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2 out of 3
« on: March 28, 2015, 10:44:47 PM »
ND gets its heart broken.

Stone takes his services 844 miles from Madtown.

Bucky makes the Final Four.

As schadenfreude goes, it wasn't a bad weekend.

But dang, Zona, you coulda made it beautiful!!
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Re: 2 out of 3
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2015, 10:59:51 PM »
That's not even close to how I see it.  I'd gadly trade Diamond to UW and ND in the FF for a Badger loss today and missing consecutive FF's.  I'd do so in a heartbeat.


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Re: 2 out of 3
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2015, 11:11:26 PM »
As long as Kentucky takes care of business next week, I can deal. Two UW-Madison Final Fours suck, but a NC would be unbearable.
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Re: 2 out of 3
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2015, 11:11:57 PM »
Don't really care that UW is in the final four. They're one of the top 4 teams. We knew that coming in. If they beat Kentucky, well....different story.
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Re: 2 out of 3
« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2015, 12:10:21 AM »
Just like some of you think MU grads who cheer for UW as well should give back their diplomas, I think MU fans who root against the Badgers and live in Wisconsin should be forced to move out of state.

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« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2015, 12:21:41 AM »
Just like some of you think MU grads who cheer for UW as well should give back their diplomas, I think MU fans who root against the Badgers and live in Wisconsin should be forced to move out of state.

That's the dumbest comparison I've ever heard.
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Re: 2 out of 3
« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2015, 12:30:17 AM »
Just like some of you think MU grads who cheer for UW as well should give back their diplomas, I think MU fans who root against the Badgers and live in Wisconsin should be forced to move out of state.

And in 2003 all UW fans who cheered against MU and live in Wisconsin should have been forced to move out of the state...right?

Does this apply to the Packers in the playoffs?  Brewers?  Bucks?   

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« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2015, 12:50:49 AM »
Just like some of you think MU grads who cheer for UW as well should give back their diplomas, I think MU fans who root against the Badgers and live in Wisconsin should be forced to move out of state.

This might be the dumbest thing I've read on this board. And that's no small feat.

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« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2015, 11:28:18 AM »
Just like some of you think MU grads who cheer for UW as well should give back their diplomas, I think MU fans who root against the Badgers and live in Wisconsin should be forced to move out of state.
Born and raised in MKE, moved away many, many years ago after graduating from MU. I spent 25 years in Atlanta and actually was able to "root for" both teams.  When I moved back to MKE 2 years ago I soon soured on UW mainly because of the fan base.  I can't believe all the Bucky backers that have no ties to the school (or frankly, any interest in basketball) that are buying up T-shirts and cheering on the team.  It's their right, but I find myself cheering against them now.

I told my non-UW alum friend (he graduated from the UW "system") to think about a Georgia Tech graduate being told they have to cheer a UGA team.  And of course there are countless examples throughout the country.

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« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2015, 11:40:44 AM »
You are not a true MU fan if you root for the Badgers!! It is that simple. 
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« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2015, 11:42:59 AM »
Just like some of you think MU grads who cheer for UW as well should give back their diplomas, I think MU fans who root against the Badgers and live in Wisconsin should be forced to move out of state.

Guess I'm moving then.   As I told my Badger friend last night, 10% of their fans care as much about basketball about as the average MU fan.  If you don't believe it, just ask. Most would gladly trade another Final Four for another Rose Bowl. And it leads to ridiculous arguments, such as most believe that Josh Gasser is a better overall basketball player than Vander Blue, which is insane.

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« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2015, 11:43:39 AM »
Born and raised in MKE, moved away many, many years ago after graduating from MU. I spent 25 years in Atlanta and actually was able to "root for" both teams.  When I moved back to MKE 2 years ago I soon soured on UW mainly because of the fan base.  I can't believe all the Bucky backers that have no ties to the school (or frankly, any interest in basketball) that are buying up T-shirts and cheering on the team.  It's their right, but I find myself cheering against them now.

I told my non-UW alum friend (he graduated from the UW "system") to think about a Georgia Tech graduate being told they have to cheer a UGA team.  And of course there are countless examples throughout the country.

That ended that conversation

EDIT: The bot changed "ain.a" to "right" !!!  What the hell?

It's mind-boggling to me that you guys find it mind-boggling that people who have no affiliation with UW root for the Badgers.  UW is the state's flagship school, their jerseys have "Wisconsin" on them, their mascot is the badger, which is the official state animal, etc.  

Every team in every sport has bandwagon fans.  The new-found Badger fans are showing Badger pride because the Badgers represent Wisconsin.  These "Wal-Mart fans" (more likely, "Kohl's fans," right?) are proud to be from Wisconsin and the Badgers are going to the FF, the SuperBowl of the sport, to represent the state.  This makes Wisconsinites proud.  Is this really that hard to understand?  

In Georgia, I'm sure there are PLENTY of Joe Plumber-types who root hard for UGA football, despite having never stepped foot on campus.  In fact, I bet UGA has boosters who never went to the school.  Why?  Because UGA represents not only UGA students and alums, but also the state of Georgia.
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« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2015, 12:06:20 PM »
Some of you actively hate the badgers more than you cheer for MU.

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« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2015, 12:12:27 PM »
Just like some of you think MU grads who cheer for UW as well should give back their diplomas, I think MU fans who root against the Badgers and live in Wisconsin should be forced to move out of state.

Thanks for the advice dad.  I think I'll pass.

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« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2015, 12:13:34 PM »
Some of you actively hate the badgers more than you cheer for MU.

I might be guilty of that, but getting lectured by chat room folks is certainly not going to change that.

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« Reply #15 on: March 29, 2015, 12:20:18 PM »
EDIT: The bot changed "ain.a" to "right" !!!  What the hell?

It's mind-boggling to me that you guys find it mind-boggling that people who have no affiliation with UW root for the Badgers.  UW is the state's flagship school, their jerseys have "Wisconsin" on them, their mascot is the badger, which is the official state animal, etc.  

Every team in every sport has bandwagon fans.  The new-found Badger fans are showing Badger pride because the Badgers represent Wisconsin.  These "Wal-Mart fans" (more likely, "Kohl's fans," right?) are proud to be from Wisconsin and the Badgers are going to the FF, the SuperBowl of the sport, to represent the state.  This makes Wisconsinites proud.  Is this really that hard to understand?  

In Georgia, I'm sure there are PLENTY of Joe Plumber-types who root hard for UGA football, despite having never stepped foot on campus.  In fact, I bet UGA has boosters who never went to the school.  Why?  Because UGA represents not only UGA students and alums, but also the state of Georgia.

Not hard to understand and it exists in provincial states like Wisconsin.  It doesn't exist at all here in California.  Too many people, too diverse, too many competing interests.  For a state like Ohio, Minnesota, Wisconsin, etc....it's a state identifier.   Totally get it....doesn't change one iota the dickness level of the fans.   Doesn't change them bashing the moms of recruits they didn't get.  Doesn't change any of the horsecrap racist nonsense with players wearing tattoos, etc, etc.

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« Reply #16 on: March 29, 2015, 12:22:37 PM »
Just like some of you think MU grads who cheer for UW as well should give back their diplomas, I think MU fans who root against the Badgers and live in Wisconsin should be forced to move out of state.

Ban me from living in Wisconsin? Is that a threat or a promise?

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« Reply #17 on: March 29, 2015, 12:22:43 PM »
Which leads to a tough Question to ask. Will the 15 year run that the badgers have trump the 15 year run Marquette had in the late 60s and 70s?

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« Reply #18 on: March 29, 2015, 12:23:30 PM »
Just like some of you think MU grads who cheer for UW as well should give back their diplomas, I think MU fans who root against the Badgers and live in Wisconsin should be forced to move out of state.

Thanks for the humor ;D

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« Reply #19 on: March 29, 2015, 12:26:28 PM »
I go to a few Badger football games a year.

Stories from visiting fans about how sh*tty Badger fans are to their guests are legendary.  Have followed the Badgers to a few away games (mostly Penn State) and have always been treated well.  Have hosted friends from PA in Madison and have been totally embarrassed by Badger a-holes.

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« Reply #20 on: March 29, 2015, 12:26:48 PM »
Not hard to understand and it exists in provincial states like Wisconsin.  It doesn't exist at all here in California.  Too many people, too diverse, too many competing interests.  For a state like Ohio, Minnesota, Wisconsin, etc....it's a state identifier.   Totally get it....doesn't change one iota the dickness level of the fans.   Doesn't change them bashing the moms of recruits they didn't get.  Doesn't change any of the horsecrap racist nonsense with players wearing tattoos, etc, etc.
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« Reply #21 on: March 29, 2015, 12:28:39 PM »
You are not a true MU fan if you root for the Badgers!! It is that simple. 
Amen! Clear and concise. And that goes double for ND.
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« Reply #22 on: March 29, 2015, 12:28:53 PM »
Furthermore the history of black players that don't look like the rest of the state makes a lot of the middle class in this state cheer against Marquette

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« Reply #23 on: March 29, 2015, 12:29:20 PM »
Amen! Clear and concise. And that goes double for ND.
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« Reply #24 on: March 29, 2015, 12:30:04 PM »
I go to a few Badger football games a year.

Stories from visiting fans about how sh*tty Badger fans are to their guests are legendary.  Have followed the Badgers to a few away games (mostly Penn State) and have always been treated well.  Have hosted friends from PA in Madison and have been totally embarrassed by Badger a-holes.

The real pity of this story is that you had to sit through that 4 hour nightmare that is college football, all without the benefits of easy alcohol access.


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« Reply #25 on: March 29, 2015, 12:31:38 PM »
Just think if it was Wisconsin vs. Notre Dame.  As a Marquette fan that would be very hard one to watch.

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« Reply #26 on: March 29, 2015, 12:33:05 PM »
Some of you actively hate the badgers more than you cheer for MU.

Agreed. It is sort of sad.

I don't actively root for UW, and honestly I enjoy watching them lose, but beyond that I really don't care. But I'm not a Sconny. The obsession some(most) big MU fans have with a Wisconsin is pathetic.
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« Reply #27 on: March 29, 2015, 12:33:56 PM »
The real pity of this story is that you had to sit through that 4 hour nightmare that is college football, all without the benefits of easy alcohol access.


Plenty before and after.  It's all good.

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« Reply #28 on: March 29, 2015, 12:34:33 PM »
Just think if it was Wisconsin vs. Notre Dame.  As a Marquette fan that would be very hard one to watch.

I know that poll was posted previously.  I think the "who do you like least" varies on:

1. where a person currently lives - those that are in WI tend to hate the Badgers more on Avg.

2. when did you graduate - those who graduated later don't have the same memory or animosity towards ND.  I graduated in 2000 and would say that I always had far more negative feelings about Louisville and Cincy.

Personally, I hate the Badgers most of all, which is why I apparently have to leave WI.


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« Reply #29 on: March 29, 2015, 12:35:02 PM »
If ND had won, I would have been rooting for a terrorist strike next weekend.   So.... go Kentucky!
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« Reply #30 on: March 29, 2015, 12:35:06 PM »
Furthermore the history of black players that don't look like the rest of the state makes a lot of the middle class in this state cheer against Marquette

Weren't you the genius/Chicken Little who posted this less than a week ago?

"Diamond going to Wisconsin is the final nail in the coffin for Marquette basketball.   4 years ago this team was headed to the stratosphere, than when Buzz left everything went to poop and UW is headed to back to back to back national championship with Stone, Decker, and Hayes, and than whoever else comes in after Decker leaves (Chances are they will be big time recruits that do not want to attend Marquette anymore)
Wojo better get to a final 4 and get to one fast before UW laps us again.   The fact that a city of Milwaukee kid of Color wants to play with UW shows how far we have fallen.
And in regards to Ellenson.  Everyone is telling me that he is overrated and will get beaten up when Diamond plays them.  
we are doomed.  Looks like I am going to start cheering for Iowa State"

........maybe you should lengthen that posting break of yours

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« Reply #31 on: March 29, 2015, 12:37:55 PM »
Weren't you the genius/Chicken Little who posted this less than a week ago?

"Diamond going to Wisconsin is the final nail in the coffin for Marquette basketball.   4 years ago this team was headed to the stratosphere, than when Buzz left everything went to poop and UW is headed to back to back to back national championship with Stone, Decker, and Hayes, and than whoever else comes in after Decker leaves (Chances are they will be big time recruits that do not want to attend Marquette anymore)
Wojo better get to a final 4 and get to one fast before UW laps us again.   The fact that a city of Milwaukee kid of Color wants to play with UW shows how far we have fallen.
And in regards to Ellenson.  Everyone is telling me that he is overrated and will get beaten up when Diamond plays them.  
we are doomed.  Looks like I am going to start cheering for Iowa State"

........maybe you should lengthen that posting break of yours

Well done. He better never live that one down.
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« Reply #32 on: March 29, 2015, 12:38:32 PM »
I go to a few Badger football games a year.

Stories from visiting fans about how sh*tty Badger fans are to their guests are legendary.  Have followed the Badgers to a few away games (mostly Penn State) and have always been treated well.  Have hosted friends from PA in Madison and have been totally embarrassed by Badger a-holes.

In 2011 they were rated in the top 15 worst fan bases in the country in all sports, pro or college.....worst in the Big Ten....and deserved every bit of it.  You can't take the dick out of Badger fans. 

http://thelantern.com/2011/10/wisconsin-badgers-fans-worst-in-the-big-ten/

They've made a number of rankings over the years.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/905155-college-football-2011-ranking-the-25-rudest-fanbases-in-the-nation

http://www.footballnation.com/content/worst-fans-college-football/13197/

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2011-03-18/sports/os-gqs-worst-sports-fans-in-america-20110318_1_gq-fan-bases-tops


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« Reply #33 on: March 29, 2015, 12:39:58 PM »
Not hard to understand and it exists in provincial states like Wisconsin.  It doesn't exist at all here in California.  Too many people, too diverse, too many competing interests.  For a state like Ohio, Minnesota, Wisconsin, etc....it's a state identifier.   Totally get it....doesn't change one iota the dickness level of the fans.   Doesn't change them bashing the moms of recruits they didn't get.  Doesn't change any of the horsecrap racist nonsense with players wearing tattoos, etc, etc.

Yes, this is true - I am from Oregon and grew up in the OSU/UO mosh, went to MU and bought into the vitriol with UW, live in California and no one really gives a rip.  We go to half of Cal's football games - UCLA, USC, even the big game - and folks are uber mellow.  They just want their pre-game barbecues and dirty martinis after.  Insofar as UW, it borders on the quasi-religious, even with the blessed iconography of a fury wood critter, and all the ritual to follow.  I realize that as an MU fan there's a hypocrisy in what I say, but I just get the feeling that it's a bit more "life and death" when it comes to the lot of Wisconsin athletics.  There's just nothing else going on.  

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« Reply #34 on: March 29, 2015, 12:41:04 PM »
........maybe you should lengthen that posting break of yours

That original diatribe aside, don't for a second think there's not a racial element at play. They were horrible when Buzz was beating them with all black guys and JUCOs.

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« Reply #35 on: March 29, 2015, 12:42:20 PM »
Just like some of you think MU grads who cheer for UW as well should give back their diplomas, I think MU fans who root against the Badgers and live in Wisconsin should be forced to move out of state.

That's a win win for me. Cheer against Wisconsin and go back to Illinois? Sign me up.

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« Reply #36 on: March 29, 2015, 12:43:11 PM »
Yes, this is true - I am from Oregon and grew up in the OSU/UO mosh, went to MU and bought into the vitriol with UW, live in California and no one really gives a rip.  We go to half of Cal's football games - UCLA, USC, even the big game - and folks are uber mellow.  They just want their pre-game barbecues and dirty martinis after.  Insofar as UW, it borders on the quasi-religious, even with the blessed iconography of a fury wood critter, and all the ritual to follow.  I realize that as an MU fan there's a hypocrisy in what I say, but I just get the feeling that it's a bit more "life and death" when it comes to the lot of Wisconsin athletics.  There's just nothing else going on.  

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« Reply #37 on: March 29, 2015, 12:44:37 PM »
It's how they define themselves.....their essence....their self-worth.

How do you know so many of my relatives, none of whom actually attended UW?

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« Reply #38 on: March 29, 2015, 12:45:48 PM »
That original diatribe aside, don't for a second think there's not a racial element at play. They were horrible when Buzz was beating them with all black guys and JUCOs.

Ohh I definitely agree that it does come into play.  No doubt.  I was just looking for an excuse to remind Kenosha of how moronic the majority of his posts are.

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« Reply #39 on: March 29, 2015, 01:02:06 PM »
How do you know so many of my relatives, none of whom actually attended UW?

 ;D

I've lived many years of my life in Ohio, Kansas, Indiana, Wisconsin....it's just how those states work.  The indoctrination starts the moment they are born.  When my son was born on the east side of Milwaukee I flat out told them don't you dare put any of that Wisconsin communist propaganda clothing on my son.  Don't even think it.  To which the nurse said, "good for you...someone who actually thinks and doesn't follow"...something to that extent.

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« Reply #40 on: March 29, 2015, 01:04:48 PM »
I graduated in '85 and the Vadgers were average at best during that time. Hardly anybody I went to MU with openly rooted for Becky. Fast forward to 1993 when Alvarez took them to the Rose Bowl and suddenly everyone is a Vadger fan. And nasty fans at that. Now year after year they become more and more arrogant and entitled, like football before 1993 didn't exist. Not to mention their behavior towards the families of any good hoops player from the state who doesn't choose to play there is shameful.

Personally, I'm glad I no longer live in Wisconsin.
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« Reply #41 on: March 29, 2015, 01:08:24 PM »
I graduated in '85 and the Vadgers were average at best during that time. Hardly anybody I went to MU with openly rooted for Becky. Fast forward to 1993 when Alvarez took them to the Rose Bowl and suddenly everyone is a Vadger fan. And nasty fans at that. Now year after year they become more and more arrogant and entitled, like football before 1993 didn't exist. Not to mention their behavior towards the families of any good hoops player from the state who doesn't choose to play there is shameful.

Personally, I'm glad I no longer live in Wisconsin.

No real surprise. Alvarez invented football in 1990 when he pioneered the sport at Wisconsin, just like Dick Bennett invented basketball 5 years later.
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Re: 2 out of 3
« Reply #42 on: March 29, 2015, 01:12:59 PM »
Well, I don't have to move. I live in New Jersey. Notre Dame nearly pulled it off. The weight of going undefeated and playing a team like UW might just be the achilles heal for Kentucky. I will be rooting for UW. They have a great team. I rooted for MU all season and watched every game. Guys, it's just a game.

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Re: 2 out of 3
« Reply #43 on: March 29, 2015, 01:46:49 PM »
You live in NJ you don't have to deal with them.  Text badger fans turned on stone so qquick many with thinly vailed racism

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Re: 2 out of 3
« Reply #44 on: March 29, 2015, 02:24:17 PM »
That original diatribe aside, don't for a second think there's not a racial element at play. They were horrible when Buzz was beating them with all black guys and JUCOs.

Sadly, our own ChicosBailBonds was more unbearable than any badger fan in this regard

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Re: 2 out of 3
« Reply #45 on: March 29, 2015, 03:32:20 PM »
It's how they define themselves.....their essence....their self-worth.

Yes. This. It's also bad with a lot of out state packer fans. Down in Milwaukee it's not as bad. More competing interests.

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Re: 2 out of 3
« Reply #46 on: March 29, 2015, 07:03:24 PM »
And in 2003 all UW fans who cheered against MU and live in Wisconsin should have been forced to move out of the state...right?

Does this apply to the Packers in the playoffs?  Brewers?  Bucks?   

You actually have a degree from Marquette?

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No...and after reading many many psosts from people on this board that do...I have to say I'm MUCH better off, if this is the type of "intelligence" a degree from MU gets you. It sure is on full display I will say that.

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Re: 2 out of 3
« Reply #47 on: March 30, 2015, 06:56:13 AM »
Some of you actively hate the badgers more than you cheer for MU.

Well, when Bucky is playing high-profile games and Marquette isn't -- which unfortunately is the case in these last two NCAA tournaments -- this is true.

Otherwise, no. In fact, if they both play on the same day during the season, I won't even know if Bucky won or lost unless I see it on SportsCenter or read it in the next day's newspaper. (Kids: Ask your parents what a newspaper is.)
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Re: 2 out of 3
« Reply #48 on: March 30, 2015, 08:48:52 AM »
All right guys, I hate Becky Badger too. But there's the facts:

1) Bo Ryan gets more out of less than any 10 coaches I know. His teams are disciplined, play within themselves and they are unselfish.

2) Dracula is a good recruiter who gets what he needs to be successful.

3) Kentucky is one of the best teams I've ever seen. They're up there with the Jordan/Worthy/Perkins North Carolina teams of the 1980s and the Walton UCLA teams of the early 1970s. I doubt seriously anyone can beat them. But if there is a team left who can do it, folks, it's Becky Badger. They play great defense, they give teams fits and they shoot well from the outside. Again, I have extreme doubts about whether Becky can do it, but if anyone can, Becky can.

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Re: 2 out of 3
« Reply #49 on: March 30, 2015, 08:50:54 AM »
Just like some of you think MU grads who cheer for UW as well should give back their diplomas, I think MU fans who root against the Badgers and live in Wisconsin should be forced to move out of state.

As long as Badger fans that root against Marquette agree to burn in hell, we have a deal.*

*Deal not valid if Hell doesn't actually exist.

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Re: 2 out of 3
« Reply #50 on: March 30, 2015, 09:26:38 AM »
Here's why as an MU alum living in Wisconsin you should NOT cheer for UW-Madison:  as a hardworking, over burdened taxpayer of the state of Wisconsin, why should I cheer for someone who takes my money involuntarily?   The only exception to that rule are protective services.   And yes, Marquette does get some money from the state, but MU only has the pointer finger up to the first knuckle in the WI taxpayer's pocket.  UW system, of which Madison is the biggest piglet suckling on the teat of the taxpayers, has the whole fist up to the elbow, nay, shoulder, in the WI taxpayer's pocket.   And for decency sake, put some pants on that rat.