Otule

[mviale]

we could use Chris Grimm this year.

[Marquette84]

SJS/84----I think it's fair to say that a team OTule's team beats by 25 points is not one of the better teams on their schedule!

I don't think its fair to say that at all.  Did you actually check out the link I provided?  Or were you afraid of seeing the truth?

Apparently, Otule's team beat some pretty good competition.  Why do you have such a hard time giving them credit.

My point is that a 6' 10" guy with BE recruitment credentials and lining up against guys 6'5 or 6'6" (average height of a HS center) should get 25 ppg by default----and at least half of those on putbacks!

Since you know so much about Otule's competition, what are the names of the centers for Lamar and Stratford, and how tall were they exactly?

BTW, Greg Oden averaged 22 points his senior year in HS. 

That means that either Oden was a below-average player in HS, or your "default" number is a joke. 

[Mayor McCheese]

what I dont get, is we have people on this board that complains about never getting big guys, so we get a big guy, who gets a triple double with blocks, who cares about points, we have guys that score, the fact is the defensive presence down low, especially after this year when Burke and Barro leave, is terrible.  So we get this guy who is 6'10, and the people on this board who complain that we don't get bigs, but when we do, they still complain, I love MU hoops, but Greg Oden is not walking into our door.  I am excited for Otule, and the whole class of '08.

[BuzzSucksSucks]

I agree with that... By the way McCheese, how do you put your hat on?  Doesn't look like your arms reach all the way up there.

[Mayor McCheese]

I agree with that... By the way McCheese, how do you put your hat on?  Doesn't look like your arms reach all the way up there.

was born with it on... its also water proof for when I shower...

[Murffieus]

SJS/84----don't you think that Oden was capable of scoring 25 ppg, or 30 ppg, or 35 ppg in HS?----of course he was------but when you play with another NBA prospect you have to share the ball!

McCheese-----yea it's great to get a big guy----but does he have "BIG" time potential----let's wait and see how he does against the better teams on the schedule -----when a guy gets 10 blocks in a game he's either a superstar or he's playing against guys half his size!

BTW----what division does he play in? The best, worst, or somewhere in between?

[DAtruth]

people had predicted oden as the next "great" big man from the age of 15..i went to a lot of his games and there was never any1 near his size in h.s...he is only 1 of 8 true 7 footers in indiana h.s. b-ball in last 30 years..yet he didnt average double figures in rebounds ..which always amazed me!!! h.s. sr stats=20 pts 9.6 rbs 3.7 blks.... i like o'tules #'s now lets see some vids!!brad miller grew over 6 inches from h.s. graduation til the time he showed up to purdue..he still plays in the league

[mugrad99]

Portland has apparently told him to cut down on the weightlifting....he's gained 30 pounds of muscle since the NCAA championship game. 

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

----let's wait and see how he does against the better teams on the schedule

This is profound... and I recommend you follow your own advice.

Before you say that Otule should be averaging 25pts + ... please wait until you actually:

A. See him play (not news clips), but a whole game or games
B. Know something about his teammates and competition
C. See how he is being used and defended (do teams triple him, is he the first option on offense, is he playing a high post, etc.)

I don't think ANYBODY has proclaimed him as the next Shaq... but it is mildly exciting to hear of an MU recruit getting a triple-double... and yes, I do know Chris Grimm's stats were great... so I am aware that stats can be misleading... thus the term "mildly exciting"

Sheesh. Can't you let anybody have fun around here?

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

double post.

sorry.

[TVDirector]

agree with the excitement of bringing an agile big in here.
Grimm was stiff.
Amal was pretty fluid.
if Otule approaches what Amal developed into, sweeet for us.

a near 7 footer who can run the floor and block some shots will open up much for MU- whether he scores 7 or 17 pg.

can't wait!... but still will be patient!

[Murffieus]

You guys were all excited about Grimm too (as I recall he averged 20 ppg)----my analysis projected him as a project and that evaluation was 100% correct!

I'm not saying at this point that O Tule is a project-----need to know the classification of his team-----but as I say----when a guy gets 10 blocks in a single game, he's either a super star or he's playing against exceedingly weak competition !

[TVDirector]

uh, not me.
always saw him as a bit of a stiff better suited for lower d1.

maybe TC saw something different, but it was pretty obvious from the get go.
played decent d with fire at times, but ...

don't know who you think was so excited about Chris.

[NYWarrior]

we could use Chris Grimm this year.

why, not enough moving screens yet?

[Mayor McCheese]

You guys were all excited about Grimm too (as I recall he averged 20 ppg)----my analysis projected him as a project and that evaluation was 100% correct!

I'm not saying at this point that O Tule is a project-----need to know the classification of his team-----but as I say----when a guy gets 10 blocks in a single game, he's either a super star or he's playing against exceedingly weak competition !

or when a guy gets 10 blocks in a game, he has a nose on the defensive end for the ball... even if the other team was really small, it is still tough to get 10 blocks.  You would think if a team was that much smaller then him, after about 5 or 6 blocks, the coach would keep the ball on the outside.  Honestly, 10 blocks is quite absurd, no matter what competition

[jmayer1]

My point is that a 6' 10" guy with BE recruitment credentials and lining up against guys 6'5 or 6'6" (average height of a HS center) should get 25 ppg by default----and at least half of those on putbacks!

You don't have a point.  You have no idea how tall the opponents are or how good the teams are.  Anything you say is only cheap speculation.   

[Murffieus]

Can anyone tells us which category O'Tule's team falls into within the divisional scheme of Texas HS BB?

McCheese----whe's the last time you heard of a BB player blocking 10 shots in a single game----I have never heard of it and I played against Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlin. Had to be against pint sized players or he's a super star !

[muarmy81]

His team is a 5A division school and i think that's equivalent to Division 1 in Wisconsin.  5A or maybe there's a 6A either way his team plays in one of the larger divisions, if not the largest, division in TX State basketball. 

[Desert_Eagle]

...especially after this year when Burke and Barro leave...

Burke is a junior.

[dwaderoy2004]

Can anyone tells us which category O'Tule's team falls into within the divisional scheme of Texas HS BB?

McCheese----whe's the last time you heard of a BB player blocking 10 shots in a single game----I have never heard of it and I played against Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlin. Had to be against pint sized players or he's a super star !

eric hicks had 10 against us a couple years back.  he's only 6'6.  congrats by the way on playing against bill russell and wilt chamberlain. 

[MuMark]

10 blocks in a game:

2006


MILWAUKEE, Wis.---Eric Hicks had a triple-double and Cincinnati recorded a school record 18 blocks as the Bearcats overcame a 10-point halftime deficit to post a 70-66 win over Marquette on Saturday in BIG EAST basketball action. UC's victory, its second in two tries in its new league, runs the Bearcats' win streak to 10 in a row.

Hicks turned in one of the most dominating interior performances ever by a UC player as he led all players with 22 points, while grabbing 12 rebounds and matching the school record with 10 blocked shots.

Shawn James 2005:

Nov. 25) to help lead Northeastern to Golden Bear Classic finals...with his 10-block effort, James surpassed Husky legend Reggie Lewis for Northeastern's career lead in shots blocked...

Thabeet: 2006

A.J. Price scored 20 points and Hasheem Thabeet tied a Connecticut record with 10 blocked shots as the 20th-ranked Huskies blew out Texas Southern 106-55 on Sunday to win their 26th straight home game.

Just to name a few.

According to Wiki Jimmy Mac AVERAGED over 8 blocks a game as a senior in high school.

Think he might have had more then 10 a few times?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_McIlvaine

[Knights04]

McCheese----whe's the last time you heard of a BB player blocking 10 shots in a single game----I have never heard of it and I played against Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlin. Had to be against pint sized players or he's a super star !

Perhaps that's because the blocked shot was not an official stat until 1973 in the NBA and 1985 in the NCAA...However, I do agree with you somewhat.  We should not just automatically annoint Otule as our "savior" down low.  Let's be cautiously optimistic about this signing.  Be excited that we are bringing in an athletic big man who sounds like he has a chance to be an impact player. But don't heap on overzealous expectations.  Allow him to come in and play before he is labelled as either the greatest center under TC or as an underachiever.  Let his play next year show us where realistic expectations are, and then everyone can complain.

I, for one, am happy to have Otule on board and look forward to watching him play.

[Ready2Fly]

Dear Murf -

You say that Dwight Burke has "excellent" post moves.

He averaged 9 points per game as a senior in high school.

Otule scored 16 points and 18 points his first 2 games senior year.  Shouldn't that mean he has other-worldly post moves?
(For the record, I don't think this - I'm just following your "logic")

Or are you just a raging hypocrite who spouts off anything to start an argument?

Methinks it's the latter.

[Murffieus]

Well you can think what you want but you're NOT "ready to fly"---- Burke does have excellent postup moves (had them when he came here)------but hasn't been able to show it here because we don't have a postup offense----posting up here is almost nil. I have also said that Burke is atrocious facing the hoop and that he lacks court savvy (although now improving in both respects).

Burke is Burke and Otule is Otule----there is a lot more to offensive BB than posting up----also please note that Burke didn't start in HS so playing time is a factor in your comparison as well----then there is the competion factor which you also snub!

I'd still like to know what level O'Tule's team is playing on in Texas!

[Ready2Fly]

then there is the competion factor which you also snub!

I'd still like to know what level O'Tule's team is playing on in Texas!

Please refer to muarmy81's post which directly answered this question when you asked earlier.