Look to the left on this page, last place fellas!

[GGGG]

Anybody bitching about playing time allocation just needs to look at a few boxscores.  Everyone is playing plenty of minutes.

Really there is nothing Wojo can do that he isn't already trying.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Please remind me of recruits in Top 25-75 who haven't been good at MU?  Burton, JJJ, Duane, Luke all were in the 25-50 range by different services - all of them in Top 75 by any composite ratings.

And yes, Wojo and Buzz came to the same conclusion regarding PG playing time.  And both turned in crap coaching performances..

Erik Williams was number 67 consensus.

Junior Cadougan...I know some here loved him, I thought he was a good PG but not a great PG.  Not becoming of a top 50 recruit (consensus #47)

Jamail Jones...consensus #74....nothing more need be said.

[Blackhat]

Hiroshima manifestation.   St. Louis, no more Dick,etc.

It all came home to roost.

[willie warrior]

Anybody bitching about playing time allocation just needs to look at a few boxscores.  Everyone is playing plenty of minutes.

Really there is nothing Wojo can do that he isn't already trying.

Wrong again, Sultan. He can reduce Derrick's minutes and put Duane/Carlino to more minutes at PG, distributing those reduced minutes of Derrick's to Sandy and JJJ.

Really, there is something Wojo can do, and that is certainly one thing he "has not tried". Really, he can Sultan--recognize that.

[GGGG]

Wrong again, Sultan. He can reduce Derrick's minutes and put Duane/Carlino to more minutes at PG, distributing those reduced minutes of Derrick's to Sandy and JJJ.

Really, there is something Wojo can do, and that is certainly one thing he "has not tried". Really, he can Sultan--recognize that.

LOL...OK.

I mean I guess he could play Juan at point too.  Or how about Luke?

[willie warrior]

LOL...OK.

I mean I guess he could play Juan at point too.  Or how about Luke?

LMAO--Both Carlino and Duane can play the point. The others-no. Answer the question: What are you afraid of by trying reducing minutes of Derrick and giving more to Sandy and JJJ at the 2G, and playing Carlino/Duane at the point. Are you that enamored with the current performance?

The answer is either crickets, or it might show us something we had not considered. Somebody's ego might be bruised?

Now calm down.

[Lennys Tap]

Junior Cadougan...I know some here loved him, I thought he was a good PG but not a great PG.  Not becoming of a top 50 recruit (consensus #47)

Hate on Junior all you want, but I think he won more NCAA tournament games than any PG in Marquette history (Butch Lee was not a point guard). So either he's pretty good or Buzz was a genius.

[tower912]

Buzz was a genius.   IMO, the only one who could have made this year go well is in Blacksburg.   The class he would have brought in, in addition to a JUCO or two could have salvaged it.   Of course, it would have required that admin give him what he want in regards to admissions as well as him being willing to play young guys.   Neither of which were likely.   But, he decided to walk, so Wojo plays the team he has, not the team we wish he had.   IMO, Wojo has performed to my expectations of a first time head coach.   And his mixing of defenses gives me hope that he can grow beyond K's shadow.  

[GGGG]

LMAO--Both Carlino and Duane can play the point. The others-no. Answer the question: What are you afraid of by trying reducing minutes of Derrick and giving more to Sandy and JJJ at the 2G, and playing Carlino/Duane at the point. Are you that enamored with the current performance?

The answer is either crickets, or it might show us something we had not considered. Somebody's ego might be bruised?

That's not new.  Sandy and JJJ play a lot.  When they are hot, they stay on the floor.

Look, you and I agree this is an incomplete team and it is hard to judge Wojo accordingly.

[mu-rara]

Unless (maybe even if) Wojo whiffs on all four open scholarships next year will be better.

At this point I think he has earned the benefit of the doubt.

[tower912]

Am I the only one who remembers that KenPom projected MU to go 1-17 in the Big East after the loss to Omaha?    Prognosticators, stats...... the only ones who truly thought MU was going to succeed this year is Murf and some people on this board.   Time to face it.   The entire rest of the world was right.   

[willie warrior]

That's not new.  Sandy and JJJ play a lot.  When they are hot, they stay on the floor.

Look, you and I agree this is an incomplete team and it is hard to judge Wojo accordingly.

Yeah they stay on the floor for a few minutes but that does not eat into Derricks minutes. It eats into our only other offensive threat's minutes, Duane. And we still keep losing.
But you completely ignore the question. I'll put that down as crickets and bruised ego if it would  work to reduce Derrick's minutes. It sure as hell would not make it worse.

[g0lden3agle]

Am I the only one who remembers that KenPom projected MU to go 1-17 in the Big East after the loss to Omaha?    Prognosticators, stats...... the only ones who truly thought MU was going to succeed this year is Murf and some people on this board.   Time to face it.   The entire rest of the world was right.   

But Luke was going to fix everything!!!!

[mattyv1908]

But Luke was going to fix everything!!!!

He's really just the 6'10" version of JJJ that always gets a free pass for his poor play.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

And let's stop with all the talk of next year's recruiting class.  Virtually every poster here who continues to make excuses for Wojo has said all year long recruiting rankings don't matter.

This point has been addressed ad nasuem. Recruiting rankings matter. Actual on the court performance matters 100x more. Since we don't have any on the court performance to judge the 2015 class on, we rely on recruiting rankings. The 2013 class, we had an entire year of on the court performance to evaluate when Wojo took over. Guess what? It wasn't pretty.

[hairy worthen]

He's really just the 6'10" version of JJJ that always gets a free pass for his poor play.

And you are a Fischer bashing version of Ners who never gets criticized for your weak posts.

[GGGG]

This point has been addressed ad nasuem. Recruiting rankings matter. Actual on the court performance matters 100x more. Since we don't have any on the court performance to judge the 2015 class on, we rely on recruiting rankings. The 2013 class, we had an entire year of on the court performance to evaluate when Wojo took over. Guess what? It wasn't pretty.

We expected these guys to be like the Amigos, which was not a realistic expectation.  The biggest problem with last year's team was too many recruiting mistakes in the back court...and Vander turning pro.  

If Vander stays with the team AND either Jamail Jones, TJ Taylor or Jamal Ferguson pan out, last year's team would have been A LOT better.  The freshman would have been reduced to role players would IMO would have helped our expectations tremendously.

[Golden Avalanche]

Not placing any blame, but this really sucks. When the hell was the last time we were last?

Love my Warriors and this just pisses me off.

It's a bloody Valentine Day for us MU fans, thats for sure.

In a league where more than half the teams are not above .500 in conference play, being tied for ninth out of 10 teams somehow doesn't affect me one bit.

[thekahoona]

My prediction of 10-14 wins was based on a first time coach, new system, no returning height, no returning depth, no proven scoring, no one used to being the man at the college level.   Our experience isn't talented and our talent isn't experienced or proven.    Right now, a team without scoring has had to play without its one proven scorer.   

This season has been exactly what I expected.    Actually, I am pleased on one level because I wasn't expecting so many competitive losses against good teams.    I was expecting a lot more blowouts. 

Exactly.

[MU82]

This point has been addressed ad nasuem. Recruiting rankings matter. Actual on the court performance matters 100x more. Since we don't have any on the court performance to judge the 2015 class on, we rely on recruiting rankings. The 2013 class, we had an entire year of on the court performance to evaluate when Wojo took over. Guess what? It wasn't pretty.

Exactly.

Or is it Wojo's fault that Juan Anderson's four-year career doesn't reflect what a top-100 recruit should have been?

Gardner was ranked a zillion in high school but proved in college that he was good. Erik Williams was ranked high in high school but proved in college that he was no good. As soon as they have spent time in a college program, their high school rank matters little to none. When they are in HS, as the next crop of recruits still are, all we have to go on are the rankings.

Why is this such a difficult concept for some to grasp?

[NersEllenson]

This point has been addressed ad nasuem. Recruiting rankings matter. Actual on the court performance matters 100x more. Since we don't have any on the court performance to judge the 2015 class on, we rely on recruiting rankings. The 2013 class, we had an entire year of on the court performance to evaluate when Wojo took over. Guess what? It wasn't pretty.

I agree on court performance matters a ton to judge a player - which is why it is hard to eval a guy who gets 10-15 minutes per game every third game.   And was the 2013 class on court performance really "not pretty?"  Buzz greatly limited all of Burton, JJJ and Dawson last year.  So really, the data we had in the way of their on court capabilities was still limited.  Nonetheless,  Burton was good enough in 12 minutes per game to get All Big East freshman honors.  JJJ largely got an incomplete, yet most Top 30 recruits are not busts.  And Dawson, in his limited Big East playing time was performing on par with a 3-star recruit.  Actually, it could be argued Dawson's play in Big East was on the level of what Sandy Cohen has performed thus far - albeit Dawson's minutes were less, and role far more inconsistent than the consistent playing time Cohen has gotten.

But, I know you and others on your side of the aisle have your narrative - That the deck was so stacked against Wojo this year, that the 11-14 record and last place in the Big East is on par with what could be expected.

[willie warrior]

In a league where more than half the teams are not above .500 in conference play, being tied for ninth out of 10 teams somehow doesn't affect me one bit.

Ah yes--another excuse for our poor performance this year. There is nothing to be done about it, but we sure as hell should not be accepting of that performance by offering excuses.

Here is the main reason: The phony cowboy set the program back 3 years with his BS. Which I am sure that is why some to this day still slurp the dunderhead. Go figure!

[Dawson Rental]

That is one way to look at it. Another way: last year we were 9-9, this year 3-10. Going in the wrong direction. Yes, we sure as hell hope this will pass.

Many of your posts are like gallstones that I wish would pass...

[Dawson Rental]

No, you are only as good as what you have coming back.   If you are pinning your hopes on kids currently in high school in Wisconsin, a whole raft of them, all contributing immediately, you may get lucky, but you are more than likely whistling past the graveyard.   

Pro freshmen:  Seton Hall's first half of the year.

Con freshmen:  Seton Hall's second half of the year.

[willie warrior]

Many of your posts are like gallstones that I wish would pass...

As are yours!!!