Todd Mayo goes 4th round in D-League

[Nevada233]

Dude.  Can't you understand?

If a guy leads you to wins, helps you win, then as teammates you can deal with some of the extracurricular crap.  May not like the guy, but you realize winning tastes a lot better than losing.

Hey,

Teams (NBA, College and overseas) are more than willing to deal with "Extra Crap" from lottery picks, one and dones guys who are top tier and fill up the stands....


I highly doubt any team is jumping out the window to sign Todd. His talent and headache he can cause are on 2 different planets....

So yea if it were Jabari Parker or Andrew Wiggins yes, but a Junior who wasn't even starting no chance.... If Vander Blue can't stick on an NBA Roster... Todd can forget it.

[NersEllenson]

That's the way the world is.  It's not black and white.  Mostly shades of grey. 

Yet we are on a message board that often has topics speculating and debating how a season my go, how good of coach is Tom Crean/Buzz Williams, etc.?  Which players will step up?  Which players will struggle.  Could different lineups been employed.

So, lots of speculation and opinions shared - some just share none - but instead critique those of the people offering actual opinions and speculation.

The very immature go back through a person's post history and try to pull statements made that were wrong.  

Ironcially, Sultan, you may recall I said once Jake Thomas transferred here, that he stood a good chance of playing during actual meaningful gametimes...and that was roundly met with disagreement.

[GGGG]

Clearly you've never had exposure to what goes on in high major ball, or professional sports teams for that matter.  There are 100s of cases of guys who are great players who are less than great teammates...and teams keep those guys around because their talent helps the team win games.

But Todd isn't a great player.  He's not worth it.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Yet we are on a message board that often has topics speculating and debating how a season my go, how good of coach is Tom Crean/Buzz Williams, etc.?  Which players will step up?  Which players will struggle.  Could different lineups been employed.

So, lots of speculation and opinions shared - some just share none - but instead critique those of the people offering actual opinions and speculation.

The very immature go back through a person's post history and try to pull statements made that were wrong.  

Ironcially, Sultan, you may recall I said once Jake Thomas transferred here, that he stood a good chance of playing during actual meaningful gametimes...and that was roundly met with disagreement.

So, just to be clear, I can say whatever I want, and if I'm wrong, nobody can mention it?

[NersEllenson]

But Todd isn't a great player.  He's not worth it.

Ultimately, probably not - yet, he was the best guard option on last year's team...and he also showed some pretty big stones at times in his MU career.  The potential was there, yet as has been posted...Todd had a hard time getting out of his own way.

I have no doubt that if I were Todd Mayo, it would have frustrated the hell out of me riding the bench behind Jake Thomas.

[NersEllenson]

So, just to be clear, I can say whatever I want, and if I'm wrong, nobody can mention it?

Well that would actually require you to make posts that actual speculate on the topics discussed here.  You are excellent at latching on to others predictive and forward looking statements, and shooting holes in them after the fact.  Of course nobody is going to be 100% right when they make forward looking predictions...some 5 to 10 years down the road.

I was roundly mocked here when I said after 5 games in his career that Gardner could/would be a better player than Robert Jackson as a senior.  Mocked when I said (in year 1 of his tenure) Buzz likely would lead us to Final Fours/Elite 8's if he stuck around 10 years.

Of course I've missed on my share of predictions as well..as does anyone.  What's lame are those who offer none, and then try to mock those who do. 

Are you a banker by chance?

[RJax55]

Hey,

Teams (NBA, College and overseas) are more than willing to deal with "Extra Crap" from lottery picks, one and dones guys who are top tier and fill up the stands....


I highly doubt any team is jumping out the window to sign Todd. His talent and headache he can cause are on 2 different planets....

So yea if it were Jabari Parker or Andrew Wiggins yes, but a Junior who wasn't even starting no chance.... If Vander Blue can't stick on an NBA Roster... Todd can forget it.

Nevada, reinko was being sarcastic.

You're completely right about Todd. A coach will take on a problem if the guy's talent is worth it. Todd was not a high-level talent by any means. Why Buzz stuck his neck out for Todd is the real question.

[tower912]

Ultimately, probably not - yet, he was the best guard option on last year's team...and he also showed some pretty big stones at times in his MU career.  The potential was there, yet as has been posted...Todd had a hard time getting out of his own way.

I have no doubt that if I were Todd Mayo, it would have frustrated the hell out of me riding the bench behind Jake Thomas.

If I was Todd Mayo, I would have taken it as a huge flashing neon sign that I needed to clean up my act, play to my assignment on both ends of the floor at all times, and hustle.   I would ask myself what I am doing wrong that the coach, (who is the one in charge of such things, not me) would play a player who I don't believe can hold my jock.    And then I would become the player that the coach wanted.   Especially after he gave me all of the extra chances and stuck his neck out for me.   But I am not Todd Mayo and he is not me.    

[Lennys Tap]

I have no doubt that if I were Todd Mayo, it would have frustrated the hell out of me riding the bench behind Jake Thomas.

He didn't ride the bench behind Jake Thomas. That's just not true. When he wasn't injured or in a doghouse he built with his own two hands he was playing big minutes WITH Jake, not sitting behind him.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Well that would actually require you to make posts that actual speculate on the topics discussed here.  You are excellent at latching on to others predictive and forward looking statements, and shooting holes in them after the fact.  Of course nobody is going to be 100% right when they make forward looking predictions...some 5 to 10 years down the road.

I was roundly mocked here when I said after 5 games in his career that Gardner could/would be a better player than Robert Jackson as a senior.  Mocked when I said (in year 1 of his tenure) Buzz likely would lead us to Final Fours/Elite 8's if he stuck around 10 years.

Of course I've missed on my share of predictions as well..as does anyone.  What's lame are those who offer none, and then try to mock those who do. 

Are you a banker by chance?

I think fundamentally we're approaching this from different places.

I'm don't come to the internet to predict things. I have some opinions, and if I feel strongly, or if I have something of value, I'll share it.

That's it. I don't need to be right, and I don't need to prove anybody wrong.

[Benny B]

That's the way the world is.  It's not black and white.  Mostly shades of grey. 

I'm telling you... we really need to start a porn thread.

[Nevada233]

How much does the D league pay about 20K... A year. Lol

[reinko]

Hey,

Teams (NBA, College and overseas) are more than willing to deal with "Extra Crap" from lottery picks, one and dones guys who are top tier and fill up the stands....


I highly doubt any team is jumping out the window to sign Todd. His talent and headache he can cause are on 2 different planets....

So yea if it were Jabari Parker or Andrew Wiggins yes, but a Junior who wasn't even starting no chance.... If Vander Blue can't stick on an NBA Roster... Todd can forget it.

The 2nd part was a direct quote from our the MUScoop intramural dunk champion himself.

[NersEllenson]

The 2nd part was a direct quote from our the MUScoop intramural dunk champion himself.

Yet another feeble attempt at humor?  Time to go back to the drawing board Reinko. Don't quit your day job buddy.

[Nevada233]

Lol this was a great post!

[Sharpie]

I wish there were an muscoop boxing tournament where everyone could take their aggression out and where you have to wear your username on your trunks.

Things get hilarious and straight off the tracks in almost every thread. It's why I keep coming back, aside from the actual solid info about mu basketball and recruiting.

[Golden Avalanche]

Yet we are on a message board that often has topics speculating and debating how a season my go, how good of coach is Tom Crean/Buzz Williams, etc.?  Which players will step up?  Which players will struggle.  Could different lineups been employed.

So, lots of speculation and opinions shared - some just share none - but instead critique those of the people offering actual opinions and speculation.

The very immature go back through a person's post history and try to pull statements made that were wrong.  

Ironcially, Sultan, you may recall I said once Jake Thomas transferred here, that he stood a good chance of playing during actual meaningful gametimes...and that was roundly met with disagreement.

You did this exact thing (bolded) to me (even starting a brand new thread insulting me) during the early days of the DJ Newbill fiasco. Only then, I was absolutely correct and you were made to look like a fool when what I posted came out to be true. $hit happens.

[NersEllenson]

You did this exact thing (bolded) to me (even starting a brand new thread insulting me) during the early days of the DJ Newbill fiasco. Only then, I was absolutely correct and you were made to look like a fool when what I posted came out to be true. $hit happens.

That's fair - I did do that and it wasn't mature, and something I refrained from doing again.  Yet, as big of Buzz fan as I was early on, and incredibly supportive, I did say the Newbill situation made me uncomfortable, but at that point I'd give him the benefit of the doubt.

You had a pretty consistent posting history of bashing Buzz on a lot of stuff, while championing Tom Crean..much like Chicos.  I found it odd as to why some would bash our current coach and try to champion our former that left on his own accord.

End of the day, virtually every high major coach is going to have a few warts...its a sleazy business.  Too bad Buzz jobbed Newbill, as he's proven to be a very good player and high character kid.  He'll have a big year at PSU this year, even while not surrounded with much talent.

[Benny B]

I wish there were an muscoop boxing tournament where everyone could take their aggression out and where you have to wear your username on your trunks.

Things get hilarious and straight off the tracks in almost every thread. It's why I keep coming back, aside from the actual solid info about mu basketball and recruiting.

Foxy Boxing?

[tower912]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White-collar_boxing

 Or something like this.   

[avid1010]

If you are going to put up with the B.S., associated with Mayo..and keep him on the team - then use him for what he's best at:  playing basketball.  If a guy leads you to wins, helps you win, then as teammates you can deal with some of the extracurricular crap.  May not like the guy, but you realize winning tastes a lot better than losing.

this is hilarious.

[mu-rara]

Clearly you've never had exposure to what goes on in high major ball, or professional sports teams for that matter.  There are 100s of cases of guys who are great players who are less than great teammates...and teams keep those guys around because their talent helps the team win games.

Please come with something a little stronger next time Reinko.  I know you have it in you.  For a Boston guy, that's pretty weak sauce.

There is a difference between great players who are less than great teammates and good players who are terrible teammates.

[Galway Eagle]

I wish there were an muscoop boxing tournament where everyone could take their aggression out and where you have to wear your username on your trunks.

Things get hilarious and straight off the tracks in almost every thread. It's why I keep coming back, aside from the actual solid info about mu basketball and recruiting.

I'm in 

[Sharpie]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White-collar_boxing

 Or something like this.   

Hahaha yessss