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Author Topic: the new "chicago way" is on it's way  (Read 4109 times)

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Re: the new "chicago way" is on it's way
« Reply #25 on: June 10, 2015, 08:43:10 AM »
7-2 decision

post election analysis said he wins anyway

Yeah, the SC got it right.  And you are correct that all legitimate canvasing after the fact showed that W did win FLA.  Pretty damn close.  That was wild.

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Re: the new "chicago way" is on it's way
« Reply #26 on: June 10, 2015, 08:45:17 AM »
7-2 decision


There were two decisions made by the court.  The 7-2 one was on the question of only recounting specific counties versus the whole state.  (The 7 said this was unconstitutional due to equal protection.)

There was a 5-4 vote on the December 12 deadline that the Florida Legislature established was appropriate, and that the Florida Supreme Court exceeded its authority by removing it for the sake of the recount.

So here is how it basically broke down...

Five justices (Rhenquist, Thomas, Scalia, Kennedy and O'Connor) said the recount in specific counties was unconstitutional but the December deadline as established by the state legislature was legitimate and therefore the Secretary of State could certify the votes.  Since there was no practical timeframe to do a statewide recount, this ended everything immediately and Bush won the state.

Two justicies (Breyer and Souter) agreed with the five above that the recounts in specific counties was unconstitutional, but felt that the Florida Supreme Court was right in suspending the deadline.  They wanted a state-wide recount.

Two justices (Ginsburg and Stevens) thought the recounts by specific counties was fine and that the Florida Supreme Court ruled correctly as well.

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Re: the new "chicago way" is on it's way
« Reply #27 on: June 10, 2015, 08:56:15 AM »

There were two decisions made by the court.  The 7-2 one was on the question of only recounting specific counties versus the whole state.  (The 7 said this was unconstitutional due to equal protection.)

There was a 5-4 vote on the December 12 deadline that the Florida Legislature established was appropriate, and that the Florida Supreme Court exceeded its authority by removing it for the sake of the recount.

So here is how it basically broke down...

Five justices (Rhenquist, Thomas, Scalia, Kennedy and O'Connor) said the recount in specific counties was unconstitutional but the December deadline as established by the state legislature was legitimate and therefore the Secretary of State could certify the votes.  Since there was no practical timeframe to do a statewide recount, this ended everything immediately and Bush won the state.

Two justicies (Breyer and Souter) agreed with the five above that the recounts in specific counties was unconstitutional, but felt that the Florida Supreme Court was right in suspending the deadline.  They wanted a state-wide recount.

Two justices (Ginsburg and Stevens) thought the recounts by specific counties was fine and that the Florida Supreme Court ruled correctly as well.

100% correct.  Solid analysis.  My memory is that we still faced the possibility of defecting electors when the electoral college voted.  I think I remember an Al Gore elector defecting in protest.

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Re: the new "chicago way" is on it's way
« Reply #28 on: June 10, 2015, 08:59:31 AM »

There were two decisions made by the court.  The 7-2 one was on the question of only recounting specific counties versus the whole state.  (The 7 said this was unconstitutional due to equal protection.)

There was a 5-4 vote on the December 12 deadline that the Florida Legislature established was appropriate, and that the Florida Supreme Court exceeded its authority by removing it for the sake of the recount.

So here is how it basically broke down...

Five justices (Rhenquist, Thomas, Scalia, Kennedy and O'Connor) said the recount in specific counties was unconstitutional but the December deadline as established by the state legislature was legitimate and therefore the Secretary of State could certify the votes.  Since there was no practical timeframe to do a statewide recount, this ended everything immediately and Bush won the state.

Two justicies (Breyer and Souter) agreed with the five above that the recounts in specific counties was unconstitutional, but felt that the Florida Supreme Court was right in suspending the deadline.  They wanted a state-wide recount.

Two justices (Ginsburg and Stevens) thought the recounts by specific counties was fine and that the Florida Supreme Court ruled correctly as well.

Correct.  7-2.  5-4.  Votes in Florida.   All said the same thing.

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Re: the new "chicago way" is on it's way
« Reply #29 on: June 10, 2015, 09:01:39 AM »
Yeah, the SC got it right.  And you are correct that all legitimate canvasing after the fact showed that W did win FLA.  Pretty damn close.  That was wild.

Yup, it was wild.

I've always enjoyed how people say the Scotus was bias, notice how that happens only when they lose.  The Florida Supreme Court wasn't bias....no no.  The 4 votes on Scotus wasn't bias...no no.


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Re: the new "chicago way" is on it's way
« Reply #30 on: June 10, 2015, 12:52:07 PM »
the HANGING CHAD-when i first heard that, i thought it was some well endowed dude and wondered what he had to do with the election.  then there were multiple HANGING CHADS and now it's like, cheezuz, no wonder florida has so many good looking, scantily clad babes running around ;D
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