collapse

* Resources


UDM 4

* St. John's SOTG

No Stud when we lose.
2019-20 Season SoG Tally
Howard12
Anim2
Bailey2
Cain1
McEwen1

'18-19 * '17-18 * '16-17
'15-16 * '14-15 * '13-14
'12-13 * '11-12 * '10-11

* Big East Standings

* Recent Posts

Bailey declares for draft by TAMU Eagle
[Today at 03:44:43 PM]


Wojo's Instagram's Post by Loose Cannon
[Today at 03:40:47 PM]


Wojo to Duke odds by 4everDawson
[Today at 03:39:25 PM]


Warrior Scoop by Lennys Tap
[Today at 02:50:41 PM]


NM by GooooMarquette
[Today at 12:28:59 AM]

Please Register - It's FREE!

The absolute only thing required for this FREE registration is a valid e-mail address.  We keep all your information confidential and will NEVER give or sell it to anyone else.
Login to get rid of this box (and ads) , or register NOW!

* Next up: Seton Hall (BET) - CANCELLED

Marquette
86
Marquette vs

Seton Hall

Date/Time: CANCELLED
TV: NA
Schedule for 2019-20
St. John's
88

Author Topic: #20 Michigan State......  (Read 7424 times)

Nevada233

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 1113
#20 Michigan State......
« on: November 27, 2014, 10:00:32 PM »
How are they this year..... Do we stand a chance to pull an upset???
« Last Edit: November 27, 2014, 10:03:39 PM by Nevada233 »

nyg

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 6278
Re: Michigan State......
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2014, 10:02:53 PM »
Uh, yeah.  They are #20 in country and this game could be ugly. 

tower912

  • Registered User
  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 15859
Re: Michigan State......
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2014, 10:04:15 PM »
They are not deep, either, due to transfers, injuries and people getting kicked out.   But they still have Dawson, Trice, and Valentine, as well as a couple of interchangeable 6'10 guys.    No problem, mahn. 
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Nevada233

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 1113
Re: Michigan State......
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2014, 10:05:22 PM »
Uh, yeah.  They are #20 in country and this game could be ugly. 

Butler just beat #5 UNC.... Rankings especially this early in the season are not very accurate of how good a team is, but Michigan State is traditionally good and Matt Carlino playing Pete Maravich basketball is probably not gonna happen night in and out...

Nevada233

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 1113
Re: Michigan State......
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2014, 10:06:05 PM »
They are not deep, either, due to transfers, injuries and people getting kicked out.   But they still have Dawson, Trice, and Valentine, as well as a couple of interchangeable 6'10 guys.    No problem, mahn. 

They have a Dawson I heard he is the "Goods"....

PGsHeroes32

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 8829
Re: #20 Michigan State......
« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2014, 10:06:33 PM »
They probably hammer us.

Personally just hoping we keep it kinda like OSU game where at lead it never gets out of control.

I'm just happy we are in winners bracket.
Lazar picking up where the BIG 3 left off....

brewcity77

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 21169
  • Alan Bykowski
    • Cracked Sidewalks
Re: #20 Michigan State......
« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2014, 10:20:20 PM »
Michigan State, in my opinion, is ranked on reputation. They're still a tourney team, but probably in the 7-10 range rather than the top 4 lines they are used to.

Dawson is a stud, but sick. They aren't very deep either. Here's a write up I did on them for brewcityball:

http://www.brewcityball.com/forums/content.php?667-Marquette-s-Non-Conference-Schedule-Part-III-Orlando-Classic

Texas Western

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 1207
Re: #20 Michigan State......
« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2014, 10:44:05 PM »
Michigan State, in my opinion, is ranked on reputation. They're still a tourney team, but probably in the 7-10 range rather than the top 4 lines they are used to.

Dawson is a stud, but sick. They aren't very deep either. Here's a write up I did on them for brewcityball:

http://www.brewcityball.com/forums/content.php?667-Marquette-s-Non-Conference-Schedule-Part-III-Orlando-Classic
Good Analysis.

We have enough talent to beat Michigan State. It will require Deonte to step up and be a factor.

MU82

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 13787
Re: #20 Michigan State......
« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2014, 11:47:47 PM »
We need a fairly similar situation to what happened vs. Georgia Tech.

We need one or two (or three!) of our shooters to go wild from 3, we need to pack it in on D and hope they don't go off from 3, we need to outscore them from the FT line and we need to play extremely hard to come up with most 50/50 balls.

Oh, and it wouldn't hurt if we could get Georgia Tech coach Gregory to replace Izzo if that was a good representation of Gregory's ability to run a team.
"We have thrown 15 years of institutional learning out the window and are making decisions based on intuition."

-- Dr. James Lawler, former Bush and Obama infectious-disease adviser

TAMU Eagle

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 16937
  • A Reading from Wojo's 1st Slide to the Marquettens
Re: #20 Michigan State......
« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2014, 12:50:26 AM »
MSU is overatted at 20. That being said, they still probably crush us.
God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
The courage to change the things I can,
And the wisdom to know the difference.

~Prayer of the Scooper

VegasWarrior77

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 2300
Re: #20 Michigan State......
« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2014, 12:52:08 AM »
J.B. Bauer ‏@JBBauer612  3h3 hours ago
#mubb wins 72-70. They'll play Michigan St. tomorrow and 3 of the B1G's best in their first 8 games.
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." Albert Einstein

SuddenSam

  • Starter
  • ***
  • Posts: 195
Re: #20 Michigan State......
« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2014, 08:42:07 AM »
And the betting line is...?

Galway Eagle

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 6973
Re: #20 Michigan State......
« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2014, 08:43:38 AM »
Perhaps playing the Duke way could get us the win... I mean it worked for Duke.
“More the knowledge, lesser the ego. Lesser the knowledge, more the ego.” Albert Einstein a note for some posters

tower912

  • Registered User
  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 15859
Re: #20 Michigan State......
« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2014, 08:45:00 AM »
Good idea.   We will just use our all-world, 7'ft tall freshman center and his equally good freshman running mate to dominate the Spartans.   Oh......wait........
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

MUSF

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 1470
Re: #20 Michigan State......
« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2014, 09:10:22 AM »
We have no answer for Dawson.  If he is playing well, we have little to no chance.  Maybe if we get 48 from Carlino tonight...

brewcity77

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 21169
  • Alan Bykowski
    • Cracked Sidewalks
Re: #20 Michigan State......
« Reply #15 on: November 28, 2014, 09:15:16 AM »
We have no answer for Dawson.  If he is playing well, we have little to no chance.  Maybe if we get 48 from Carlino tonight...

FWIW, Dawson is sick. He missed Monday's game with illness and was limited to 3 points in 16 minutes last night.

Texas Western

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 1207
Re: #20 Michigan State......
« Reply #16 on: November 28, 2014, 09:17:20 AM »
A big game tonight will be needed by Deonte to pull off the upset. I think be has it in him.
« Last Edit: November 28, 2014, 04:56:17 PM by Texas Western »

VegasWarrior77

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 2300
Re: #20 Michigan State......
« Reply #17 on: November 28, 2014, 10:08:22 AM »
And the betting line is...?

MSU is favored by 13.5.  The Vegas consensus line opened there and hasn't moved.

#751-752
http://www.vegasinsider.com/college-basketball/odds/las-vegas/?s=900
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." Albert Einstein

Galway Eagle

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 6973
Re: #20 Michigan State......
« Reply #18 on: November 28, 2014, 10:28:29 AM »
Good idea.   We will just use our all-world, 7'ft tall freshman center and his equally good freshman running mate to dominate the Spartans.   Oh......wait........

That was what I was hoping for. 
“More the knowledge, lesser the ego. Lesser the knowledge, more the ego.” Albert Einstein a note for some posters

WayOfTheWarrior

  • Team Captain
  • ****
  • Posts: 264
Re: #20 Michigan State......
« Reply #19 on: November 28, 2014, 11:43:13 AM »
If we play 2-3 zone again, Trice will probably have a field day from the outside. Unlike GT, MSU actually can shoot the ball. We will have to get those long rebounds if they miss from outside, get in transition often, and get to the charity stripe early and often (maybe make a few too).

MUSF

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 1470
Re: #20 Michigan State......
« Reply #20 on: November 28, 2014, 11:51:13 AM »
Michigan State, in my opinion, is ranked on reputation. They're still a tourney team, but probably in the 7-10 range rather than the top 4 lines they are used to.

Dawson is a stud, but sick. They aren't very deep either. Here's a write up I did on them for brewcityball:

http://www.brewcityball.com/forums/content.php?667-Marquette-s-Non-Conference-Schedule-Part-III-Orlando-Classic

This may be true, but they are still significantly better than MU at this point in the season.  Dawson and Valentine are better than anybody we will have on the floor.  One could even argue that the same is true of Trice and Costello.  If MSU plays well and stays out of foul trouble, we are in for a double digit loss.

Jay Bee

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 7223
    • Late Night Hoops
Re: #20 Michigan State......
« Reply #21 on: November 28, 2014, 11:59:04 AM »
Dawson didn't look bad last night - I think he could have played more, but that game was a laugher.

Schilling is a very active o-reb, but doesn't get talked about much yet

Valentine does it all - very good passer at 6'5"

Trice shoots great vs weak teams, not as great vs good teams

Winnable

brewcity77

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 21169
  • Alan Bykowski
    • Cracked Sidewalks
Re: #20 Michigan State......
« Reply #22 on: November 28, 2014, 12:01:20 PM »
Not disagreeing. MSU is the better team and the trio of Dawson, Trice, and Valentine is as good as almost any in the country. That said, it's still our best chance at beating a ranked team in the non-conference. Especially if Dawson is less than 100%.

If they are at their best, they win. But if they aren't and we play well, keeping it close and maybe stealing one isn't impossible.

MikeDeanesDarkGlasses

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 1307
  • "Seat belts On! We're Going For A Ride!"
Re: #20 Michigan State......
« Reply #23 on: November 28, 2014, 12:02:38 PM »
What type of guards does Mich St. have?  Are they quick, slashers?  Jumpshooters?  

Jay Bee

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 7223
    • Late Night Hoops
Re: #20 Michigan State......
« Reply #24 on: November 28, 2014, 12:23:40 PM »
What type of guards does Mich St. have?  Are they quick, slashers?  Jumpshooters?  

Trice & Forbes tend to pop from 3. Valentine will do a little of everything - very dangerous passer - but none of their perimeter guys draw contact on the drive. None overly athletic.

They score a lot by passing the ball.

cheebs09

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 2539
Re: #20 Michigan State......
« Reply #25 on: November 28, 2014, 12:26:45 PM »
Trice & Forbes tend to pop from 3. Valentine will do a little of everything - very dangerous passer - but none of their perimeter guys draw contact on the drive. None overly athletic.

They score a lot by passing the ball.

I think this means we will go zone. With the way we gamble and seem to always be out of position on our man defense, they could shred us. Granted, they could still in a zone, but I thought we played much better defense last night in the zone.

MikeDeanesDarkGlasses

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 1307
  • "Seat belts On! We're Going For A Ride!"
Re: #20 Michigan State......
« Reply #26 on: November 28, 2014, 12:28:17 PM »
Trice & Forbes tend to pop from 3. Valentine will do a little of everything - very dangerous passer - but none of their perimeter guys draw contact on the drive. None overly athletic.

They score a lot by passing the ball.

That benefits MU then since we seem to be indefensible against quick guard play.  My guess is MSU will pound the ball inside for the mismatch, trying to draw defenders in and then routinely kick it out to the open wing for a 3 - if they're not abusing MU inside.  Otherwise, they'll just keep going down low.  But -If MU can hold them in the paint, and lose by less than 10 -that's a victory in my book.  

MU82

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 13787
Re: #20 Michigan State......
« Reply #27 on: November 28, 2014, 01:01:29 PM »
I think this means we will go zone. With the way we gamble and seem to always be out of position on our man defense, they could shred us. Granted, they could still in a zone, but I thought we played much better defense last night in the zone.

We need to go zone against any team that isn't crap. We are too small and we don't have few if any good man-to-man defenders. When we play a team that shoots it great from 3, we'll lose. But that's what we have to do. No defense can take away everything and I prefer to eliminate the kind of layup parade we saw against Ohio State and Omaha.
"We have thrown 15 years of institutional learning out the window and are making decisions based on intuition."

-- Dr. James Lawler, former Bush and Obama infectious-disease adviser

Loose Cannon

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 2740
  • Voltaire says Hi
Re: #20 Michigan State......
« Reply #28 on: November 28, 2014, 02:02:44 PM »


  Too much Talent
  Too much Height
  Too much Coaching

  But I'll try to focus on any improvement from last night.  No matter if its inches, baby steps, minutes, anything so long as there is a positive upward trend.  Not concerned with the final score, just the lessons we are learning.
" "The Two Most Important Days of Your Life are the Day You were Born, and the Day you Find Out Why."   M Twain