Carlino 3-14

[wadesworld]

The two fast breaks killed us. DuWil going in 1=-on-2 and losing the ball and Derrick making the incredibly boneheaded decision to give the ball to Luke.

Yeah why would you ever pass the ball to your 6'11" big man running the floor in transition?  What an incredibly bonehead decision by Derrick, he's the one at fault there 

[hairy worthen]

Yeah why would you ever pass the ball to your 6'11" big man running the floor in transition?  What an incredibly bonehead decision by Derrick, he's the one at fault there 

No you re wrong here. He had duwil ahead on the break for an easy basket he didn't pass it instead held the ball too longb

[GGGG]

No you re wrong here. He had duwil ahead on the break for an easy basket he didn't pass it instead held the ball too longb

OK in this same thread, we have read that Derrick held the ball too long, or he didn't hold it long enough.

I thought getting the ball to the middle was what the right play.  Luke isn't like Otule out there.  He is agile and good enough with the ball to make the right decision.  And he didn't.

At least that is what I remember.  At this point I probably need to see it again.

[willie warrior]

OK in this same thread, we have read that Derrick held the ball too long, or he didn't hold it long enough.

I thought getting the ball to the middle was what the right play.  Luke isn't like Otule out there.  He is agile and good enough with the ball to make the right decision.  And he didn't.

At least that is what I remember.  At this point I probably need to see it again.

You are correct on that Sultan. Why wouldn't any guy pass it to a 6' 11" guy who was running the floor for the jam? It was the right play. It is unfortunate that the defender got there in time to win an academy award from the ref for his great acting flop. That should have been a no call. Home town referee cooking, there.

[GGGG]

willie that was about as easy a charging call as you can make.  Garrett was standing outside the circle, perfectly still, with plenty of time.

[ecompt]

Yeah why would you ever pass the ball to your 6'11" big man running the floor in transition?  What an incredibly bonehead decision by Derrick, he's the one at fault there 

If you have a 3 on 1 and the 1 is in the middle, who do you pass the ball into the middle? Derrick was nowhere near to fault for the loss (he played a very good first half and rebounded well) but if he keeps that ball we get a layup.

[muhoops1]

I can live with missed shots.  What disappointed me about Carlino was how careless he was with the ball.  How he'd hold it for 3/4 of the possesion and then go into panic mode.  Didn't see a lot of Senior leadership from him yesterday.  Was hoping he'd get the hook and Wojo would try Duane.

[Golden Avalanche]

I can live with missed shots.  What disappointed me about Carlino was how careless he was with the ball.  How he'd hold it for 3/4 of the possesion and then go into panic mode.  Didn't see a lot of Senior leadership from him yesterday.  Was hoping he'd get the hook and Wojo would try Duane.

Agree on both counts:

Carlino had many open looks in the first half, like the majority of Marquette against the worst defense played by a DI team arguably in history. He simply missed them. That's fine. Another night, he'll take the same open shots and finish 10 of 14.

What killed MU was suddenly around the 11 minute mark left in game they decided to faux stall offense which mostly relied upon Carlino dribbling in no man's land 35 feet from the hoop. This left it too easy for the Demons to collapse in and out of their double on Luke thus limiting Carlino's outlet to wings who couldn't shake a bowl of jello last night.

P.S. On the 3-on-1 break that turned into a terrible foul, I thought Derrick made a mistake not throwing an immediate outlet to Duane, however, once the mistake was made he chose the right option in dumping to Luke in middle. Problem became they were too deep into the lane and didn't allow Luke any room other than to barrel over the assistant coach's son.

[willie warrior]

willie that was about as easy a charging call as you can make.  Garrett was standing outside the circle, perfectly still, with plenty of time.

Wasn't that easy a call. The contact was a brush--it was a major flop. Easy to make a no call.

[GGGG]

Wasn't that easy a call. The contact was a brush--it was a major flop. Easy to make a no call.

The board largely disagrees with you...per usual.

[MU82]

The board largely disagrees with you...per usual.

It was the single most obvious charge I have seen this season as both a fan and a youth basketball ref. Garrett was standing there waiting for him and didn't even move a hair. Every ref at every level would have made the call.

[willie warrior]

The board largely disagrees with you...per usual.

Only in your mind Sultan do you think that everybody agrees with your intelligent insights, such as Otule was better than Gardner. We know that you are a legend in your mind. And of course, your analysis of the gamechanger. Everybody agrees with you on that too. And of course that Buzz was the greatest coach in MU history-of course everybody on this board agrees with you on that also.
Because your analysis is all that matters.

[tower912]

Willie, Otule was better than Gardner on the defensive end.   Buzz was the best coach at MU since Al.   Sultan has never said that Derrick is a gamechanger, he has said that he is the best option available.    Why the hate?

[mattyv1908]

Willie, Otule was better than Gardner on the defensive end.   Buzz was the best coach at MU since Al.   Sultan has never said that Derrick is a gamechanger, he has said that he is the best option available.    Why the hate?

I'd argue that making a final four, seeing Marquette from CUSA to the Big East, and leaving for one of the historical blue bloods rather than a basketball nobody gives the nod to Crean even though personally I liked Buzz way better.

[tower912]

I have nothing but appreciation for what Coach Crean did at MU.   The Final 4 was amazing.  Shepherding the team into the Big East was huge.   Props.    Buzz had 5 tourney appearances, 8 tourney wins, a Big East Championship, in 6 years.   Crean had 5 tourney appearances, 5 tourney wins, and a CUSA championship in 9 years.   I am not going to get into a big fight over this, but IMO the numbers favor Buzz. 

[Lennys Tap]

I'd argue that making a final four, seeing Marquette from CUSA to the Big East, and leaving for one of the historical blue bloods rather than a basketball nobody gives the nod to Crean even though personally I liked Buzz way better.

I couldn't care less where a coach goes after he leaves. It has zero to do with what he did for Marquette. Zero. Al McGuire never won another game after he left MU and I don't care about that either. When he was here, Buzz won a Big East title and finished 2nd once. Crean's best Big East season was a 4th place. Buzz made it past the first weekend in the NCAA 3 times in 6 years, Crean once in 9. Buzz won 8 NCAA tournament games in 6 seasons, Crean won 5 in 9 (4 of them in one year). I give Crean extra credit for the Final Four, but the program had much more sustained success under Buzz.