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Re: Recruiting as of 10/15/20
« Reply #27775 on: October 30, 2020, 09:34:01 PM »
Yes, I think it can be alleviated in the transfer market...BUT only if they land one of the top transfers(or more). They can't just get transfers that are just guys/role players. That's not going to do them any good.

Can’t build a program relying on that.

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Re: Recruiting as of 10/15/20
« Reply #27776 on: October 30, 2020, 10:07:23 PM »
Can’t build a program relying on that.

Actually I think guys like Hoiberg and Musselman have shown that you can. I also think that if instant transfers  is passed, it becomes a lot easier to build a program that way.
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Re: Recruiting as of 10/15/20
« Reply #27777 on: October 30, 2020, 10:30:04 PM »
Can’t build a program relying on that.

As TAMU said, you can...I'm not talking grad transfers, but preferably 3 year guys. As long as they are some of the top talents on the market, you can a lot of times end up better off then bringing in a bunch of Freshman.
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Re: Recruiting as of 10/15/20
« Reply #27778 on: October 31, 2020, 07:36:05 AM »
You want the honest truth?? I'm not impressed. Now that's not to say that Stevie and Kam are terrible...on the contrary, they could well end up being very good college players. My bigger issue is their isn't a headline recruit in this class. That's worrisome to me. Now granted, it's a strange year, not being able to have in person visits etc, so I give the staff a bit of a mulligan for that. However, that hasn't stopped other programs from reeling in top recruits. For some reason, the staff seems to really struggle with this whole zoom recruiting world we are currently in. They also seemed to have lost their footing after Stan left and to be honest, seem to struggle some after that. When Jalen Warley eliminated MU early, I was concerned about not having a headliner in this class..then Kendall brown chose Baylor(I really thought MU was in a good spot with him), and that was kind of the nail in the coffin for me. Holmes going to freaking Dayton of all places really told me I was right, they have struggled. When you factor in with those 3 in particular, that they had all visited MU pre covid, and all ultimately ended up committing to schools they had never visited..That's very telling to me. You would have thought that at least with one of them, the fact that they had visited MU would be a HUGE advantage. It wasn't. Let's see if they can land Etienne(think he goes to Miami), or Aidoo or now Amzil. If they don't...EVERYONE should be concerned in my opinion.
im concerned NOW. It’s yr 7 for Wojo and MU is not projected as a ncaa tourney team. The past 2 seasons were flame-outs, and looking at ‘21 recruiting, nothing to brag about. Meanwhile, over in Madison, RED is coming off a conf title and is a projected F4 team this year. MU might be better this season than projected...similar to RED last year, but the fact it always seems to be a guessing game with Wojo is concerning, for sure.
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Re: Recruiting as of 10/15/20
« Reply #27779 on: October 31, 2020, 08:51:11 AM »
Go cheer for Bucky then.

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Re: Recruiting as of 10/15/20
« Reply #27780 on: October 31, 2020, 09:42:23 AM »
im concerned NOW. It’s yr 7 for Wojo and MU is not projected as a ncaa tourney team. The past 2 seasons were flame-outs, and looking at ‘21 recruiting, nothing to brag about. Meanwhile, over in Madison, RED is coming off a conf title and is a projected F4 team this year. MU might be better this season than projected...similar to RED last year, but the fact it always seems to be a guessing game with Wojo is concerning, for sure.

I think most bracketologies I have seen have us in the tournament, though just barely. Also not making the tournament in year 7 is irrelevant. All programs have up and down years and for most programs a down year means missing the tournament. The fact that we are projected to have a down year in year 7 doesn't mean anything. Now if you want to say "it's year 7 and we only have three tournament appearances, only 1 top 8 seed, no ncaat wins", that's a completely different and more valid argument.

That "final four projected" Bucky team (I think they are a potential F4 team, I wouldn't put them in the top 4), has 5 senior starters and their top bench player is a senior. In a normal year, all 6 of those guys would graduate and Bucky would be projected to miss the tournament next season. Up years, down years, all programs have them....Of course with the COVID bonus year Bucky will probably keep all 6 (its not like the NBA is waiting on any of them) and be great again next season.
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Re: Recruiting as of 10/15/20
« Reply #27781 on: October 31, 2020, 09:54:56 AM »
Go cheer for Bucky then.
Grow up. Most everyone, including the administration, is not sold on Wojo as a top level coach. Hopefully he gets there but all criticism is valid so far.

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Re: Recruiting as of 10/15/20
« Reply #27782 on: October 31, 2020, 09:59:19 AM »
I think most bracketologies I have seen have us in the tournament, though just barely. Also not making the tournament in year 7 is irrelevant. All programs have up and down years and for most programs a down year means missing the tournament. The fact that we are projected to have a down year in year 7 doesn't mean anything. Now if you want to say "it's year 7 and we only have three tournament appearances, only 1 top 8 seed, no ncaat wins", that's a completely different and more valid argument.

That "final four projected" Bucky team (I think they are a potential F4 team, I wouldn't put them in the top 4), has 5 senior starters and their top bench player is a senior. In a normal year, all 6 of those guys would graduate and Bucky would be projected to miss the tournament next season. Up years, down years, all programs have them....Of course with the COVID bonus year Bucky will probably keep all 6 (its not like the NBA is waiting on any of them) and be great again next season.

Interesting dynamic for them when it comes to recruiting and other programs in similar predicaments.  So many unkowns.  Think the transfer market will have a LOT of really talented kids in it for the 21-22 season
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Re: Recruiting as of 10/15/20
« Reply #27783 on: October 31, 2020, 10:12:21 AM »
Grow up. Most everyone, including the administration, is not sold on Wojo as a top level coach. Hopefully he gets there but all criticism is valid so far.
What does this have to do with the preseason success of Bucky??

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Re: Recruiting as of 10/15/20
« Reply #27784 on: October 31, 2020, 10:38:24 AM »
I think most bracketologies I have seen have us in the tournament, though just barely. Also not making the tournament in year 7 is irrelevant. All programs have up and down years and for most programs a down year means missing the tournament. The fact that we are projected to have a down year in year 7 doesn't mean anything. Now if you want to say "it's year 7 and we only have three tournament appearances, only 1 top 8 seed, no ncaat wins", that's a completely different and more valid argument.


I agree that one (1) season, whether it’s season 7 or 5 or 3, is mostly irrelevant. Crean had several disappointing seasons. Even Buzz had one. But when there’s little or no real success (as you point out, only 1 top 8 seed, and that top 8 seed was routed in the tourney) and “trajectory” is all you have to hang your hat on, steps back (from not very high points) deservedly draw greater criticism.

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Re: Recruiting as of 10/15/20
« Reply #27785 on: October 31, 2020, 11:35:22 AM »
Goal is National Championship

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Re: Recruiting as of 10/15/20
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Re: Recruiting as of 10/15/20
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Re: Recruiting as of 10/15/20
« Reply #27788 on: October 31, 2020, 12:22:10 PM »
What does this have to do with the preseason success of Bucky??
That's my point. Telling an MU fan to switch to UW is silly. We all love and support MU but to expect better is no reason to tell someone to switch loyalty.

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Re: Recruiting as of 10/15/20
« Reply #27789 on: October 31, 2020, 01:16:14 PM »
Hopefully this doesn't end up being much Aidoo about nothing.
Hopefully he bids the other 9 schools adieu...

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Re: Recruiting as of 10/15/20
« Reply #27790 on: October 31, 2020, 01:56:27 PM »
Local prospect Logan Landers committed to Kansas State. Was class of 21' then declassed to 22', but after committing he will stay in the class of 21'

Held offers from Kansas, Houston, Iowa, Miami, USC, Texas A&M

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Re: Recruiting as of 10/15/20
« Reply #27791 on: October 31, 2020, 02:33:14 PM »
That's my point. Telling an MU fan to switch to UW is silly. We all love and support MU but to expect better is no reason to tell someone to switch loyalty.
I question those people’s loyalty who come on here and tell us how great UW is going to be...and wishes we were more like Bucky.....but whatever...cheer for whomever you like.

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Re: Recruiting as of 10/15/20
« Reply #27792 on: October 31, 2020, 02:54:15 PM »
Hopefully this doesn't end up being much Aidoo about nothing.

Classic

Hopefully he bids the other 9 schools adieu...

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Re: Recruiting as of 10/15/20
« Reply #27793 on: October 31, 2020, 06:10:48 PM »
im concerned NOW. It’s yr 7 for Wojo and MU is not projected as a ncaa tourney team. The past 2 seasons were flame-outs, and looking at ‘21 recruiting, nothing to brag about. Meanwhile, over in Madison, RED is coming off a conf title and is a projected F4 team this year. MU might be better this season than projected...similar to RED last year, but the fact it always seems to be a guessing game with Wojo is concerning, for sure.
Why be concerned now? For the great overwhelming majority of posters on this board, they have either continued to drink the wojo kool aid whine or settled into their comfortable Wojo complacency. The guy ain't the answer and I suspect most already know it by now  but they cannot face the truth. As Jack Nicholson once said to the slackjaw Cruise, "You can't handle the truth!"
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Re: Recruiting as of 10/15/20
« Reply #27794 on: October 31, 2020, 06:16:06 PM »
Why be concerned now? For the great overwhelming majority of posters on this board, they have either continued to drink the wojo kool aid whine or settled into their comfortable Wojo complacency. The guy ain't the answer and I suspect most already know it by now  but they cannot face the truth. As Jack Nicholson once said to the slackjaw Cruise, "You can't handle the truth!"

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Re: Recruiting as of 10/15/20
« Reply #27795 on: October 31, 2020, 06:32:36 PM »
Col. Jessup ended up in jail

I’m sensing a theme today.
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Re: Recruiting as of 10/15/20
« Reply #27796 on: November 01, 2020, 08:30:10 AM »
Col. Jessup ended up in jail

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Re: Recruiting as of 10/15/20
« Reply #27797 on: November 01, 2020, 11:35:43 AM »
There is a Scooper who now will be known by this name forever, given that he officially flew over the cuckoo's nest in another thread.

I'm sorry, but that doesn't narrow things down very much.

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Re: Recruiting as of 10/15/20
« Reply #27798 on: November 01, 2020, 02:15:10 PM »
MU first program listed. That’s great news
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Re: Recruiting as of 10/15/20
« Reply #27799 on: November 01, 2020, 04:11:33 PM »
MU first program listed. That’s great news

Why?