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« on: July 02, 2015, 11:54:16 AM »
I'm sure this has been debated before on here, but with all the MU guys getting paid in the NBA, it got me thinking about which MU grads have had the best NBA careers.  Here's my ranking:

1) Dwanye Wade (2004-present)
Titles, awards, highlights, and soon to be over 20k in points

2) Maurice Lucas (1975-1988)
First round NBA pick by the Bulls, but got his start in the ABA. Even after the merger he was a 4x NBA all-star, All-NBA and All-NBA Defensive Team selection, and a double-double machine. 

3) Doc Rivers (1984-1996)
Made one all-star game, scored double figures and 59th on the NBA career assists leaderboard. Great defensive player as well.  Coaching success gives him the tie-breaker over some others.   

4) Jim Chones (1973-1982)
Another big man who came close to averaging a double-double for his career. Won a title with the Lakers.  Paved the way for early-entrants. 

5) Jimmy Butler (2012-present)
Just got paid after making his first all-star game and second All-NBA Defensive Team.  If he maintains his expanded offensive repertoire he'll soon be higher on this list.

6) Don Kojis (1964-1975)
High volume scorer who made two all-star games for the NBA's San Diego Rockets.  Didn't do much else on the stat sheet.

7) Wesley Matthews (2010-present)
Prototype of a modern 3 and D wing.  Currently top-50 all time for career 3 point percentage. Potentially an all-star on a winning team.   

8) Jerome Whitehead (1979-1989)
Long career as a reserve big-man, but had some nice years with San Diego and Golden State in the early '80s. 

9) Steve Novak (2007-present)
Nice long career for a guy who can do exactly one thing on an NBA level.  Eight on the list of active career 3pt shooting percentage. 

10) Dean Meminger (1972-1977)
Solid role player that helped the Knicks to their last NBA championship team. 

Honorable Mention)

George Thompson (1970-1975)
Scoring guard who racked up some points in the ABA on his way to three ABA all-star games and played one year with the Bucks.

Tony Smith (1991-2001)
Role player on some good Lakers teams in the early '90s. 

Jim McIlvaine (1995-2001)
Not much in the way of points, but he had two consecutive seasons averaging over 2 blocked shots per game.
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« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2015, 01:40:35 PM »
Jimmy is easily #2 in my book(Soon to be #1). I'd place Jae above Novak at the very least at this point. Doc also seems a bit high on the list for a player.

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« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2015, 01:42:24 PM »
Jimmy is easily #2 in my book(Soon to be #1). I'd place Jae above Novak at the very least at this point. Doc also seems a bit high on the list for a player.

jimmy soon to be number 1?  i don't see jimmy averaging 38 ppg in an nba finals anytime soon.  if he does, then maybe it'll even cross my mind for a millisecond.

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« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2015, 01:44:36 PM »
Who is Dwayne Wade?

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« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2015, 01:47:24 PM »
Who is Dwayne Wade?

My apologies, I knew the y went in a weird spot, I just picked the wrong one.
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« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2015, 02:37:48 PM »
My apologies, I knew the y went in a weird spot, I just picked the wrong one.

If this was edited, I'm pretty sure that's not the correct weird spot either...

1) Dwanye Wade (2004-present)
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« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2015, 02:46:20 PM »
I have not looked at their stats, but I think Thompson had a better career than Meminger assuming you are not excluding his ABA years.

Possible honorable mentions:

Larry McNeal at one point he held the record for shots made in a game without a miss
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« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2015, 02:54:50 PM »
If this was edited, I'm pretty sure that's not the correct weird spot either...


It hasn't been edited, you just were mistaken when calling me out.
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« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2015, 03:13:49 PM »
Jimmy is easily #2 in my book(Soon to be #1). I'd place Jae above Novak at the very least at this point. Doc also seems a bit high on the list for a player.

JFB is my favorite post-Wade player, but he needs to put on some rings on his fingers before he even enters that conversation.  Once that happens, he then needs to put the team on his back when winning a title, and finally, after recruiting the best player in the game to be on his team, teach that guy how to play like a winner.

If JFB does those things, then he will be a worthy #2.

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« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2015, 03:37:01 PM »
JFB is my favorite post-Wade player, but he needs to put on some rings on his fingers before he even enters that conversation.  Once that happens, he then needs to put the team on his back when winning a title, and finally, after recruiting the best player in the game to be on his team, teach that guy how to play like a winner.

If JFB does those things, then he will be a worthy #2.

Agreed. JFB has a lot of work to do to catch yDwane Wade.

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« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2015, 03:38:41 PM »
I have not looked at their stats, but I think Thomson had a better career than Meminger assuming you are not excluding his ABA years.

Possible honorable mentions:

Larry McNeal at one point he held the record for shots made in a game without a miss

I left Thompson off the list because he only played in the NBA one season and his numbers went down substantially. Dean showed up big for the 1973 Knicks in the playoffs.  Although I agree his numbers in the ABA are pretty impressive.  
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« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2015, 03:40:25 PM »
It hasn't been edited, you just were mistaken when calling me out.

Just checking... ;)
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« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2015, 06:18:34 PM »
Love Jim Mac but plenty of sites have his signing to the sonics as the beginning of the end of that team. Not sure he should get those praise

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« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2015, 07:32:40 PM »
Agreed. JFB has a lot of work to do to catch yDwane Wade.

Wade is an historically elite NBA player - top 30 all-time.

For anyone to even consider putting Jimmy ahead of Wade - now or in the future - is preposterous.

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« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2015, 07:40:45 PM »
Love Jim Mac but plenty of sites have his signing to the sonics as the beginning of the end of that team. Not sure he should get those praise

http://uproxx.com/dimemag/2008/07/draft-busts-bad-trades-bad-checks-what-was-your-teams-worst-move/

I can't blame that on Mac. He was a great backup center in the league that filed a very specific role of defensive stopper and shot blocker very well. The problem was that Seattle looked at his numbers from Washington off the bench and paid him based on protecting those numbers over starter minutes. Mac would have been foolish to pass on it, but Seattle was foolish to offer it with those expectations.

Mac is one of the best cautionary tales as to why fans and GMs shouldn't expect guys that excel in limited minutes to do the same when those minutes expand.
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« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2015, 10:12:37 PM »
I can't blame that on Mac. He was a great backup center in the league that filed a very specific role of defensive stopper and shot blocker very well. The problem was that Seattle looked at his numbers from Washington off the bench and paid him based on protecting those numbers over starter minutes. Mac would have been foolish to pass on it, but Seattle was foolish to offer it with those expectations.

Mac is one of the best cautionary tales as to why fans and GMs shouldn't expect guys that excel in limited minutes to do the same when those minutes expand.
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« Reply #16 on: July 02, 2015, 10:26:46 PM »
I'm sure this has been debated before on here, but with all the MU guys getting paid in the NBA, it got me thinking about which MU grads have had the best NBA careers.  Here's my ranking:

1) Dwanye Wade (2004-present)
Titles, awards, highlights, and soon to be over 20k in points

2) Maurice Lucas (1975-1988)
First round NBA pick by the Bulls, but got his start in the ABA. Even after the merger he was a 4x NBA all-star, All-NBA and All-NBA Defensive Team selection, and a double-double machine. 

3) Doc Rivers (1984-1996)
Made one all-star game, scored double figures and 59th on the NBA career assists leaderboard. Great defensive player as well.  Coaching success gives him the tie-breaker over some others.   

4) Jim Chones (1973-1982)
Another big man who came close to averaging a double-double for his career. Won a title with the Lakers.  Paved the way for early-entrants. 

5) Jimmy Butler (2012-present)
Just got paid after making his first all-star game and second All-NBA Defensive Team.  If he maintains his expanded offensive repertoire he'll soon be higher on this list.

6) Don Kojis (1964-1975)
High volume scorer who made two all-star games for the NBA's San Diego Rockets.  Didn't do much else on the stat sheet.

7) Wesley Matthews (2010-present)
Prototype of a modern 3 and D wing.  Currently top-50 all time for career 3 point percentage. Potentially an all-star on a winning team.   

8) Jerome Whitehead (1979-1989)
Long career as a reserve big-man, but had some nice years with San Diego and Golden State in the early '80s. 

9) Steve Novak (2007-present)
Nice long career for a guy who can do exactly one thing on an NBA level.  Eight on the list of active career 3pt shooting percentage. 

10) Dean Meminger (1972-1977)
Solid role player that helped the Knicks to their last NBA championship team. 

Honorable Mention)

George Thompson (1970-1975)
Scoring guard who racked up some points in the ABA on his way to three ABA all-star games and played one year with the Bucks.

Tony Smith (1991-2001)
Role player on some good Lakers teams in the early '90s. 

Jim McIlvaine (1995-2001)
Not much in the way of points, but he had two consecutive seasons averaging over 2 blocked shots per game.
Good list. Don Kojis may be under rated. He was a very athletic player, who was a hard working rebounder and scoring threat .  He also played at a time when there were less teams in the league so competition was tough .

I love Doc but I think he may be overrated. Was a solid NBA player . I guess when you consider his coaching success he deserves to be up there but based on playing  alone I would have him lower.
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« Reply #17 on: July 04, 2015, 04:30:27 AM »
I'm sure this has been debated before on here, but with all the MU guys getting paid in the NBA, it got me thinking about which MU grads have had the best NBA careers.  Here's my ranking:

1) Dwanye Wade (2004-present)
Titles, awards, highlights, and soon to be over 20k in points

2) Maurice Lucas (1975-1988)
First round NBA pick by the Bulls, but got his start in the ABA. Even after the merger he was a 4x NBA all-star, All-NBA and All-NBA Defensive Team selection, and a double-double machine. 

3) Doc Rivers (1984-1996)
Made one all-star game, scored double figures and 59th on the NBA career assists leaderboard. Great defensive player as well.  Coaching success gives him the tie-breaker over some others.   

4) Jim Chones (1973-1982)
Another big man who came close to averaging a double-double for his career. Won a title with the Lakers.  Paved the way for early-entrants. 

5) Jimmy Butler (2012-present)
Just got paid after making his first all-star game and second All-NBA Defensive Team.  If he maintains his expanded offensive repertoire he'll soon be higher on this list.

6) Don Kojis (1964-1975)
High volume scorer who made two all-star games for the NBA's San Diego Rockets.  Didn't do much else on the stat sheet.

7) Wesley Matthews (2010-present)
Prototype of a modern 3 and D wing.  Currently top-50 all time for career 3 point percentage. Potentially an all-star on a winning team.   

8) Jerome Whitehead (1979-1989)
Long career as a reserve big-man, but had some nice years with San Diego and Golden State in the early '80s. 

9) Steve Novak (2007-present)
Nice long career for a guy who can do exactly one thing on an NBA level.  Eight on the list of active career 3pt shooting percentage. 

10) Dean Meminger (1972-1977)
Solid role player that helped the Knicks to their last NBA championship team. 

Honorable Mention)

George Thompson (1970-1975)
Scoring guard who racked up some points in the ABA on his way to three ABA all-star games and played one year with the Bucks.

Tony Smith (1991-2001)
Role player on some good Lakers teams in the early '90s. 

Jim McIlvaine (1995-2001)
Not much in the way of points, but he had two consecutive seasons averaging over 2 blocked shots per game.

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« Reply #18 on: July 04, 2015, 05:22:46 AM »
Wade is an historically elite NBA player - top 30 all-time.

For anyone to even consider putting Jimmy ahead of Wade - now or in the future - is preposterous.

absolutely agree, at least until jfb runs out of fingers for the bling.  way way to early to tell, but just the fact that we are putting the two of them in the same sentence speaks volumes-let 'em rip jimmy.  the nba is all about timing and chemistry-will hoiberg be the answer?  do the bulls have the right people in the front office to put together a "miami heat" or michael jordanesque team today?  nothing wrong with coming in 2nd behind the D-man
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« Reply #19 on: July 04, 2015, 05:34:28 AM »
I'm sure this has been debated before on here, but with all the MU guys getting paid in the NBA, it got me thinking about which MU grads have had the best NBA careers.  Here's my ranking:

1) Dwanye Wade (2004-present)
Titles, awards, highlights, and soon to be over 20k in points

2) Maurice Lucas (1975-1988)
First round NBA pick by the Bulls, but got his start in the ABA. Even after the merger he was a 4x NBA all-star, All-NBA and All-NBA Defensive Team selection, and a double-double machine. 

3) Doc Rivers (1984-1996)
Made one all-star game, scored double figures and 59th on the NBA career assists leaderboard. Great defensive player as well.  Coaching success gives him the tie-breaker over some others.   

4) Jim Chones (1973-1982)
Another big man who came close to averaging a double-double for his career. Won a title with the Lakers.  Paved the way for early-entrants. 

5) Jimmy Butler (2012-present)
Just got paid after making his first all-star game and second All-NBA Defensive Team.  If he maintains his expanded offensive repertoire he'll soon be higher on this list.

6) Don Kojis (1964-1975)
High volume scorer who made two all-star games for the NBA's San Diego Rockets.  Didn't do much else on the stat sheet.

7) Wesley Matthews (2010-present)
Prototype of a modern 3 and D wing.  Currently top-50 all time for career 3 point percentage. Potentially an all-star on a winning team.   

8) Jerome Whitehead (1979-1989)
Long career as a reserve big-man, but had some nice years with San Diego and Golden State in the early '80s. 

9) Steve Novak (2007-present)
Nice long career for a guy who can do exactly one thing on an NBA level.  Eight on the list of active career 3pt shooting percentage. 

10) Dean Meminger (1972-1977)
Solid role player that helped the Knicks to their last NBA championship team. 

Honorable Mention)

George Thompson (1970-1975)
Scoring guard who racked up some points in the ABA on his way to three ABA all-star games and played one year with the Bucks.

Tony Smith (1991-2001)
Role player on some good Lakers teams in the early '90s. 

Jim McIlvaine (1995-2001)
Not much in the way of points, but he had two consecutive seasons averaging over 2 blocked shots per game.

We can quibble about who deserves to be up or down a spot or two, but this is a very representative list. Good job.

I agree with those who say it is unlikely that Jimmy will catch Wade, one of the top 50 players in NBA history.
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« Reply #20 on: July 04, 2015, 08:13:12 AM »
Jimmy will never catch DWade -- that will be Henry's job, when he eclipses Michael Jordan (after four years of record-setting performance and a couple national championships at Marquette).

By the time DWade and Jimmy retire, the top three should be those two and Maurice Lucas. Maurice had such an incredible career and my friends in Portland spoke extremely warmly of him. He was an incredible guy.

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« Reply #21 on: July 04, 2015, 12:50:10 PM »
Entertaining post. Maybe a quibble here or there but not bad. As a lifetime Celtic fan I'm hoping Jae climbs on this list.

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« Reply #22 on: July 04, 2015, 01:16:24 PM »
absolutely agree, at least until jfb runs out of fingers for the bling.  way way to early to tell, but just the fact that we are putting the two of them in the same sentence speaks volumes-let 'em rip jimmy.  the nba is all about timing and chemistry-will hoiberg be the answer?  do the bulls have the right people in the front office to put together a "miami heat" or michael jordanesque team today?  nothing wrong with coming in 2nd behind the D-man

that's the problem.  we shouldn't be putting the two of them in the same sentence.  it's not even close and it never will be.  hell, wade is still nearly as good of a player as butler and butler is in his prime while wade has never played worse and is only getting older.

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« Reply #23 on: July 04, 2015, 03:52:04 PM »
that's the problem.  we shouldn't be putting the two of them in the same sentence.  it's not even close and it never will be.  hell, wade is still nearly as good of a player as butler and butler is in his prime while wade has never played worse and is only getting older.

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« Reply #24 on: July 04, 2015, 04:04:11 PM »
Don Kojis IS UNDERRATED.

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« Reply #25 on: July 04, 2015, 04:09:59 PM »
Chris Crawford gets an honorable mention for 9 years and over 1500 points in the league.

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« Reply #26 on: July 04, 2015, 04:15:06 PM »
Agree on Kojis. I just posted a Cracked Sidewalks breakdown on all 37, and while Wade and Lucas are clearly 1 and 2, you can argue for any one of four players as No. 3. Rivers, Chones, Butler assuming his career has a natural progression from where he is as a 25-year-old, and Kojis.
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« Reply #27 on: July 04, 2015, 05:55:28 PM »
Love Jim Mac but plenty of sites have his signing to the sonics as the beginning of the end of that team.

The beginning of the end for the Sonics was when that idiot Howard Schultz bought them.

Schultz is absolutely one of the biggest pricks in Seattle.

http://deadspin.com/5907371/howard-schultz-gave-out-350-starbucks-gift-cards-an-insiders-notes-on-the-shabby-death-of-the-seattle-supersonics


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« Reply #28 on: July 04, 2015, 09:36:58 PM »
I can't blame that on Mac. He was a great backup center in the league that filed a very specific role of defensive stopper and shot blocker very well. The problem was that Seattle looked at his numbers from Washington off the bench and paid him based on protecting those numbers over starter minutes. Mac would have been foolish to pass on it, but Seattle was foolish to offer it with those expectations.

Mac is one of the best cautionary tales as to why fans and GMs shouldn't expect guys that excel in limited minutes to do the same when those minutes expand.

Likewise I agree - the fact that Mac was paid like he was one of the top players in the league doesn't mean he wasn't solid. The average salary at the time was 40% of what it was last year even before the new giant salaries ($2m ave vs $5m I believe). So guaranteeing him $33 million then would have been like guaranteeing a young player today $83 million total. Yeah, he wasn't that good - but he was a solid player who was able to contribute for a lot of year in the NBA which is pretty rare.

I could only find the team salaries from a couple of years after, but for perspective they guaranteed him more over the course of the contract than 19 of 29 teams were paying their whole roster each year.

 1. Los Angeles Clippers .... $24,493,625
 2. Toronto Raptors ......... $24,748,405
 3. Detroit Pistons ......... $24,876,625
 4. Vancouver Grizzlies ..... $25,637,110
 5. Milwaukee Bucks ......... $25,919,828
 6. Denver Nuggets .......... $26,518,960
 7. Cleveland Cavaliers ..... $26,677,290
 8. Boston Celtics .......... $26,800,500
 9. Charlotte Hornets ....... $27,006,013
10. Dallas Mavericks......... $27,268,948
11. Portland Trailblazers ... $27,786,719
12. Minnesota Timberwolves .. $27,787,780
13. Houston Rockets ......... $28,086,350
14. New Jersey Nets ......... $28,504,567
15. Utah Jazz ............... $28,505,442
16. Sacramento Kings ........ $30,046,350
17. Atlanta Hawks ........... $30,133,827
18. Philadelphia 76ers ...... $31,420,520
19. Golden State Warriors ... $32,856,469
20. Miami Heat .............. $34,641,186
21. Los Angeles Lakers ...... $36,304,083   
22. Phoenix Suns ............ $36,937,876
23. Seattle Sonics .......... $37,592,175
24. San Antonio Spurs ....... $38,846,163
25. Indiana Pacers .......... $39,162,273
26. Washington Wizards ...... $40,718,075
27. Orlando Magic ........... $43,954,299
28. New York Knicks ......... $53,974,881
29. Chicago Bulls ........... $61,330,670
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« Reply #29 on: July 05, 2015, 07:08:53 AM »
Jimmy is easily #2 in my book(Soon to be #1). I'd place Jae above Novak at the very least at this point. Doc also seems a bit high on the list for a player.


Not only do I agree that Jimmy is very, very unlikely to be #1, but I think he has a lot of work to do to get past Lucas.  Lucas as a damn good NBA player.

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« Reply #30 on: July 05, 2015, 07:24:17 AM »
Not only do I agree that Jimmy is very, very unlikely to be #1, but I think he has a lot of work to do to get past Lucas.  Lucas as a damn good NBA player.

I give Jimmy a ton of credit for getting where he is. From the last pick of the first round to sparsely used role-player to solid bench player to starter to all-star over the course of his 4 year career is incredible.

In order to pass Wade, however, he would have to keep on this upward trajectory. Wade spent most of his career as one of the top-10 players in the game.

In order to be on Wade's level, things he would have to do include regular all-star appearances, getting significant votes for regular season and playoff MVP awards, all-NBA and all-NBA defensive nods, and winning titles. He doesn't have to do everything on that list, but as mentioned before, Wade is an all-time great.

Maybe I'm still underselling Jimmy's ability to improve, but at some point he's going to reach his peak. Can he be the best player on a championship winning team? I don't believe so. To win titles, I think he'll have to be the Scottie Pippen (or admittedly Dwyane Wade or Maurice Lucas) to someone else's Michael Jordan/Lebron James/Bill Walton. If he does that stuff above, maybe he can equal Wade. To surpass him, he'll have to do all that while being the best player on his team. That's a tough ask. Maybe not impossible, this is Jimmy F'ing Butler we're talking about, but I have to imagine even JFB has his limits.
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« Reply #31 on: July 05, 2015, 11:16:07 AM »
I give Jimmy a ton of credit for getting where he is. From the last pick of the first round to sparsely used role-player to solid bench player to starter to all-star over the course of his 4 year career is incredible.

In order to pass Wade, however, he would have to keep on this upward trajectory. Wade spent most of his career as one of the top-10 players in the game.

In order to be on Wade's level, things he would have to do include regular all-star appearances, getting significant votes for regular season and playoff MVP awards, all-NBA and all-NBA defensive nods, and winning titles. He doesn't have to do everything on that list, but as mentioned before, Wade is an all-time great.

Maybe I'm still underselling Jimmy's ability to improve, but at some point he's going to reach his peak. Can he be the best player on a championship winning team? I don't believe so. To win titles, I think he'll have to be the Scottie Pippen (or admittedly Dwyane Wade or Maurice Lucas) to someone else's Michael Jordan/Lebron James/Bill Walton. If he does that stuff above, maybe he can equal Wade. To surpass him, he'll have to do all that while being the best player on his team. That's a tough ask. Maybe not impossible, this is Jimmy F'ing Butler we're talking about, but I have to imagine even JFB has his limits.

uhh, who was miami's mj in 2005-2006 if wade was pippen? wade averaged 27 ppg, 6 rpg, 7 apg, 2 spg, and 1 bpg while shooting 50% from the field in his third year in the NBA (jimmy is going into his 5th). shaq averaged 20 and 9 but was clearly not the dominant shaq of his lakers days that year. otherwise jayson williams and antoine walker averaged 12 a game. wade completely carried that team on his back, and he clearly had the ability to be the best player on a championship team.

in the finals wade averaged 37 ppg, 8 rpg, 4 apg, 3 spg, and 1 bpg while shooting 47% from the field. the next most productive player for the heat was shaq at 14 and 10.

after falling behind 2-0 in the series wade averaged 40 ppg, 8 rpg, 4 apg, 3 spg, and 1 bpg while shooting 51% from the floor in their 4 straight wins to win the title. it was one of the all time great performances and better than any even mj himself had. he was certainly no pippen.
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« Reply #32 on: July 05, 2015, 11:31:17 AM »

Not only do I agree that Jimmy is very, very unlikely to be #1, but I think he has a lot of work to do to get past Lucas.  Lucas as a damn good NBA player.
I agree with this. Lucas was a dominating force at Power Forward, at a time when the league had some of the greatest power forwards in its history. He brought all aspects to the game. Scoring, rebounding, defense with incredible leadership and toughness. It took a player the quality of D Wade to surpass him in my view.

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« Reply #33 on: July 05, 2015, 12:12:21 PM »
uhh, who was miami's mj in 2005-2006 if wade was pippen? wade averaged 27 ppg, 6 rpg, 7 apg, 2 spg, and 1 bpg while shooting 50% from the field in his third year in the NBA (jimmy is going into his 5th). shaq averaged 20 and 9 but was clearly not the dominant shaq of his lakers days that year. otherwise jayson williams and antoine walker averaged 12 a game. wade completely carried that team on his back, and he clearly had the ability to be the best player on a championship team.

in the finals wade averaged 37 ppg, 8 rpg, 4 apg, 3 spg, and 1 bpg while shooting 47% from the field. the next most productive player for the heat was shaq at 14 and 10.

after falling behind 2-0 in the series wade averaged 40 ppg, 8 rpg, 4 apg, 3 spg, and 1 bpg while shooting 51% from the floor in their 4 straight wins to win the title. it was one of the all time great performances and better than any even mj himself had. he was certainly no pippen.

Agreed.

Wade was the best player on a championship team and put yup one of the all-time great playoff performances - possibly the greatest ever.

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« Reply #34 on: July 05, 2015, 12:28:39 PM »
uhh, who was miami's mj in 2005-2006 if wade was pippen? wade averaged 27 ppg, 6 rpg, 7 apg, 2 spg, and 1 bpg while shooting 50% from the field in his third year in the NBA (jimmy is going into his 5th). shaq averaged 20 and 9 but was clearly not the dominant shaq of his lakers days that year. otherwise jayson williams and antoine walker averaged 12 a game. wade completely carried that team on his back, and he clearly had the ability to be the best player on a championship team.

in the finals wade averaged 37 ppg, 8 rpg, 4 apg, 3 spg, and 1 bpg while shooting 47% from the field. the next most productive player for the heat was shaq at 14 and 10.

after falling behind 2-0 in the series wade averaged 40 ppg, 8 rpg, 4 apg, 3 spg, and 1 bpg while shooting 51% from the floor in their 4 straight wins to win the title. it was one of the all time great performances and better than any even mj himself had. he was certainly no pippen.

In the Heat's last two wins, DW was the supporting player. There's nothing wrong with that, but my point was that for Jimmy to win titles, I feel that's the role he'll have to take. I don't think Jimmy is capable of being the best player on a championship team. That's not a knock on Wade, but a compliment to him, as Wade did do that.
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« Reply #35 on: July 05, 2015, 12:37:11 PM »
Chris Crawford gets an honorable mention for 9 years and over 1500 points in the league.

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« Reply #36 on: July 05, 2015, 12:41:09 PM »
I agree with this. Lucas was a dominating force at Power Forward, at a time when the league had some of the greatest power forwards in its history. He brought all aspects to the game. Scoring, rebounding, defense with incredible leadership and toughness. It took a player the quality of D Wade to surpass him in my view.



Luke played a pivotal role in defining the Power Forward position. The Enforcer was All F#cking Beef. There were very few as tough.






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« Reply #37 on: July 05, 2015, 12:59:14 PM »
Jimmy is easily #2 in my book(Soon to be #1). I'd place Jae above Novak at the very least at this point. Doc also seems a bit high on the list for a player.

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« Reply #38 on: July 08, 2015, 04:18:12 AM »
Favorite Player and Best Player can be totally separate.

If they weren't, then Chris Crawford would be at the top of this list.
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« Reply #39 on: July 08, 2015, 11:42:17 AM »
Chris Crawford gets an honorable mention for 9 years and over 1500 points in the league.

He was a surprisingly good pro who drove me crazy while he was at MU. He had so damn many made 3s waived off because he shuffled his feet after catching a pass - I used to pull my hair out watching the guy.

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« Reply #40 on: July 08, 2015, 12:10:22 PM »
Jimmy is easily #2 in my book(Soon to be #1). I'd place Jae above Novak at the very least at this point. Doc also seems a bit high on the list for a player.

You realize that Jimmys best season of 20 PPG so far is one that current people would use to say Wade is washed up? Correct?

I mean people say it after Wade just had the second best PER for SGs in the league....Jimmy position btw.
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« Reply #41 on: July 08, 2015, 09:04:24 PM »
He was a surprisingly good pro who drove me crazy while he was at MU. He had so damn many made 3s waived off because he shuffled his feet after catching a pass - I used to pull my hair out watching the guy.

maybe it wasn't such a surprise he was a good pro then?

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« Reply #42 on: July 09, 2015, 01:27:21 AM »
You realize that Jimmys best season of 20 PPG so far is one that current people would use to say Wade is washed up? Correct?

I mean people say it after Wade just had the second best PER for SGs in the league....Jimmy position btw.

Amen.

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« Reply #43 on: July 11, 2015, 03:24:49 PM »
William Earl Tatum (the black Jerry West) ?

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« Reply #44 on: July 12, 2015, 12:01:20 PM »
William Earl Tatum (the black Jerry West) ?

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« Reply #45 on: July 12, 2015, 12:06:23 PM »
My dad would always tell me stories about Lucas on the Blazers when I sent my acceptance letter to Marquette. The first words out of his mouth was "He was a bad dude." At the same time though off the court I heard he was a big teddy bear. Did Bill Walton really name his son after his personal enforcer?

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« Reply #46 on: July 12, 2015, 03:01:22 PM »
William Earl Tatum (the black Jerry West) ?
Tatum was the man back in the day.
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« Reply #47 on: July 12, 2015, 04:30:48 PM »
He was a surprisingly good pro who drove me crazy while he was at MU. He had so damn many made 3s waived off because he shuffled his feet after catching a pass - I used to pull my hair out watching the guy.

Looks like he made around $15mil as a pro.

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« Reply #48 on: July 12, 2015, 06:13:43 PM »
Love Jim Mac but plenty of sites have his signing to the sonics as the beginning of the end of that team. Not sure he should get those praise

http://uproxx.com/dimemag/2008/07/draft-busts-bad-trades-bad-checks-what-was-your-teams-worst-move/

Pay shouldn't reflect his ranking as a NBA player. Was he an adequate NBA center for multiple years? Yes. Not his fault the Sonics were dumb enough to pay him that much.

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« Reply #49 on: July 12, 2015, 06:59:16 PM »
Luke Walton is named for #20. Some people call me Maurice, the gangsta of love, ai na?
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