, that from coaches and administrators from previous institutions.  I don't mean like "that dude is crazy"...I mean..."that dude is seriously CRAZY"....as in not all the circuitry connects properly.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

McKay may have played up for VT. Only 5 points on 2 of 6 shooting tonoght against Illinois.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Can't wait to read these posts about Wojo when he leaves

[Jay Bee]

Buzz has always been absolutely a strange cat. Is that necessarily bad? No.

I appreciated his weirdness in many respects.

[keefe]

Can't wait to read these posts about Wojo when he leaves

Didn't you read the posts immediately after the Iowa game?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Didn't you read the posts immediately after the Iowa game?

Ha. Good point

[Lennys Tap]

I stated how off the wall crazy he was before we even hired him

Really? You stated Buzz was off the wall crazy before we hired him? I think that's a lie. Or you insisting for years how much you liked him was a lie. At least one was a lie . Probably both. What new?

[rocket surgeon]

      nobody likes to be scorned-schmit, we didn't get a chance to throw buzz out ourselves, he did it before we could-heynie?  ya know, through it all, buzz was a great ride, but it was time to move on and i think he saw the writing

[warriorfred]

My perception is that Bert was a bit eccentric when he started and then added to the craziness as time went on and the pressure grew.  It seems like he dug a hole and kept going back to the same "ticks" when faced with adversity.

It is probably a good lesson, sometimes the skills/mannerisms that brought you success won't bring you continued success.  You have to develop new skills/processes.  In other words, Bert could not adapt.  Actually, it is kind of sad.

[wadesworld]

      nobody likes to be scorned-schmit, we didn't get a chance to throw buzz out ourselves, he did it before we could-heynie?  ya know, through it all, buzz was a great ride, but it was time to move on and i think he saw the writing

The administration made sure he couldn't miss the writing.

[SWARM!]

But people are still wondering about the buzzster.

I'd bet my life on the fact that Wojo won't sniff Buzz's success on the court, and to me that's the most important part of the job.  He burned too hot and was destined to flame out but to constantly act like he was bad for the program is so stupid and played.  Focus on ripping the guy we got who hasn't shown that he can coach at this level.

[wadesworld]

I'd bet my life on the fact that Wojo won't sniff Buzz's success on the court, and to me that's the most important part of the job.  He burned too hot and was destined to flame out but to constantly act like he was bad for the program is so stupid and played.  Focus on ripping the guy we got who hasn't shown that he can coach at this level.

Did you expect him to show he could coach in his first season ever coaching in which Bert left him a starting lineup of Derrick and Duane Wilson, Juan Anderson, Steve Taylor, and Deonte Burton? Thank God Wojo was able to go out and get a graduate transfer to trust him with his last season or we would've won about 6 games thanks to Bert last year. The overhaul in talent that Wojo has brought in in just his second year coaching is a minor miracle given where Bert left the program. Now we have a young program that is still figuring out what college basketball is and how to play together as a team.

I'll take your bet.

[PJDunn]

I like where Wojo seems to have the program headed, but Brent's 3 year run of sweet 16s and an elite 8 is the high water mark of the post-AL era (IMO).  We was a weird dude and we had some significant off the court issues under his watch, but that run was pretty nice.

[SWARM!]

Did you expect him to show he could coach in his first season ever coaching in which Bert left him a starting lineup of Derrick and Duane Wilson, Juan Anderson, Steve Taylor, and Deonte Burton? Thank God Wojo was able to go out and get a graduate transfer to trust him with his last season or we would've won about 6 games thanks to Bert last year. The overhaul in talent that Wojo has brought in in just his second year coaching is a minor miracle given where Bert left the program. Now we have a young program that is still figuring out what college basketball is and how to play together as a team.

I'll take your bet.

Lot of playing time to sell. We'll see what he gets when his own recruits are established. I hope I'm wrong about wojo but I sincerely doubt it.

[wadesworld]

Lot of playing time to sell. We'll see what he gets when his own recruits are established. I hope I'm wrong about wojo but I sincerely doubt it.

So the 2 top 100 players he has signed for next year's class without a lot of playing time to sell...?

[SWARM!]

So the 2 top 100 players he has signed for next year's class without a lot of playing time to sell...?

Good recruits, yes. I would still say he has playing time to sell them on. Ellenson will leave. Hauser is a local kid and Bailey won't be here for 3 years.  He's recruited very well early on. I'm not sold he can coach at this level or that his recruits will get us anywhere near the level buzz had us. Will be happy if I'm wrong.