What's going through Buzz and Crean's minds right now?

[keefe]

Dean-o:  "Bottoms up"

KO: "Look at the rack on that one!"

[ChicosBailBonds]

Yes, things lined up for Wojo...but he still had to make it happen. Doubt that Crean could have closed the deal...and Williams had no chance. Wojo came in and made up a ton of ground in six months.

I'm going to enjoy this and avoid any pissing matches. MU has landed it best recruit since Doc Rivers. Let that sink in for a moment.

Just allow yourselves to be happy.

No idea...all hypotheticals.  Luck, opportunity, etc, are involved along with playing time, coach's ability to sell, etc, etc, etc.  Buzz has landed some big time kids, so has Crean, they've also missed on big time kids just as Wojo will....all part of the landscape.  This particular case was a special one, his dad played for MU for a short time and his brother transfered here.  Not sure TC or BW ever had that same scenario.  I'm glad it worked out, because clearly he wasn't coming here with Buzz, but did with Wojo.  Works for me.

Who's not happy?  Always seems odd to me that when people answer questions with an honest approach it torques some people off for whatever reason.   I'm not sure why pointing out the uniqueness of this situation is a wrong, but certainly one or two feel violated for mentioning those details.  Whatever, can't please everyone. 

Welcome to MU Mr. Ellenson.  I was a student when your dad was here....good to see you pounding the cracked sidewalks of Marquette University.

[Lennys Tap]

You and Lenny didn't read what I wrote and now you want me banned because you two made a mistake.

Wait a second. You wrote "the last time a kid ranked this high from the state was Majerus going after Joe Wolf"

That is unequivocally wrong. The last time a kid from the state was ranked this highly and was recruited by Marquette was 2003. Brian Butch was the player, TC was the coach.

[MUHoopsFan2]

If I recall the quote was more along the lines of sustained success.  Buzz's (apparent) viewpoint was that continuing the Sweet 16s and Elite 8 appearances was not sustainable at a Catholic school in a new basketball-only league, where recruiting would ultimately suffer.  Personally, I think that was his way of justifying leaving such a great situation for more money, but that's just me.

Crean's departure was never about more money or a new challenge.  It was having the opportunity to coach at one of a few blue bloods in the country.

Call me an optimist, but I feel that (when both saw Henry's announcement) both felt happy and glad for the school - seeing their former team experience success and continue on with a tradition they were a part of.  Today's events should only reinforce was has been previously mentioned by us numerous times before: Marquette is a basketball program, built not by one coach, or two, or three - but rather by a collection of really unique and committed individuals that aim to compete at the highest levels of college basketball.

Excellent post and commentary....I concur wholeheartedly on all counts.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Wait a second. You wrote "the last time a kid ranked this high from the state was Majerus going after Joe Wolf"

That is unequivocally wrong. The last time a kid from the state was ranked this highly and was recruited by Marquette was 2003. Brian Butch was the player, TC was the coach.

Sigh.

Go back...again...and read what I said.  Here's a hint, it's on the same post as the one you posted, but you didn't read the part before it.  This isn't hard, it really isn't.

[Lennys Tap]

Sigh.

Go back...again...and read what I said.  Here's a hint, it's on the same post as the one you posted, but you didn't read the part before it.  This isn't hard, it really isn't.

Sigh. Did Joe Wolf have a father and a brother who went to MU?

[The Lens]

This is hilarious because Henry's dad transferred out of Marquette to Wisconsin. 

And Rice Lake is basically a resort town for the Twin Cities.

The degree of difficulty was off the charts. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

This is hilarious because Henry's dad transferred out of Marquette to Wisconsin. 

And Rice Lake is basically a resort town for the Twin Cities.

The degree of difficulty was off the charts. 

That is correct, but he transferred out because of a coaching change not because he didn't like Marquette.  All it would take is actually reading his own comments about MU in various articles.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Sigh. Did Joe Wolf have a father and a brother who went to MU?

Leo, Joe's dad, was a truck driver and I don't believe he attended college.  Perhaps if he had gone to MU things would have been different...especially if he was a player for MU. 

Impossible to know, which has been the premise of my comments all along on this topic.  None of us know, but the situation that presented itself is unique in MU history.....or are you going to deny that? 

[muhoosier260]

Probably both thinking about their respective team's practice. I don't think they stalk MU like you think they do.

[keefe]

Buzz: something imagined, probably OCD-driven

Buzz:  "I told that gawddam manager he needs to flush twice after I've eaten pulled pork!!"

[Lennys Tap]

Leo, Joe's dad, was a truck driver and I don't believe he attended college.  Perhaps if he had gone to MU things would have been different...especially if he was a player for MU. 

Impossible to know, which has been the premise of my comments all along on this topic.  None of us know, but the situation that presented itself is unique in MU history.....or are you going to deny that? 

Here's the thing. You wrote that Marquette had not recruited a guy ranked as high as Henry since Majerus recruited Joe Wolf. That's patently false. Long after we recruited Joe Wolf (whose Dad and brother didn't go to MU) we recruited Brian Butch (whose Dad and brother didn't go to MU). So you were 100% wrong in your assertion.

The other stuff, was this a unique situation, etc., sure. I never addressed that, I was correcting your mistake about our recruiting history. I don't know whether Henry's Dad enrolling in, becoming disenchanted with and eventually transferring from Marquette helped us or hurt us. Neither do you. But whether it did or not can't make joeWolf's recruitment come AFTER Brian Butch's. It would be like saying in 1980 that we hadn't been in a world war since World War I. Wrong.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Sigh. Did Joe Wolf have a father and a brother who went to MU?

No, but his older brother Jeff went to UNC (was on the runner up team to MU) which sealed the deal. This broke Rick at MU, remembering he is from up in that area (Sheboygan Falls). Losing Ricky Olson, Sir Walter the first time...kids he knew as their camp counselor, took its toll on him personally.

Wojo, though, shored up his base at hit it out of the park. 

[Texas Western]

Both Crean & Buzz ate their current school's lunch at the negotiating table. They are fine.

Yes both happy in the Big Ten and ACC. I think they are pleased for MU and wish us well.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Here's the thing. You wrote that Marquette had not recruited a guy ranked as high as Henry since Majerus recruited Joe Wolf. That's patently false. Long after we recruited Joe Wolf (whose Dad and brother didn't go to MU) we recruited Brian Butch (whose Dad and brother didn't go to MU). So you were 100% wrong in your assertion.

The other stuff, was this a unique situation, etc., sure. I never addressed that, I was correcting your mistake about our recruiting history. I don't know whether Henry's Dad enrolling in, becoming disenchanted with and eventually transferring from Marquette helped us or hurt us. Neither do you. But whether it did or not can't make joeWolf's recruitment come AFTER Brian Butch's. It would be like saying in 1980 that we hadn't been in a world war since World War I. Wrong.

Joe Wolf was considered a much better player than Brian Butch ever was.  For Christ sake, Butch has to redshirt his freshman year.  You continue to make the mistake year in and year out when you say the #15 guy one year is the same as the #15 guy from a different year.  I don't know how many times we have to go through this, but each year is different and some years the classes are strong than other years.  There has to be a #1, a #23, a #54, a #89 in each year, but that doesn't mean they compare in ability.  #15 one year might be #40 in another year.  Wolf > Butch...by a mile.

Sorry, I wasn't wrong....deal with it.  

And Wolf went to UNC where his brother went, his father didn't.  Henry chose MU for all kinds of reasons, and I'm damn glad he did.  Didn't hurt that his dad went to MU and still held it in high regard (he transferred because of a coaching change).  Didn't hurt that this is considered arguably the best player in state history OTHER THAN JOE WOLF and maybe 2 or 3 others (NOT BRIAN BUTCH in that top 5).  Didn't hurt that his brother is at MU, which is also a unique situation that Wojo had that no one else did.  In the history of the MU program, only one other time has MU had two brothers play at the same school.   As for this thread, apples to oranges comparison....which is what I stated.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Put together by Wisconsin media a few years ago, can't recall the publication


THE FIRST TEAM

JOE WOLF, 6-10, KOHLER
Played 1979-’83. Scored 2,086 points, including a high of 804 as a junior. Played in the McDonald’s All-American Game. "He was legendary," said Tom Desotell, coach at Sheboygan North. "Man! He could shoot from the perimeter. He could take it inside. You couldn’t stop him." AP and UPI player of the year, and Mr. Basketball as a senior. AP and UPI all-state as a senior and junior.
(Played 11 years in the NBA. Played four years at North Carolina.)


FRED BROWN, 6-2, MILWAUKEE LINCOLN  (aka, "Downtown" Freddie Brown)
Played 1964-’67. Scored 1,108 points, including 604 as a senior. Averaged 21.2 points in six state tournament games as his team won back-to-back titles his junior and senior years. "Fred Brown was the best player that I’ve ever seen in high school," said John Weinert, former coach at Milwaukee King and later coach at Bowling Green. "He could do everything. Low key. But he had great range, great jumping ability. What he did best was, he was a great, great defensive player. He could play one-on-one defense as well as anybody that I’ve ever seen in high school." AP all-state and UPI second team as a senior.
(Played 13 years in the NBA. Played two years at Iowa and named AP third team All-American as a senior.)


JIM CHONES, 6-11,
RACINE PARK /
ST. CATHERINE’S
Played 1966-’69. Scored 1,073 points, including 630 as a senior. Led the WISAA state tournament with 94 points when his team won the title his senior year to finish 26-0. "He was super," said Joe Buneta, former coach at Milwaukee Pius. "Big, tall, strong. He was a dominating high school player. Mostly jump shots, hook shots, rebounds. He had a nice build for a high school player." UPI player of the year as a senior. AP and UPI all-state as a senior.
(Played two years in the ABA and eight in the NBA. Played two-plus years at Marquette and named AP All-American as a junior.)


TONY BENNETT, 6-0, GREEN BAY PREBLE
Played 1985-’88. Scored 1,340 points, including 689 as a senior. "He was just so solid," said Dick Diener, coach at Fond du Lac. "Tough all the way around. He was a guy who just never made mistakes with the ball. He was a good pull-up jump shooter. He made everybody around him better. Never anything real flashy, but a great all-around percentage player." AP and UPI player of the year, and Mr. Basketball as a senior. AP and UPI all-state as a senior. AP third team and UPI second team as a junior.
(Played three years in the NBA. Played four years at UW-Green Bay and ranked first in all-time scoring.)


DON KOJIS, 6-5, MILWAUKEE NOTRE DAME
Played 1954-’57. Scored 1,398 points, including 689 as a senior. Averaged 31.3 points per game as a senior. "Great! Extremely tough on the boards, offensively and defensively," said Bob Jaskulski, former coach at Milwaukee Tech. "He was a good perimeter shooter. But in high school, he was so strong inside that’s where he operated." AP all-state as a senior.
(Played 12 years in the NBA. Played three years at Marquette and ranked ninth in all-time scoring.)


THE SECOND TEAM

CLARENCE SHERROD, 6-0, MILWAUKEE LINCOLN
Played 1964-’67. Scored 1,021 points, including 548 as a senior. Averaged 19.7 points in six state tournament games as his team won back-to-back titles his junior and senior years. "He was better than (Fred) Brown in high school," said Stan DuFrane, former coach at Janesville Craig. "So quick. He could do everything. There’d be two guys there and he’d go right between them. He was one of the first guys to bring the ball behind his back and dribble." AP and UPI all-state as a senior.
(Played three years at Wisconsin and ranked eighth in all-time scoring.)


SAM OKEY, 6-7, CASSVILLE
Played 1991-’95. Scored 2,539 points, including 844 as a senior. Played in the McDonald’s All-American Game. "Probably the best high school player I saw in Wisconsin up to that point," said Jim Nedelcoff, former coach at Southwestern. "He could rebound. He could shoot. He was a tremendous passer. He could do everything." AP and Milwaukee Journal player of the year as a senior and junior, and Mr. Basketball as a senior. AP and Milwaukee Journal all-state as a senior and junior. AP and Milwaukee Journal second team as a sophomore.
(Played two years at Wisconsin and named Big Ten freshman of the year. Played one year at Iowa.)


JOHN JOHNSON, 6-6, MILWAUKEE ST. BENEDICT /
MILWAUKEE MESSMER
Played 1963-’66. Scored 1,493 points, including 680 as a senior. Scored 69 points and grabbed 64 rebounds in the WISAA state tournament when his team won the title his senior year. "He was tremendous," said Tom Sager, former coach at Milwaukee Don Bosco. "He was a big forward who could really handle the ball, shoot well, rebound. Drive to the basket. Dominating rebounder. He was like a center who could play anywhere." AP and UPI all-state as a senior. UPI Private-Parochial all-state as a junior.
(Played 12 years in the NBA. Played two years at Iowa and ranked 20th in all-time scoring.)


ANTHONY PIEPER, 6-3, WAUSAUKEE
Played 1989-’93. Scored 3,391 points, including 1,063 as a senior. Holds the state records for all-time and single-season scoring. "For a high school player, I thought he was as good as there was offensively," said Tony Fiore, former coach at Crivitz. "He could shoot it. He could go to the hole. He could dunk it. He was an offensive machine. There was no way you could stop him." AP and Milwaukee Journal player of the year, and Mr. Basketball as a senior. AP and Milwaukee Journal all-state as a senior. AP second team as a junior. AP fourth team as a sophomore.
(Played four years at Marquette and ranked 23rd in all-time scoring.)


DEVIN HARRIS, 6-3,
WAUWATOSA EAST
Played 1998-’01. Scored 1,083 points, including 582 as a senior. "Liked him a lot," said John Boyle, coach at Middleton. "He was a competitor. When the game was on the line, he was at his best. Outside, inside. He could put it on the floor and go to the hole. He was pretty versatile. He could make the pass, too." AP player of the year and Mr. Basketball as a senior. AP and Journal Sentinel / WBCA all-state as a senior.
(Playing his first season in the NBA. Played three years at Wisconsin and ranked seventh in all-time scoring.)


THE THIRD TEAM

BILL HANZLIK, 6-7, BELOIT
Played 1975-’76. Scored 469 points. Transferred from Portland, Ore. "He was a dynamite player," said Jim Stevens, former coach at Madison West. "He could do everything physically. Nobody could defend him out there. Plus, he was a constant threat to drive." AP and UPI all-state as a senior.
(Played 10 years in the NBA. Played four years at Notre Dame.)


NICK VAN EXEL, 6-0, KENOSHA
ST. JOSEPH
Played 1987-’89. Scored 1,282 points, including 772 as a senior. Led the WISAA state tournament in scoring as a junior and senior when his team lost in the finals both years. "They couldn’t stop him with a club. They can’t stop him now," said Tom Sager, former coach at Racine Park. "He had an attitude. He was spunky. He had a chip on his shoulder. He could play, though." AP all-state as a senior.
(Playing his 12th season in the NBA. Played two years at Cincinnati and named AP third team All-American as a senior.)


KURT NIMPHIUS, 6-9, SOUTH MILWAUKEE
Played 1973-’76. Scored 986 points, including 695 as a senior. Led the state tournament in scoring with 97 points when his team won the title his senior year. "He was just dominating in ’76," said Clyde Rusk, former coach at Milwaukee Washington. "He pulled that whole team with him, he was so good. They had four mediocre role players. He was almost unstoppable. He was a very strong player, very consistent." UPI player of the year as a senior. AP and UPI all-state as a senior.
(Played eight years in the NBA. Played four years at Arizona State.)


RICK OLSON, 6-1, MADISON LA FOLLETTE
Played 1979-’82. Scored 1,121 points, including 694 as a senior. Led the state tournament in scoring when his team won the title his senior year. "He was an exceptional shooter," said Stan DuFrane, former coach at Janesville Craig. "They ran their offense by getting the ball down immediately and letting him do something with it. Probably not quite as good a defensive player as some of these other guys, but an excellent player." AP and UPI player of the year, and Mr. Basketball as a senior. AP and UPI all-state as a senior.
(Played four years at Wisconsin and ranked fourth all-time in scoring.)


TRAVIS DIENER, 6-0, FOND DU LAC
Played 1997-’01. Scored 1,515 points, including 516 as a senior. Three-time all-Fox Valley Association selection. "Wow! He just got it done," said John Miron, coach at Kimberly. "He was an assassin. He’d look you in the eye and knock you dead from 25 feet. He just found a way to win. Game after game, he found a way." AP and Journal Sentinel / WBCA all-state as a senior. AP and Journal Sentinel / WBCA second team as a junior.
(Played four years at Marquette, helping MU return to NCAA Final Four in 2003. Diener broke his hand last week, ending his career at MU, where he now ranks third on the school’s all-time scoring list.)


THE FOURTH TEAM

JOHN KOTZ, 6-1, RHINELANDER
Played 1935-’39. Scored 1,180 points, including 467 as a senior. Led the state tournament with a record 64 points when his team won the title his senior year. "When he was at the tournament, I was there several years," said Horace Moran, former coach at Alma. "He was the first guy to come out with that one-hand shot. He didn’t jump, but he shot one-handed, flat-footed. I’d say he was (way ahead of his time). He was not nifty. He was a slam-banger around the basket." Four-time all-Wisconsin Valley Conference selection.
(Played one year in the National Basketball League. Played three years at Wisconsin and was a two-time all-Big Ten selection, including as a sophomore on a national championship team.)


BRIAN BUTCH, 6-11, APPLETON WEST
Played 1999-’03. Scored 1,461 points, including 623 as a senior. Played in the McDonald’s All-American Game. "There was a stretch where I thought Butch was right at the top of the list with the better players in the history of the state," said the late Steve Randall, former coach at Oshkosh West. "Defensively, he was average. But, offensively, he had a complete game. He finished well. He understood how to handle double and triple teams. His touch was very good. He was extremely quick following up missed shots." AP player of the year as a senior and junior; and Mr. Basketball as a senior. AP and Journal Sentinel / WBCA all-state as a senior and junior.
(Playing at Wisconsin.)


MAX WALKER, 6-1,
MILWAUKEE LINCOLN
Played 1959-’62. Scored 1,171 points, including 552 as a senior. Shared the state tournament scoring title with 86 points and scored 27 in the final game when his team won its second straight championship his senior year for a two-year record of 51-1. "He was so smooth," said Clyde Rusk, former coach at West Allis Hale. "He had a lot of basketball savvy. He just glided out there. He could score. He could dribble. He could pass." AP and UPI all-state as a senior.
(Played three years at Indiana.)


RON DIBELIUS, 6-1, MENASHA ST. MARY
Played 1952-’56. Scored 1,769 points, including 631 as a senior. Played in the North-South All-Star Classic in Murray, Ky. "He was so far ahead in the game of basketball," said Don Gosz, a former high school teammate who later became an assistant coach at the University of Wisconsin. "He was so far advanced it was pathetic. Great hands. Could jump. Could shoot. He could do everything. As fine a high school player as I’ve seen come out of here and that includes anybody today." Three-time all-Fox Valley Catholic Conference selection.
(Played one year at Marquette, signed a pro baseball contract and played two more years at UW-Oshkosh.)


ROY BIRK, 6-1, WAUKESHA
Played 1958-’61. Scored 1,357 points, including 693 as a senior. His state tournament scoring record of 102 points in three games has stood for 43 years. "When people ask: ‘Who did you play against?’ He’s the first one to come to mind," said Jim Smallins, former coach at Milwaukee Lincoln. "He was a big-time scorer. But he passed and was considered an all-around player." AP and UPI all-state as a senior. AP third team as a junior.


THE FIFTH TEAM

TONY SMITH, 6-2,
WAUWATOSA EAST
Played 1983-’86. Scored 1,006 points, including 500 as a senior. "Just incredible," said Paul Krajewski, coach at Greendale. "The heart and soul of that team. Even though defenses were geared to him, he could still get it done. He did everything. They had a lob play for him. He could handle the ball, shoot it." AP and UPI all-state as a senior.
(Played eight years in the NBA. Played four years at Marquette and ranked fourth in all-time scoring.)


MICKEY CROWE, 6-5, ST. NAZIANZ JFK PREP
Played 1971-’75. Scored 2,724 points, including 1,001 as a senior. Scored 901 points as a junior. "He was a gunner, but he could do a lot of things when he put his mind to it," said Don LaViolette, former coach at De Pere Pennings. "In the system they used, Mickey would come down and shoot. That was it." AP and UPI all-state as a senior. AP third team and UPI second team as a junior. AP fourth team and UPI second team as a sophomore.


WAYNE KREKLOW, 6-4, NEENAH
Played 1972-’75. Scored 916 points, including 499 as a senior. Led the state tournament in scoring when his team won the title his senior year. "Handled the ball one-on-one," said Dick Emanuel, former coach at Appleton West. "He was one of the quickest big men that I’ve ever seen." UPI player of the year as a senior. AP and UPI all-state as a senior. UPI fifth team as a junior.
(Played one year in the NBA. Played four years at Drake and ranked sixth in all-time scoring.)


MARTY GHARRITY, 6-2, SHAWANO
Played 1956-’58. Scored 1,266 points, including 706 as a senior. Single-game state tournament scoring record of 44 points stood for 45 years. "He was virtually unstoppable," said Warren Otto, former coach at Two Rivers. "I would have to say his defense was a little suspect. He was all offense, no doubt about it. He was a shooter. If you played him tight, he’d fake and drive. (Sam) Cassell goes in there, pump fakes, then jumps into the guy. That was Gharrity’s move." AP all-state as a senior. AP second team as a junior.
(Played one year at Wisconsin and one year at Northern Michigan.)


BOB SULLIVAN, 6-3, MANITOWOC
Played 1962-’65. Scored 1,222 points, including 556 as a senior. John Wooden of UCLA personally recruited him to be a part of class that included Lew Alcindor, who later changed his name to Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, but Sullivan chose Michigan, which was coming off back-to-back Final Four appearances. "He was as good as anybody at that time," said Clem Massey, former coach at Menasha. "He could shoot, hang in the air. Excellent passer." AP and UPI all-state as a senior and junior.
(Played three years at Michigan.)

[The Lens]

Here's my question: how much did John Ellenson transferring affect SUPER FAN Tom Crean. The poor little guy was growing up in Michigan, writing in for his media guides, had to be a big blow.

I bet today was bittersweet for Tommy.  May have brought back some tough memories. 

[mug644]

I seem to always read Latrell Sprewell's name as one of the top high school players in Wisconsin history. Why is it that he's not listed on any of the top 5 teams?

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

And Wolf went to UNC where his brother went, his father didn't.  Henry chose MU for all kinds of reasons, and I'm damn glad he did.  Didn't hurt that his dad went to MU and still held it in high regard (he transferred because of a coaching change).  Didn't hurt that this is considered arguably the best player in state history OTHER THAN JOE WOLF and maybe 2 or 3 others (NOT BRIAN BUTCH in that top 5).  Didn't hurt that his brother is at MU, which is also a unique situation that Wojo had that no one else did.  In the history of the MU program, only one other time has MU had two brothers play at the same school.   As for this thread, apples to oranges comparison....which is what I stated.

This all makes sense but why explain it in a way that diminishes the accomplishment?  Wojo got Wally, he quickly made a great connection with HE and the family that just wasn't there 9 months or a year ago.  From what we know he wasnt lining up to come to MU for those reasons prior to those actions.  Dude wants to be in the NBA and picked MU to get him there -- time to party and hope like hell he can make it happen as soon as possible so we get another one like him.

[We R Final Four]

[quote author=ChicosBailBonds link=topic=44934.msg656058#msg656058 date=

  Didn't hurt that his brother is at MU, which is also a unique situation that Wojo had that no one else did.  In the history of the MU program, only one other time has MU had two brothers play at the same school. 

[/quote]

Chicos--you have now referred to the signing of Wally (several times I might add) as a benefit that was provided to Wojo. That Wojo "has" HE's bro already in the program.
Guess who went and got WE?????
That's right.....Coach Wojo. Wojo was the one who orchestrated this signing. To suggest that Wojo already "had" WE so he had an advantage over your coach with respect to recruiting is good for your narrative only.
It was a great move by WOjo that has already paid dividends--don't disregard this as something given to Wojo cuz it wasn't.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I seem to always read Latrell Sprewell's name as one of the top high school players in Wisconsin history. Why is it that he's not listed on any of the top 5 teams?

I was a baby at the time but I remember hearing that he wasn't that great in high school. Actually went to a juco for two years before transferring to Alabama. I think he is still one of the highest career NBA scorers from Wisconsin.

[Lennys Tap]

Joe Wolf was considered a much better player than Brian Butch ever was.  For Christ sake, Butch has to redshirt his freshman year.  You continue to make the mistake year in and year out when you say the #15 guy one year is the same as the #15 guy from a different year.  I don't know how many times we have to go through this, but each year is different and some years the classes are strong than other years.  There has to be a #1, a #23, a #54, a #89 in each year, but that doesn't mean they compare in ability.  #15 one year might be #40 in another year.  Wolf > Butch...by a mile.

Sorry, I wasn't wrong....deal with it.  

You said that Marquette had not recruited a guy RANKED as high as Henry Ellenson since Joe Wolf. You didn't say that Marquette hasn't recruited a player who, in your opinion or some Wisconsin media people's opinion was AS GOOD AS Henry since Joe Wolf.

Nit pick all you want about what years were better IN YOUR OPINION. It doesn't change the FACT that well after MU recruited Joe Wolf it recruited a guy whose RSCI RANKING was 7 (Brian Butch). Henry Ellenson's current RSCI RANKING is 10. A ranking of 7 is not only equal to a ranking of 10, it is higher than a ranking of 10. No opinion, just fact. Obvious to anyone capable of reading and understanding a definition in a dictionary. Oh, sorry, I forgot...you're not going to get this, are you?

[Carl Spackler]

i gotta say, threads that devolve into stupid old lady bickering are really tiresome.  we get great news and this is the thread that keeps going.  kinda pathetic.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

i gotta say, threads that devolve into stupid old lady bickering are really tiresome.  we get great news and this is the thread that keeps going.  kinda pathetic.

This thread has now achieved Wade's World Corollary #2:

2) Chicos has taken a thread completely off topic and started telling everyone who will listen how intelligent he is, how many famous people he knows, how it's not what was said here but it's who said something here, how he's a victim and people personally attack him (after he has called out their names on here), and how great of a coach Tom Crean is, especially for taking Dwyane Wade from unwanted by mid-majors to NBA Hall of Famer.

[Lennys Tap]

i gotta say, threads that devolve into stupid old lady bickering are really tiresome.  we get great news and this is the thread that keeps going.  kinda pathetic.

Chico stated as fact something that was untrue. When the untruth was pointed out Chico wrote the equivalent of a master's thesis defending his untruth. What new?