MU not funding Arena up front

[4everwarriors]

Lotta bread to be made in these casinos, aina?

[Brewtown Andy]

It is 100% a bribe.

Having said that, its new leverage to go to the Potowantami and extort them for the same offer.  I don't think politically Walker can change his mind but he can go to the Potowantami and say....listen, donate $200 mil and the Kenosha deal is done forever.  The $200 mil is less than a year worth of profit from the Milwaukee casino.

I'd be fine with Poto just announcing any kind of contribution to the arena, given their potential legal challenge to the Kenosha casino.

[🏀]

It's alright Wisconsin, don't build the Kenosha Casino. Waukegan or Gurnee is excited to host a casino.

[hairy worthen]

Sigh

There is no such thing as free money....that's why it does take a brain.

Exactly,   that deal seems kind of squirmy aina. 

[MUfan12]

This is a non-starter, and will make passing Walker's plan more difficult.

[ChicosBailBonds]

It's alright Wisconsin, don't build the Kenosha Casino. Waukegan or Gurnee is excited to host a casino.

As bad of shape as Illinois is in.....have at it.

[mu03eng]

This is a non-starter, and will make passing Walker's plan more difficult.

This is my concern.  If Walker rejects this bid, and doesn't extract something from Poto....then Milwaukee city/county HAVE to put up a significant funding source or the whole thing falls apart.

The more I talk to people today, the more I think the Menomonee may have killed the Bucks in Milwaukee.  I'm no longer optimistic about this working out

[hairy worthen]

This is my concern.  If Walker rejects this bid, and doesn't extract something from Poto....then Milwaukee city/county HAVE to put up a significant funding source or the whole thing falls apart.

The more I talk to people today, the more I think the Menomonee may have killed the Bucks in Milwaukee.  I'm no longer optimistic about this working out

It will work out.  Why do you say the Menomonee proposal kills Walker's plan?  Not following you there.

I think there is enough momentum to get it done. The city and county should pony up something anyway. If they put nothing into it, they have less input about it going forward.

[MUfan12]

It will work out.  Why do you say the Menomonee proposal kills Walker's plan?  Not following you there.

I think there is enough momentum to get it done. The city and county should pony up something anyway. If they put nothing into it, they have less input about it going forward.

Other sources close to the Bucks expressed concern the overtime offer could also complicate the politics of getting state support for the arena approved. Governor Walker has proposed a $220 million plan that would use increased tax revenue to pay for revenue bonds.

Said one source close to negotiations over that budget deal: "Personally, I think this play at this time could actually kill the arena. There are a lot of Republicans very chapped about the casino decision and a lot of Republicans who really don't like the arena bailout. '

"Before this play these things were relatively separate items, and in the end I think folks would've been willing to choke down some form of the governor's arena proposal as the best way to do something they knew they had to do like it or not.   Now you have a nexus between the two issues, and it's real easy for a legislator to say, 'My plan for funding an arena is to approve the casino.  No public money.  No tax dollars.   No state on the hook.   That's a better plan than the gov's and I'm not voting for his.'"

http://www.rightwisconsin.com/perspectives/exclusive-menominee-casino-offer-likely-doa-291385131.html

[hairy worthen]

Other sources close to the Bucks expressed concern the overtime offer could also complicate the politics of getting state support for the arena approved. Governor Walker has proposed a $220 million plan that would use increased tax revenue to pay for revenue bonds.

Said one source close to negotiations over that budget deal: "Personally, I think this play at this time could actually kill the arena. There are a lot of Republicans very chapped about the casino decision and a lot of Republicans who really don't like the arena bailout. '

"Before this play these things were relatively separate items, and in the end I think folks would've been willing to choke down some form of the governor's arena proposal as the best way to do something they knew they had to do like it or not.   Now you have a nexus between the two issues, and it's real easy for a legislator to say, 'My plan for funding an arena is to approve the casino.  No public money.  No tax dollars.   No state on the hook.   That's a better plan than the gov's and I'm not voting for his.'"

http://www.rightwisconsin.com/perspectives/exclusive-menominee-casino-offer-likely-doa-291385131.html

Got it, thanks.

Hopefully Walker has enough political pull with in his party to persuade people his way. I can't see him essentially taking a bribe to fund the arena. He knows that would be used against him in his run for president

[mu03eng]

It will work out.  Why do you say the Menomonee proposal kills Walker's plan?  Not following you there.

I think there is enough momentum to get it done. The city and county should pony up something anyway. If they put nothing into it, they have less input about it going forward.

Essentially what MUfan12 just posted.

Legislature was having trouble choking down the $220 mil proposal from the governor and had all but said city and county have to pony up first before we consider.  Now with this "offer" they can say we don't want any taxes going to it because we have an alternative.

Also, not offering an opinion on it either way, but the presidential politics of this make it very difficult for Walker to reverse his decision.

So legislature says no to tax revenue and Walker doesn't reverse his decision....dead deal.

Personally, I think they only way this gets done now is if the Poto's pay.  That seems like a long shot because for some reason Walker doesn't want to play hardball with them.

[GGGG]

Other sources close to the Bucks expressed concern the overtime offer could also complicate the politics of getting state support for the arena approved. Governor Walker has proposed a $220 million plan that would use increased tax revenue to pay for revenue bonds.

Said one source close to negotiations over that budget deal: "Personally, I think this play at this time could actually kill the arena. There are a lot of Republicans very chapped about the casino decision and a lot of Republicans who really don't like the arena bailout. '

"Before this play these things were relatively separate items, and in the end I think folks would've been willing to choke down some form of the governor's arena proposal as the best way to do something they knew they had to do like it or not.   Now you have a nexus between the two issues, and it's real easy for a legislator to say, 'My plan for funding an arena is to approve the casino.  No public money.  No tax dollars.   No state on the hook.   That's a better plan than the gov's and I'm not voting for his.'"

http://www.rightwisconsin.com/perspectives/exclusive-menominee-casino-offer-likely-doa-291385131.html

Exactly, you have just given those opposed a legitimate reason to be opposed.  Remember many of these people are hearing from their constituents about K-12 and UW System cuts too.  You have just added an alternative revenue source (jock tax money that would have gone to the arena bond payments) that could be used to dampen some of those cuts without raising taxes.

Hopefully Walker has enough political pull with in his party to persuade people his way. I can't see him essentially taking a bribe to fund the arena. He knows that would be used against him in his run for president

Yeah this is one of the reasons it sucks to have a governor running for president.  It makes people question the reason why he or she makes the decisions they do.

[MUfan12]

Running for prez or not, Walker won't just accept something that reeks of a bribe.

The city/county will contribute, but their contribution will need to be framed the right way.

[4everwarriors]

Politically, Walker can't take the scratch.

[brandx]

Running for prez or not, Walker won't just accept something that reeks of a bribe.

The city/county will contribute, but their contribution will need to be framed the right way.

Politicians take bribes all the time. You think they make contributions cuz they like these guys? I'd rather see them take the deal than work things out in the back rooms.

That's a whole lot more crooked than what is proposed here.

[mu03eng]

Politicians take bribes all the time. You think they make contributions cuz they like these guys? I'd rather see them take the deal than work things out in the back rooms.

That's a whole lot more crooked than what is proposed here.

Then you don't get politics 

[jficke13]

Politicians take bribes all the time. You think they make contributions cuz they like these guys? I'd rather see them take the deal than work things out in the back rooms.

That's a whole lot more crooked than what is proposed here.

All politics is is bribery.

[ChicosBailBonds]

All politics is is bribery.

And someone gets arse raped as a result. 

[jficke13]

And someone gets arse raped as a result. 

Some body at an indeterminate date in the future. It's always somebody else's problem. Live in the moment.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Some body at an indeterminate date in the future. It's always somebody else's problem. Live in the moment.

I'd argue there is present day arse raping as well as future arse raping. 

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That seems like a long shot because for some reason Walker doesn't want to play hardball with them.

Because Walker's campaign coffers will directly be effected by Poto?

[mu03eng]

Because Walker's campaign coffers will directly be effected by Poto?

I'd be very hard pressed to imagine that Poto is funding any Walker campaigns at all, but anything is possible.  You would think that someone in the media would dig that story up.

[mu03eng]

NM

[mu-rara]

I'd be very hard pressed to imagine that Poto is funding any Walker campaigns at all, but anything is possible.  You would think that someone in the media would dig that story up.

JS supports Walker on the casino choice.

[GGGG]

I'd be very hard pressed to imagine that Poto is funding any Walker campaigns at all, but anything is possible.  You would think that someone in the media would dig that story up.

These days, it is pretty easy to hide where money is being spent and for whom.