Tom Brady beats the NFL

[GGGG]

His suspension has apparently been overturned.

Wonder if anything will happen to Goodell after this?  Really the guy has been the head of a lead that has had multiple PR gaffes over the past year and a half.  And was a fight against one of his allies.

[GGGG]

Apparently it was overturned on the issue if Brady can be suspended on the "integrity of the game" question.  It was ruled that he could not because it didn't apply to players.

[🏀]

NFL looking real bad, good.

[Chicos' Buzz Scandal Countdown]

Glad to see this... not that Brady didn't have something to do with messing with the equipment, but Goodell shouldn't be able to just multiply a penalty by 1000x to make some point. Very glad with this decision.

Also, big day for Michigan Wolverines between this and Harbaugh's debut

[brandx]

No surprise at all. I wrote on May 11th:

And for what it is worth, I don't believe Brady will serve the suspension. Methinks Goddell may have screwed the pooch again.


Goddell reminds me of Trump. He thinks things will be whatever he says they are gonna be. Alas, society doesn't work that way.

But, Goddell has been wrong so many times, I don't know why the owners would object now. He's actually a pretty good fall guy. As long as he keeps screwing up, the owners will never be blamed for anything (even though Goddell is doing their bidding).

The only difference now is that I have to presume he has lost the guy who may have been his biggest supporter - Robert Kraft.

[CTWarrior]

Glad to see this... not that Brady didn't have something to do with messing with the equipment, but Goodell shouldn't be able to just multiply a penalty by 1000x to make some point. Very glad with this decision.

Also, big day for Michigan Wolverines between this and Harbaugh's debut

Agreed, I'm comfortable that he was complicit in manipulating the balls and in covering up, but the penalty was excessive.  A fine and the implementation of a new policy to check the balls at halftime (and maybe postgame) would have been sufficient.

[tower912]

Yup.  $50k fine and a new policy and this becomes a non-issue.   Equating it to domestic violence and steroid use from a punitive standpoint is stupid.

[PBRme]

So does Brady make the Hall or is this his mark McGuire/Sammy Sosa moment.  Having the stench of Belicheat doesn't really help.

[tower912]

Brady is a shoo-in.    First ballot.    This will impact his legacy far less than Vicodin addiction and sexting affected Favre's legacy. 

[chapman]

Saints bounties, Ray Rice, Adrian Peterson, Greg Hardy, now this.  Five times the made-up penalties were reduced to align with precedent or nixed completely.  You know the owners are making bank when commissioners who constantly screw up and who players and fans despise have their jobs for life.

[GGGG]

So does Brady make the Hall or is this his mark McGuire/Sammy Sosa moment.  Having the stench of Belicheat doesn't really help.

Brady and Belicheck are sure fire, deserved, first-ballot HOFers.  Not even remotely questionable. 

[Tugg Speedman]

Apparently it was overturned on the issue if Brady can be suspended on the "integrity of the game" question.  It was ruled that he could not because it didn't apply to players.

Correct ....

The judge did not rule on deflated footballs and/or trying the cover up (i.e., throwing away mobile phones).  In fact he said very little about it.

Instead he ruled on the language and wording the collective bargaining agreement (CBA) and if the commissioner can rule and hand out punishment on these types of issues.

By saying no, he actually made a rather important ruling for labor/management and the wording of agreements and the ability of management to punish workers under those agreements.

Again, deflated footballs was not ruled on.  So one could argue that Brady is guilty and got away with it.

[brandx]

$ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $

Goddell screws the pooch big-time and what will happen?

$ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $

Bigger ratings for the opening night game NE vs. Pit. Even an idiot like Goddell can't stop the $$$$ rolling in.

[Chicos' Buzz Scandal Countdown]

So does Brady make the Hall or is this his mark McGuire/Sammy Sosa moment.  Having the stench of Belicheat doesn't really help.

This will be completely forgotten within two years. Several other QBs, including Rodgers, have done similar things with no penalty. This will be more attached to Goodell's legacy than anything to do with Brady's.

Nobody grows up wearing a Roger Goodell jersey.

[Chicos' Buzz Scandal Countdown]

Correct ....

The judge did not rule on deflated footballs and/or trying the cover up (i.e., throwing away mobile phones).  In fact he said very little about it.

Instead he ruled on the language and wording the collective bargaining agreement (CBA) and if the commissioner can rule and hand out punishment on these types of issues.

By saying no, he actually made a rather important ruling for labor/management and the wording of agreements and the ability of management to punish workers under those agreements.

Again, deflated footballs was not ruled on.  So one could argue that Brady is guilty and got away with it.

I think everyone knows Brady was guilty. The point is that it's supposed to be a 25k fine. That's it.

This is like going 5 miles over the speed limit and being sentenced to 6 months in jail. It's not about the crime, it's the effing ridiculous penalty goodell was trying to enforce.

[brandx]

This will be completely forgotten within two years. Several other QBs, including Rodgers, have done similar things with no penalty. This will be more attached to Goodell's legacy than anything to do with Brady's.

Nobody grows up wearing a Roger Goodell jersey.

Rodgers has not done something similar.

[4everwarriors]

Feel bad for Garoppolo. Had a chance to show what he's got. BTW, I think checkin' balls at halftime is a good thing, ai na?

[Tugg Speedman]

Rodgers has not done something similar.

He admitted to over-inflating his footballs, above the legal limit (as that is the way he likes them) and submitting them for inspection and hoping they would slip through.

[Chicos' Buzz Scandal Countdown]

Rodgers has not done something similar.

http://deadspin.com/aaron-rodgers-likes-to-tamper-with-footballs-too-1680676328


According to Simms, Rodgers admitted to them that he likes to over-inflate game balls. "I like to push the limits of how much air we can put in the football, even go over what they allow you to do," is what Simms recalls Rodgers telling them.

[GGGG]

I think everyone knows Brady was guilty.

No I don't think everyone knows that.  I think people suspect that he made it clear that he liked the balls to be softer, but did he "order" them to be inflated under the league minimum?  I doubt it.

Furthermore, were they even illegal when in use?  Remember that the initial reports on the number of deflated footballs were incorrect.  And the physics used in the Wells Report was almost universally panned as faulty from the beginning.

The NFL chose to take a stand on an issue that was clearly faulty.  They deserve this.

[GGGG]

He admitted to over-inflating his footballs, above the legal limit (as that is the way he likes them) and submitting them for inspection and hoping they would slip through.

OK...and?

I admit to driving above the speed limit and hope that the cops don't catch me.

[Chicos' Buzz Scandal Countdown]

OK...and?

I admit to driving above the speed limit and hope that the cops don't catch me.

Exactly. So what?

[Tugg Speedman]

OK...and?

I admit to driving above the speed limit and hope that the cops don't catch me.

Which means you admit to be a lawbreaker that has not been caught.

[Chicos' Buzz Scandal Countdown]

Which means you admit to be a lawbreaker that has not been caught.

And if he is caught, he would receive a penalty in line with established laws. The judge isn't able to just pull some wild sentence out of his ass.

[GGGG]

Which means you admit to be a lawbreaker that has not been caught.

Well I have.  Twice. 

Now tell me, in the wake of this ruling, what specific rule within the CBA did Rodgers violate? 

[Tugg Speedman]

Well I have.  Twice. 

Now tell me, in the wake of this ruling, what specific rule within the CBA did Rodgers violate?

He admitted to breaking the ball inflation rule.

[GGGG]

He admitted to breaking the ball inflation rule.

The ball inflation rule isn't part of the CBA.  Furthermore he doesn't inflate the footballs, nor does he (or any members of the Packer's staff) inflate them (or deflate them) after they pass inspection by the referees.

[MUsoxfan]

The ball inflation rule isn't part of the CBA.  Furthermore he doesn't inflate the footballs, nor does he (or any members of the Packer's staff) inflate them (or deflate them) after they pass inspection by the referees.

Exactly

[Chicos' Buzz Scandal Countdown]

The ball inflation rule isn't part of the CBA.  Furthermore he doesn't inflate the footballs, nor does he (or any members of the Packer's staff) inflate them (or deflate them) after they pass inspection by the referees.

I don't think anyone is defending Brady here.... or at least I'm not. But this isn't unprecedented. The Vikings were modifying balls with a header post-inspection.

http://espn.go.com/blog/minnesota-vikings/post/_/id/11218/nfl-aware-of-game-ball-incident-during-panthers-vikings

As both teams dealt with the freezing temperatures, Fox cameras showed sideline attendants using heaters to warm up game balls, which is against league rules. NFL vice president of officiating Dean Blandino said Monday morning on NFL Network that officials warned both the Vikings and Panthers not to heat up the balls during Sunday's game, and would remind teams this week not to heat game balls.

"You can't do anything with the footballs in terms of any artificial, whether you're heating them up, whether it's a regular game ball or kicking ball, you can't do anything to the football," Blandino said. "So that was noticed during the game, both teams were made aware of it during the game and we will certainly remind the clubs as we get into more cold weather games that you can't do anything with the football in terms of heating them up with those sideline heaters."

That seems to be in line with an appropriate response to a clear attempt and action to modify the balls post-inspection. They tried to SUSPEND BRADY 4 GAMES.... what?

[Tugg Speedman]

The ball inflation rule isn't part of the CBA.  Furthermore he doesn't inflate the footballs, nor does he (or any members of the Packer's staff) inflate them (or deflate them) after they pass inspection by the referees.

It's an NFL rule.

[brandx]

He admitted to over-inflating his footballs, above the legal limit (as that is the way he likes them) and submitting them for inspection and hoping they would slip through.

As I said, he has never done what what Brady is accused of doing. Period.

He has never said or intimated that he changed or tried to change the pressure in balls after they were inspected by the NFL.

You'll need to make up a different story next time.

[CTWarrior]

It's an NFL rule.

I have no dog in this fight, but there's a big difference between altering the footballs before they are inspected and after they are inspected.  In the former case you give the NFL the option of determining whether or not the footballs are legal.  In the latter case you are not.

Again, I don't know for sure, but I think Brady was complicit in the deflation, but the proposed NFL penalty was just way too excessive.  I'm a Jets fan and thus dislike Brady and the Pats, so that may color my opinion of his guilt.

[GGGG]

It's an NFL rule.

It is an NFL rule regarding equipment.  There is nothing in the CBA that mentions punishment for equipment violations that go beyond something enforced during a game.

That is why Brady was suspended under the "conduct detrimental" crap.  There was nothing else that applied.  And the judge saw through the leagues bullsh*t.

[mr.MUskie]

Feel bad for Garoppolo. Had a chance to show what he's got. BTW, I think checkin' balls at halftime is a good thing, ai na?

Gotta make sure your cup didn't slip out of place.

[Tugg Speedman]

It is an NFL rule regarding equipment.  There is nothing in the CBA that mentions punishment for equipment violations that go beyond something enforced during a game.

That is why Brady was suspended under the "conduct detrimental" crap.  There was nothing else that applied.  And the judge saw through the leagues bullsh*t.

Correct ...

Just like they also threw out Adrian Peterson and Ray Rice's suspensions.

Unless it is specifically stated in the CBA, the commissioner cannot do anything.  So other than performance enhancing drug violations, the commissioner cannot do much else.

[mu03eng]

He admitted to breaking the ball inflation rule.

He didn't break any rules.  He inflated the balls and then the officials inspect them to make sure than are within the allowed measurement band.  If the official thought they were in spec and they weren't, that's on the official.  If they were found to be out of spec the official would bring them into spec.  Brady is accused of conspiring to change the balls after inspection which has nothing to do with what a 3rd party said that Rodgers said. 

And what he was saying was that he over inflates so that when they test the bring them down to the league maximum.

Here's an analogy: Let's pretend every bar has a person that is mandated by law to administer a breathalyzer to anyone leaving the bar.  If you are below the limit you are allowed to drive your car.  If you are above the limit you have to wait until you are below to drive your car.

If I overdrink, but the legally mandated checker doesn't test me correctly, and I drive over the limit, is that my fault?

In this analogy, Brady is accused of having a drink outside of the bar after being tested and then pulled over as intoxicated.


Not a perfect analogy but I think it is a reasonable representation.

[Chicos' Buzz Scandal Countdown]

As I said, he has never done what what Brady is accused of doing. Period.

He has never said or intimated that he changed or tried to change the pressure in balls after they were inspected by the NFL.

You'll need to make up a different story next time.

See the Vikings example above.

Either way, the ball boys who tampered with the equipment have been fired.

[Pakuni]

He didn't break any rules.  He inflated the balls and then the officials inspect them to make sure than are within the allowed measurement band.  If the official thought they were in spec and they weren't, that's on the official.  If they were found to be out of spec the official would bring them into spec.  Brady is accused of conspiring to change the balls after inspection which has nothing to do with what a 3rd party said that Rodgers said. 

And what he was saying was that he over inflates so that when they test the bring them down to the league maximum.

Here's an analogy: Let's pretend every bar has a person that is mandated by law to administer a breathalyzer to anyone leaving the bar.  If you are below the limit you are allowed to drive your car.  If you are above the limit you have to wait until you are below to drive your car.

If I overdrink, but the legally mandated checker doesn't test me correctly, and I drive over the limit, is that my fault?

In this analogy, Brady is accused of having a drink outside of the bar after being tested and then pulled over as intoxicated.


Not a perfect analogy but I think it is a reasonable representation.

Isn't your argument here essentially "Rodgers didn't get caught, ergo he didn't cheat?"
If he knowingly inflated balls beyond what the rules allow, he broke the rules. It doesn't matter if the ref discovered the violation or not. A pass interference penalty that the ref missed is still pass  interference, right?

To use your drinking and driving example, if I go slam 12 beers in 90 minutes, jump in my car and somehow manage to get home safely, would you say I didn't drive under the influence? I mean, after all, the police didn't catch me, so it's on them, right?

For what it's worth, I don't care whether Rodgers or Brady messed with the balls or not.

[mu03eng]

Isn't your argument here essentially "Rodgers didn't get caught, ergo he didn't cheat?"
If he knowingly inflated balls beyond what the rules allow, he broke the rules. It doesn't matter if the ref discovered the violation or not. A pass interference penalty that the ref missed is still pass  interference, right?

Now we're getting into a realm of intent.  If I'm doing something to make sure it's at the max allowable, am I intending to break the rules?  What if he accidentally over inflates the ball, and they identify it, should he be punished?

To use your drinking and driving example, if I go slam 12 beers in 90 minutes, jump in my car and somehow manage to get home safely, would you say I didn't drive under the influence? I mean, after all, the police didn't catch me, so it's on them, right?

Admittedly this is exactly why the analogy doesn't work because of life and death nature of the choice. 

As far as rules, if an agency is enforcing them, they have the obligation to make sure everyone complies.  If they don't want anyone accidentally skating by then they should have punishment for the ball even testing above/below limit at check in.  Instead, check-in simply makes sure it's in compliance, if not it makes it compliant.

[Pakuni]

Now we're getting into a realm of intent.  If I'm doing something to make sure it's at the max allowable, am I intending to break the rules?  What if he accidentally over inflates the ball, and they identify it, should he be punished?

This is why I used the phrase "If he knowingly inflated balls beyond what the rules allow." So, we're not talking about an accidental over-inflation.
Here's what Rodgers reportedly said:
"‘I like to push the limit to how much air we can put in the football, even go over what they allow you to do and see if the officials take air out of it,"
So, he's admitting that he is inflating the ball beyond what the rules allow. thus, he's breaking the rules.
Again, this doesn't bother me. I think he and Brady are doing what QBs have been doing for decades.

As far as rules, if an agency is enforcing them, they have the obligation to make sure everyone complies.  If they don't want anyone accidentally skating by then they should have punishment for the ball even testing above/below limit at check in.  Instead, check-in simply makes sure it's in compliance, if not it makes it compliant.

But this is a separate argument. Whether or not a rule is broken isn't dependent on the level of effort that goes into enforcing the rule.

[brandx]

Isn't your argument here essentially "Rodgers didn't get caught, ergo he didn't cheat?"

There was nothing to catch.

I don't get why (not referring to you) that is hard to understand. Teams can set the air however they want with the footballs. The officials then check and make sure they comply with the rules. If not,  they correct it.

So there was never anything to get caught at.

[#UnleashSean]

Brady is a shoo-in.    First ballot.    This will impact his legacy far less than Vicodin addiction and sexting affected Favre's legacy.

Neither of those have anything to do with football though. I hate it when people bring in personal life issues with sporting legacy's. Babe Ruth was a womanizing drunk, but he hit the crap out the baseball. Guess which one I care about when I'm talking about baseball.

[GGGG]

Neither of those have anything to do with football though. I hate it when people bring in personal life issues with sporting legacy's. Babe Ruth was a womanizing drunk, but he hit the crap out the baseball. Guess which one I care about when I'm talking about baseball.

There is no proof he did anything.  And in many eyes this is going to make him look like a martyr. 

First ballot no question.

[Pakuni]

Neither of those have anything to do with football though. I hate it when people bring in personal life issues with sporting legacy's. Babe Ruth was a womanizing drunk, but he hit the crap out the baseball. Guess which one I care about when I'm talking about baseball.

Even if guilty, Brady's violation here is the football equivalent of George Brett getting busted for using too much pine tar on his bat.
Brett, who was less accomplished in his sport, was a first-ballot hall of famer with 98.1 percent of the vote.

[brandx]

Neither of those have anything to do with football though. I hate it when people bring in personal life issues with sporting legacy's. Babe Ruth was a womanizing drunk, but he hit the crap out the baseball. Guess which one I care about when I'm talking about baseball.

I don't know that I agree. Could Mickey Mantle have played if he wasn't drunk every day? Did he or Ruth or hundreds of other players, especially in earlier eras, actually play better because they drank and used that to deal with the daily pressures? I don't know the answer, so i'm just speculating.

[Chicos' Buzz Scandal Countdown]

I think it's a reach to call this "cheating." This is cheating like holding is cheating.

[Tugg Speedman]

He didn't break any rules.  He inflated the balls and then the officials inspect them to make sure than are within the allowed measurement band.  If the official thought they were in spec and they weren't, that's on the official.  If they were found to be out of spec the official would bring them into spec.  Brady is accused of conspiring to change the balls after inspection which has nothing to do with what a 3rd party said that Rodgers said. 

And what he was saying was that he over inflates so that when they test the bring them down to the league maximum.

Here's an analogy: Let's pretend every bar has a person that is mandated by law to administer a breathalyzer to anyone leaving the bar.  If you are below the limit you are allowed to drive your car.  If you are above the limit you have to wait until you are below to drive your car.

If I overdrink, but the legally mandated checker doesn't test me correctly, and I drive over the limit, is that my fault?

In this analogy, Brady is accused of having a drink outside of the bar after being tested and then pulled over as intoxicated.


Not a perfect analogy but I think it is a reasonable representation.

A better analogy is the global financial crisis.  All the banks were very open about what they were doing.  They knew they were on the line and maybe a little over it.  When the regulators looked, they made no effort to conceal what they were doing betting they would allow it.

So, no bank ever cheated, no one is too blame and you just shrug your shoulders and say "that's the way it is" when millions lost their jobs.

Sure the stakes were higher but the analogy is the same.

[GGGG]

A better analogy is the global financial crisis.  All the banks were very open about what they were doing.  They knew they were on the line and maybe a little over it.  When the regulators looked, they made no effort to conceal what they were doing betting they would allow it.

So, no bank ever cheated, no one is too blame and you just shrug your shoulders and say "that's the way it is" when millions lost their jobs.

Sure the stakes were higher but the analogy is the same.

Yes.  Aaron Rodgers stating that he likes to play with over-inflated footballs is just like the global financial crisis.

[Tugg Speedman]

Yes.  Aaron Rodgers stating that he likes to play with over-inflated footballs is just like the global financial crisis.

... and you think it is like drunk driving, which was the other example?

[GGGG]

... and you think it is like drunk driving, which was the other example?

Actually I said it was like speeding. 

[Tugg Speedman]

Actually I said it was like speeding.

I agree with you.  When you say you were speeding you are saying you broke the rules.

Rogers said he broke the rules.

[GGGG]

I agree with you.  When you say you were speeding you are saying you broke the rules.

Rogers said he broke the rules.

Fine.  But the Bears still suck.

[Tugg Speedman]

Fine.  But the Bears still suck.

Bears is just another way to say suck.  You're statement is redundant.

[brandx]

I agree with you.  When you say you were speeding you are saying you broke the rules.

Rogers said he broke the rules.

Please show us proof that he ever used an over-inflated ball in an NFL game.

That would be breaking the rules and you have yet to give proof. Repeating it often does not make it so.

[Chicos' Buzz Scandal Countdown]

Please show us proof that he ever used an over-inflated ball in an NFL game.

That would be breaking the rules and you have yet to give proof. Repeating it often does not make it so.

that would require a $3m investigation by the NFL.

[Tugg Speedman]

Please show us proof that he ever used an over-inflated ball in an NFL game.

That would be breaking the rules and you have yet to give proof. Repeating it often does not make it so.

He said so

[brandx]

He said so

Show me the quote.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

As my dad said, you could make a trained chimp commissioner of the NFL and he would make just as much money for the league. Goodell is a joke.

[Tugg Speedman]

Show me the quote.

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[mu03eng]

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As I know you are one to be hyperaccurate....that "quote" is a 3rd party attribution that Rodgers claimed to overinflate balls prior to inspection.  So:

-Rodgers is not quoted directly, so not a quote from him
-The quote in no way says he played with overinflated balls, simply that they were overinflated at the time of inspection

You are making a declarative and definitive statement based on hearsay and inference....hardly "proof" but thanks for playing 

[Chicos' Buzz Scandal Countdown]

As I know you are one to be hyperaccurate....that "quote" is a 3rd party attribution that Rodgers claimed to overinflate balls prior to inspection.  So:

-Rodgers is not quoted directly, so not a quote from him
-The quote in no way says he played with overinflated balls, simply that they were overinflated at the time of inspection

You are making a declarative and definitive statement based on hearsay and inference....hardly "proof" but thanks for playing 

I'd say this meets the accuracy threshold required for the Brady witch hunt.

[Tugg Speedman]

As I know you are one to be hyperaccurate....that "quote" is a 3rd party attribution that Rodgers claimed to overinflate balls prior to inspection.  So:

-Rodgers is not quoted directly, so not a quote from him
-The quote in no way says he played with overinflated balls, simply that they were overinflated at the time of inspection

You are making a declarative and definitive statement based on hearsay and inference....hardly "proof" but thanks for playing 

Is Rogers guilty now?

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/20/aaron-rodgers-likes-his-footballs-overinflated/

On his weekly radio show with ESPN Milwaukee, Rodgers confirmed that he prefers the balls to be overinflated, and that he doesn’t think there should be a maximum air pressure.

“It’s not an advantage when you have a football that’s inflated more than average air pressure. We’re not kicking these footballs,” Rodgers said, via Rob Demovsky of ESPN.com.

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And I guess Simms and Nantz are liars ...


Reiss notes that, during the November 30 game between the Packers and Patriots on CBS, Jim Nantz and Phil Simms discussed the preference by quarterback Aaron Rodgers for overinflated balls.

[brandx]

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Honesty is important, Heisenberg.

You can't go through life speaking as though you are writing a Faux News headline.

Aaron NEVER EVER said he played with an over-inflated football. Period!! To say otherwise is simply lying.

[Tugg Speedman]

Honesty is important, Heisenberg.

You can't go through life speaking as though you are writing a Faux News headline.

Aaron NEVER EVER said he played with an over-inflated football. Period!! To say otherwise is simply lying.

See two posts higher please.

[brandx]

Is Rogers guilty now?

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/20/aaron-rodgers-likes-his-footballs-overinflated/

On his weekly radio show with ESPN Milwaukee, Rodgers confirmed that he prefers the balls to be overinflated, and that he doesn’t think there should be a maximum air pressure.

“It’s not an advantage when you have a football that’s inflated more than average air pressure. We’re not kicking these footballs,” Rodgers said, via Rob Demovsky of ESPN.com.

--------------

And I guess Simms and Nantz are liars ...


Reiss notes that, during the November 30 game between the Packers and Patriots on CBS, Jim Nantz and Phil Simms discussed the preference by quarterback Aaron Rodgers for overinflated balls.

Again, you are using Fox tactics. For Aaron to have ACTUALLY USED an over inflated ball in a game, he would have had to have someone secretly inflate the balls after the officials checked them. You could just read what he said, but apparently you did that and yet you are still making things up.

I am asking you for proof that Aaron tampered with footballs after the officials checked them and declared them game ready. You said he did - now let's see the proof.

As I said, honesty is important.

[Tugg Speedman]

Again, you are using Fox tactics. For Aaron to have ACTUALLY USED an over inflated ball in a game, he would have had to have someone secretly inflate the balls after the officials checked them. You could just read what he said, but apparently you did that and yet you are still making things up.

I am asking you for proof that Aaron tampered with footballs after the officials checked them and declared them game ready. You said he did - now let's see the proof.

As I said, honesty is important.

He admitted he preferred illegal (over-inflated) balls. 
He said he tried to get illegal (over-inflated) balls pass the inspection.

He admitted motivate and intent.  That is enough to indict him, counselor.

Next would be to hire Ted Wells to investigate him.

[brandx]

He admitted he preferred illegal (over-inflated) balls. 
He said he tried to get illegal (over-inflated) balls pass the inspection.

He admitted motivate and intent.  That is enough to indict him, counselor.

Next would be to hire Ted Wells to investigate him.

"He admitted he preferred illegal (over-inflated) balls.
He said he tried to get illegal (over-inflated) balls pass the inspection."

That is not a violation of any rule. And it is third person hearsay. And we do not even know how he said what it is claimed he said.

And there has never been any allegation that he used an over inflated football in a game.

None.

Ever.

So why would Wells need to investigate?

Yet you take it and say he is a cheater. So take your lie and put it on the Fox website. At least there, no one will question you.

I am asking you for proof that Aaron tampered with footballs after the officials checked them and declared them game ready. You said he did - you are lying.

[Tugg Speedman]

"He admitted he preferred illegal (over-inflated) balls.
He said he tried to get illegal (over-inflated) balls pass the inspection."

That is not a violation of any rule. And it is third person hearsay. And we do not even know how he said what it is claimed he said.

And there has never been any allegation that he used an over inflated football in a game.

None.

Ever.

So why would Wells need to investigate?

Yet you take it and say he is a cheater. So take your lie and put it on the Fox website. At least there, no one will question you.

I am asking you for proof that Aaron tampered with footballs after the officials checked them and declared them game ready. You said he did - you are lying.

The allegation that Aaron Rogers used an illegal (over-inflated) balls came from ... wait for it .... Aaron Rogers on his ESPN Milwaukee radio show on January 20.

Why is that so hard to understand?

Look I get it, Rogers is special and allowed to brag about breaking the rules and no one cares whereas Brady is not and gets the book thrown at him.

[#UnleashSean]

"He admitted he preferred illegal (over-inflated) balls.
He said he tried to get illegal (over-inflated) balls pass the inspection."

That is not a violation of any rule. And it is third person hearsay. And we do not even know how he said what it is claimed he said.

And there has never been any allegation that he used an over inflated football in a game.

None.

Ever.

So why would Wells need to investigate?

Yet you take it and say he is a cheater. So take your lie and put it on the Fox website. At least there, no one will question you.

I am asking you for proof that Aaron tampered with footballs after the officials checked them and declared them game ready. You said he did - you are lying.

You are truly grasping at straws with all these technicalities. Both Rodgers and Brady are very good quarterbacks, why are you trying so hard to prove that Rodgers is morally better?

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You are truly grasping at straws with all these technicalities. Both Rodgers and Brady are very good quarterbacks, why are you trying so hard to prove that Rodgers is morally better?

I'm not.

But if someone says that Rodgers inflated footballs after the game officials checked them out, I would like to see evidence.

He has none.

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Let us once again turn to The Onion for it's healing powers

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I'm not.

But if someone says that Rodgers inflated footballs after the game officials checked them out, I would like to see evidence.

He has none.

Initially, no one accused Brady/Patriots of manipulating the balls after inspection.  That came later via the investigation.  All that was accused was Brady was using balls that "felt deflated." That was enough to investigate.

Rogers January 20 radio admission established motivate and intent to break the NFL rules on inflation.  So their is actually more justification to investigate Rogers than Brady the day after the Indy game.

Someone get Ted Wells on the phone!