SI: Coaches say Buzz Williams, Bruce Pearl best hires this offseason

[Tugg Speedman]

This is like polls asking who will win the presidency in 2016.  The answer is the person with the most name recognition, not who will actually win.

Likewise, this poll is about name recognition.  Ask them again in 5 years (Chicos?) who was the best 2014 hire and you'll likely get a different answer.

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http://www.si.com/college-basketball/2014/08/22/buzz-williams-virginia-tech-bruce-pearl-auburn-best-hires

Coaches say Buzz Williams, Bruce Pearl best hires this offseason

As part of a poll of over 80 Division I college basketball coaches by CBS Sports, Buzz Williams and Bruce Pearl were chosen as the best offseason hires of 2014.

Williams, who was hired by Virginia Tech from Marquette, received 29 percent of the vote. He edged out Bruce Pearl, who was hired by Auburn and earned 28 percent of the vote.

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The coaches who were polled were allowed to anonymously share their thoughts on their selections, with one calling Williams "the Rodney Dangerfield of college basketball. He gets no respect." Another said Virginia Tech "hit a home run" with the hire of Williams.

"Bruce (Pearl) is probably the third most successful coach in the SEC right now ... and Auburn hired him before anybody else had a chance to make a run at him," said another coach.

In six seasons as Marquette's head coach, Williams went 139–69 and made five straight NCAA tournaments, including one Elite Eight. In 19 seasons as a head coach, including stops at Tennessee, Milwaukee and Division II Southern Indiana, Pearl is 462–145.

[tower912]

From a VT perspective, this was a better hire than they had any right to dream of.    They got a guy who had been to 5 NCAA tourneys in 6 years, who went S-16, S-16, E-8.   Great hire for them. 

[Skatastrophy]

From a VT perspective, this was a better hire than they had any right to dream of.    They got a guy who had been to 5 NCAA tourneys in 6 years, who went S-16, S-16, E-8.   Great hire for them. 

Yep, Buzz was a home run hire for them. I honestly hope Buzz finds an environment that resonates with him a bit more down there.

[keefe]

From a VT perspective, this was a better hire than they had any right to dream of.    They got a guy who had been to 5 NCAA tourneys in 6 years, who went S-16, S-16, E-8.   Great hire for them. 

There is no doubt it is a great hire for VPISU. That is until he starts weirding out on them in Blacksburg. Bert is a strange mother f ucker and it is only a matter of time until he starts behaving oddly and badly.

[MU82]

We know too much about Buzz.

If I were at Va Tech, I'd be thrilled with the hire.

Lots of folks here thought Marquette should be a "big boy" school and make a "big boy" hire like Ben Howland. If we had done it, many would be thrilled.

And many UCLA fans would have raised their eyebrows and said, "Good luck with that."

As always, it's all about perspective.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

We know too much about Buzz.

If I were at Va Tech, I'd be thrilled with the hire.

Lots of folks here thought Marquette should be a "big boy" school and make a "big boy" hire like Ben Howland. If we had done it, many would be thrilled.

And many UCLA fans would have raised their eyebrows and said, "Good luck with that."

As always, it's all about perspective.

+1

It's not necessarily about name recognition, it's about track record. That's all casual fans look at. If that's all that mattered, Ben Howland would be our coach. Thank god the search committee looks at more than track record

[Dr. Blackheart]

First of all, both the VaTech and Auburn programs have no where to go but up. Both coaches will improve their lots when they do.  

With Wojo or the romancing of Shaka even, MU showed that it is a better program that has lasted through many coaches. Two losing seasons in the last 25 years. Virginia Tech has had eight winning seasons over that time with only two NCAA appearances.  Buzz set a low bar for himself and will be angling for a big raise in the first winning season.

What will be interesting with Wojo, as the program has been able to sustain long term success on its own, will he be able to take it a step up...and it starts with his first recruiting class. Crean moved the program from Point A to Point B. Buzz from B to C but then back to Point A.  If Wojo can get MU in with Top 25 recruits, then Point D (sustained Top 10 results) is achievable.  The 17-15 record last year gives Wojo a basis to claim that place for himself...versus what Buzz had here with the shadow of Crean and McGuire before him (that is on Buzz and his insecurities).

[willie warrior]

From a VT perspective, this was a better hire than they had any right to dream of.    They got a guy who had been to 5 NCAA tourneys in 6 years, who went S-16, S-16, E-8.   Great hire for them. 

It was also a great hire for MU, when VT hired El Buzzo

[hoops12]

Keep in mind that Marquette made Buzz "a name". They went out on a limb to hire him. He did a nice job while at Marquette, but he would not be where he is today without Marquette taking a huge risk in hiring him.

[Tums Festival]

I'm way more optimistic about the upcoming season (and beyond) with Wojo as our coach than if Brent had stayed.

[Johnny B]

I'm way more optimistic about the upcoming season (and beyond) with Wojo as our coach than if Brent had stayed.

Ye just wish we had Hill and Satchel to come with.

[MU82]

Keep in mind that Marquette made Buzz "a name". They went out on a limb to hire him. He did a nice job while at Marquette, but he would not be where he is today without Marquette taking a huge risk in hiring him.

Good point.

Same, of course, was true about Al.

[keefe]

Same, of course, was true about Al.

While true I would submit those two men left Marquette very differently. Al walked down from the summit of Everest and rode off on a Kawasaki while Bert slithered out from under a rock wearing purple and mustard.

[hoops12]

Good point.

Same, of course, was true about Al.

In some respects MAYBE. However, Al had a successful playing career at St. John's and it extended into the NBA for a few seasons as well. He also had seven seasons (five with winning records) as a head coach at Belmont. Buzz had one extremely short, unsuccessful stint at New Orleans.(one season with a losing record) He basically had no resume to speak of, and no playing career either. I can't agree with your assessment on this one. I think it would be a real stretch to compare Al and Buzz on what they accomplished before coming to MU.

Just my thoughts of course!

[Lennys Tap]

In some respects MAYBE. However, Al had a successful playing career at St. John's and it extended into the NBA for a few seasons as well. He also had seven seasons (five with winning records) as a head coach at Belmont. Buzz had one extremely short, unsuccessful stint at New Orleans.(one season with a losing record) He basically had no resume to speak of, and no playing career either. I can't agree with your assessment on this one. I think it would be a real stretch to compare Al and Buzz on what they accomplished before coming to MU.

Just my thoughts of course!

I love Al - think he was the greatest - but his resume' as a head coach when he arrived at MU was anything but stellar. First 2 years at Belmont Abbey (with someone else's players) were by far his best - he was 24-3 and 21-2. His final two years he was 6-19 and 6-18. If Marquette doesn't come calling Al might have been back in the family business tending bar by the late 60s.

[Johnny B]

I love Al - think he was the greatest - but his resume' as a head coach when he arrived at MU was anything but stellar. First 2 years at Belmont Abbey (with someone else's players) were by far his best - he was 24-3 and 21-2. His final two years he was 6-19 and 6-18. If Marquette doesn't come calling Al might have been back in the family business tending bar by the late 60s.

Haha very true

[Dawson Rental]

From a VT perspective, this was a better hire than they had any right to dream of.    They got a guy who had been to 5 NCAA tourneys in 6 years, who went S-16, S-16, E-8.   Great hire for them. 

It'd better be.  The contract they agreed to means that Buzz has them by the balls.

[Dawson Rental]

It was also a great hire for MU, when VT hired El Buzzo

An overlooked, but very important fact.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

I mean of course Buzz was the best hire. VT got someone out of their league. However, even if Buzz does a decent job at VT he's just not gonna finish ahead of Duke, NC, Louisville, Cuse, Pitt or even Virginia. He didn't put himself in a good position.

[ChicosBailBonds]

This is like polls asking who will win the presidency in 2016.  The answer is the person with the most name recognition, not who will actually win.

Likewise, this poll is about name recognition.  Ask them again in 5 years (Chicos?) who was the best 2014 hire and you'll likely get a different answer.

I would say from a splash hire, considering the damage that Brent had done with his comments, it was a very good hire, but that's based purely on splash, recognition, etc....in other words...short term.

We won't know for many years as classes come and go, how he is on the sideline, what happens off the court and on the court, etc.  Out of the gate, good....."so far so good"...but we've seen that before.

[ChicosBailBonds]

We know too much about Buzz.

If I were at Va Tech, I'd be thrilled with the hire.

Lots of folks here thought Marquette should be a "big boy" school and make a "big boy" hire like Ben Howland. If we had done it, many would be thrilled.

And many UCLA fans would have raised their eyebrows and said, "Good luck with that."

As always, it's all about perspective.

Well said.

[4everwarriors]

For all y'all with short memories, Big Boy Howland coached UCLA to the Final Four in 2006, 2007, and 2008. We've never had a coach at good, old Marquette who came close to sniffin' that stuff. Everyone got a straight up woody when Too Tan Tommy soiled his Depends one time in New Orleans.

[Johnny B]

For all y'all with short memories, Big Boy Howland coached UCLA to the Final Four in 2006, 2007, and 2008. We've never had a coach at good, old Marquette who came close to sniffin' that stuff. Everyone got a woody when Too Tan Tommy soiled his Depends one time in New Orleans.

We'll that was ucla

[ChicosBailBonds]

For all y'all with short memories, Big Boy Howland coached UCLA to the Final Four in 2006, 2007, and 2008. We've never had a coach at good, old Marquette who came close to sniffin' that stuff. Everyone got a straight up woody when Too Tan Tommy soiled his Depends one time in New Orleans.

But that's the point, because we went so infrequently, and only ONE other guy ever did it, going in 2003 was a big deal.  Hell, going any year is a big deal, but when it had been 25 years since the previous one and we were a program treading on life support some of those years, it made it that much more special.

I like Howland, got to work with him several years as our spokesperson, but he has plenty of warts as well.  The local coaches here did not like him and the AAU coaches didn't either.  They basically cut his balls off recruiting which is why he was having to go out and get kids from outside the area of late.  He was letting the inmates run the asylum.

[Dawson Rental]

For all y'all with short memories, Big Boy Howland coached UCLA to the Final Four in 2006, 2007, and 2008. We've never had a coach at good, old Marquette who came close to sniffin' that stuff. Everyone got a straight up woody when Too Tan Tommy soiled his Depends one time in New Orleans.

To tell both sides of the story, to this day TC claims that he never soiled his Depends, it was just accidental seepage from when his bronzer leaked in his luggage...

[MU82]

For all y'all with short memories, Big Boy Howland coached UCLA to the Final Four in 2006, 2007, and 2008. We've never had a coach at good, old Marquette who came close to sniffin' that stuff. Everyone got a straight up woody when Too Tan Tommy soiled his Depends one time in New Orleans.

I'm not sure what your point is here ... that we missed out on a great hire because we didn't get Howland when he threw himself at us?

If that's what you believe, you are entitled to your opinion, and I know others have that opinion as well.

I am glad we didn't get a has-been who practically was run out of Dodge. No other college is beating his door down, either, which tells me something.

[keefe]

I love Al - think he was the greatest - but his resume' as a head coach when he arrived at MU was anything but stellar. First 2 years at Belmont Abbey (with someone else's players) were by far his best - he was 24-3 and 21-2. His final two years he was 6-19 and 6-18. If Marquette doesn't come calling Al might have been back in the family business tending bar by the late 60s.

Or, alternatively, he could have gone to Lamar then Wagner

[GGGG]

A lot of my family are Badger football fans.  To a person, when Beilema left and Gary Anderson took over, everyone thought it was fantastic.  Phrases like "breath of fresh air" were used.  Similar to what has been said here about Wojo.  Everything that Beleima did that was a negative was over-amplified.  Furthermore things that were a positive (toughness, boot camp, etc.) were now negatives.

One season and one game in and people are now questioning Anderson.  (And I think rightfully so.)  I wouldn't say they are missing Beleima, but they are wondering if Anderson is over his skis a little.

I really hope Wojo is going to be as good as people think he is.

[ChicosBailBonds]

To tell both sides of the story, to this day TC claims that he never soiled his Depends, it was just accidental seepage from when his bronzer leaked in his luggage...

I always thought it had something to do with the team shooting 29% from the floor.  In all my years of watching basketball, I have yet to see a team win a basketball game that shot that poorly.  When you can't make shots, and then it snowballs, you're in trouble.

The week before, when we beat the #1 team in the country......nevermind, that was because of the players.  I keep getting the meme screwed up.  Loss to #2 KU because of coach, win over #1 UK coach nothing to do with it.

[KenoshaWarrior]

A lot of my family are Badger football fans.  To a person, when Beilema left and Gary Anderson took over, everyone thought it was fantastic.  Phrases like "breath of fresh air" were used.  Similar to what has been said here about Wojo.  Everything that Beleima did that was a negative was over-amplified.  Furthermore things that were a positive (toughness, boot camp, etc.) were now negatives.

One season and one game in and people are now questioning Anderson.  (And I think rightfully so.)  I wouldn't say they are missing Beleima, but they are wondering if Anderson is over his skis a little.

I really hope Wojo is going to be as good as people think he is.

Your wrong here.

GA is the transforming the Badger football team from a Dinosaur Power running team, to a team in the mold of the Oregon Ducks.   This is the transition year.  The badgers played best yesterday when they were innovative and quick with jet sweeps, tosses etc.     The worst thing to happen was the badgers were winning because when they lost everyone questions the coach.     I hate the badge just as much as the next guy, but to say that fans should "Rightfully" question the coach crazy talk.    Unless your Alabama, OSU, USC, Texas, LSU; you are not getting 5 star d line players across the board.  The best counter to the physicality is speed, and GA is converting the big lumbering D line of old at Wisconsin to a fit and fast team that can go sideline to sideline.   

[GGGG]

Well I will point out that for a couple decades Wisconsin was quite successful as a "Dinosaur Power running team."  I mean they were coming off three straight Big Ten titles.  Furthermore I think Big Ten team chasing spread option type offenses are chasing fool's gold.  That type of football isn't played in the high schools up here, so you have to import or convert most players.  Michigan State showed last year that you can play a traditional, pro-set offense and be competitive on a national level.  Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State all have been incredibly successful playing that style.  So one could legitimately question whether or not the program needed to be transformed.

But regardless, that wasn't really my point.

[NersEllenson]

I always thought it had something to do with the team shooting 29% from the floor.  In all my years of watching basketball, I have yet to see a team win a basketball game that shot that poorly.  When you can't make shots, and then it snowballs, you're in trouble.

The week before, when we beat the #1 team in the country......nevermind, that was because of the players.  I keep getting the meme screwed up.  Loss to #2 KU because of coach, win over #1 UK coach nothing to do with it.

Hopefully you'll be making similar impassioned pleas for Buzz and why we lost to Syracuse in the Elite 8 game...11 years after the game happened.  Good Lord Chicos...enough already!  I'm starting to believe you legitimately fell in love with Tom Crean while working with him.  I mean you protect and defend the man more than what a typical wife would of her husband.

[tower912]

Hopefully you'll be making similar impassioned pleas for Buzz and why we lost to Syracuse in the Elite 8 game...11 years after the game happened.  Good Lord Chicos...enough already!  I'm starting to believe you legitimately fell in love with Tom Crean while working with him.  I mean you protect and defend the man more than what a typical wife would of her husband.

Says the guy with an 9 month old quote from a poster who is no longer here as his signature.   

[NersEllenson]

Says the guy with an 9 month old quote from a poster who is no longer here as his signature.   

Having a rough day dude?  One, this post makes no sense.  And two, your post on the Hannif to announce on 9/5 to Johnny Basketball was straight up dickish.

And as for my signature...so what?  The site isn't missing out on any good analysis offered by BrewCity77.....that post in and of itself highlights the fact.  And lastly, someone who wants to hurl insults and barbs at my takes/and posts (as BrewCity did frequently), but can't take it being reciprocated...and has to pick up their ball and go home and leave the site?  Really?  Man up. 

[Dawson Rental]

I always thought it had something to do with the team shooting 29% from the floor.  In all my years of watching basketball, I have yet to see a team win a basketball game that shot that poorly.  When you can't make shots, and then it snowballs, you're in trouble.

The week before, when we beat the #1 team in the country......nevermind, that was because of the players.  I keep getting the meme screwed up.  Loss to #2 KU because of coach, win over #1 UK coach nothing to do with it.

Okay, so maybe there's three sides to the story.

[Golden Avalanche]

I always thought it had something to do with the team shooting 29% from the floor.  In all my years of watching basketball, I have yet to see a team win a basketball game that shot that poorly.  When you can't make shots, and then it snowballs, you're in trouble.

The week before, when we beat the #1 team in the country......nevermind, that was because of the players.  I keep getting the meme screwed up.  Loss to #2 KU because of coach, win over #1 UK coach nothing to do with it.

Speaking of soiling shorts and jump shot woes, wasn't Buzz in charge when Marquette put up an NCAA Tournament record worst shooting performance in the biggest game to date of his coaching career?

[ChicosBailBonds]

Hopefully you'll be making similar impassioned pleas for Buzz and why we lost to Syracuse in the Elite 8 game...11 years after the game happened.  Good Lord Chicos...enough already!  I'm starting to believe you legitimately fell in love with Tom Crean while working with him.  I mean you protect and defend the man more than what a typical wife would of her husband.

Sure...of course did Buzz's team knock off #1 the week before to get us in the Final Four?

But yes, coaches can't shoot for players, or play defense,  etc, 

[MU82]

I always thought it had something to do with the team shooting 29% from the floor.  In all my years of watching basketball, I have yet to see a team win a basketball game that shot that poorly.  When you can't make shots, and then it snowballs, you're in trouble.

The week before, when we beat the #1 team in the country......nevermind, that was because of the players.  I keep getting the meme screwed up.  Loss to #2 KU because of coach, win over #1 UK coach nothing to do with it.

Well, you know what I always say about the NCAA tournament:

It is the ultimate crapshoot ... if saying that helps my narrative.

[Lennys Tap]

Speaking of soiling shorts and jump shot woes, wasn't Buzz in charge when Marquette put up an NCAA Tournament record worst shooting performance in the biggest game to date of his coaching career?

I remember it well. Buzz was in charge. It was in the round AFTER the same Syracuse team completely dismantled a #1 seed that had two senior 4 stars, a McDonald's AA point guard, the country's top 6th man and two guys drafted in the top 4. Biggest disappointments in the tourney that year. Wasn't TC in charge of that train wreck?

[NersEllenson]

I remember it well. Buzz was in charge. It was in the round AFTER the same Syracuse team completely dismantled a #1 seed that had two senior 4 stars, a McDonald's AA point guard, the country's top 6th man and two guys drafted in the top 4. Biggest disappointments in the tourney that year. Wasn't TC in charge of that train wreck?

I have a feeling Golden Avalanche at this time regrets his post.  The egg IU laid against Syracuse was even worse considering the above, than was the one MU laid.  As I recall IU was ranked #1 in the country for a decent part of that season. 

[Lennys Tap]

Well, you know what I always say about the NCAA tournament:

It is the ultimate crapshoot ... if saying that helps my narrative.

He belittles Buzz's outstanding record at MU in the NCAAs by saying he was lucky - it's a crapshoot.

He excuses TC's mostly awful record at MU in the NCAAs by saying he was unlucky - it's a crapshoot.

The only time he doesn't harp on the luck factor in the NCAAs is when he talks of 2003, the ultimate Crean outlier. Crapshoot? Lucky? No, that was the greatest accomplishment at Marquette by anyone not named Al McGuire.

It's ironic. It's hypocritical. It's Chico logic.

[Golden Avalanche]

I have a feeling Golden Avalanche at this time regrets his post.  The egg IU laid against Syracuse was even worse considering the above, than was the one MU laid.  As I recall IU was ranked #1 in the country for a decent part of that season. 

Unlike you, I deal in reality and rationality which never results in regret.

The point, which I should have known to be well above yours and others' wage rate, is every young coach has one particular game their fanbase will always remember as being a debacle of their coaching abilities. The deflection and ignorance of some fans goes to show just how deeply these embarrassing losses linger in their childish bellies.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Your wrong here.

GA is the transforming the Badger football team from a Dinosaur Power running team, to a team in the mold of the Oregon Ducks.   This is the transition year.  The badgers played best yesterday when they were innovative and quick with jet sweeps, tosses etc.     The worst thing to happen was the badgers were winning because when they lost everyone questions the coach.     I hate the badge just as much as the next guy, but to say that fans should "Rightfully" question the coach crazy talk.    Unless your Alabama, OSU, USC, Texas, LSU; you are not getting 5 star d line players across the board.  The best counter to the physicality is speed, and GA is converting the big lumbering D line of old at Wisconsin to a fit and fast team that can go sideline to sideline.   

I'll believe it when I see it.  Getting speed up to Wisconsin has and will always be difficult.  The stock in the state is big, powerful, white guys from which to build huge offensive and defensive lines.  It's easy to say he wants to do that, but we'll see.

I haven't been impressed by a Wisconsin QB that came into the program from day one (not Russell Wilson rent a player) in 20 years, either.  Yes, I know a few got to the NFL, but I'm spoiled with talented QB's out here in the Pac 12, so my bar is set high. 

The coaching staff looked pathetic in the second half, and I giggled.  It's always fun to watch them shat themselves.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Well, you know what I always say about the NCAA tournament:

It is the ultimate crapshoot ... if saying that helps my narrative.

Which it is.....doesn't need to help my narrative at all, it is the ultimate crapshoot. 

[Jay Bee]

What an odd topic. As I understand it (h/t chicos) it is wholly improper to make a judgment on a coach until 5 years have elapsed. Are all these coaches psychics?

[ChicosBailBonds]

He belittles Buzz's outstanding record at MU in the NCAAs by saying he was lucky - it's a crapshoot.

He excuses TC's mostly awful record at MU in the NCAAs by saying he was unlucky - it's a crapshoot.

The only time he doesn't harp on the luck factor in the NCAAs is when he talks of 2003, the ultimate Crean outlier. Crapshoot? Lucky? No, that was the greatest accomplishment at Marquette by anyone not named Al McGuire.

It's ironic. It's hypocritical. It's Chico logic.

You still have reading problems apparently.  Oh well.

This just in (actually not just in, have said it often), the run in 2003....was a crapshoot, just like any other run.  There was luck involved, just like any other run.  If you would like, please feel free to thumb tack it to the top so you don't forget.

No hypocrisy, treating them the same.  Players ultimately win, and you need some luck as well.  How the other team plays might have something to do with it also....just a hunch. 

What I challenge here, Lenny, is the idea that you and others love to push about the KU loss and ignore what happened 6 days earlier in the biggest win in 35 years for this program.  Now, that is hypocrisy.  The boys did not play well against KU, they played exceptionally well against UK.   Then, I play the same game as you guys do, solely to show your hypocrisy, you go into the fetal position.  Irony.

[Class71]

Time to move on. Good luck to Buzz but who cares what he does at this point. He is yesterday's newspaper.

[GoldenWarrior11]

Time to move on. Good luck to Buzz but who cares what he does at this point. He is yesterday's newspaper.

Agreed.  Can't we all just move on now?  Both Tom Crean and Buzz Williams did really positive things with our program.  They both experienced a very high level of success, as well as national recognition.  Anyone that says that they did not enjoy the runs under both coaches are liars.

Could we have gone farther with both?  Of course - what program couldn't.  We tend to focus more on could have happened (or in some posters' cases, SHOULD have happened), rather than what has happened (which is pretty darn good if you ask me). 

Crean and Buzz are both gone.  We have Wojo now.  Let's get excited and look forward to the day where we can list the reasons as to why we aren't National Champions under his watch...   

[NersEllenson]

Unlike you, I deal in reality and rationality which never results in regret.

The point, which I should have known to be well above yours and others' wage rate, is every young coach has one particular game their fanbase will always remember as being a debacle of their coaching abilities. The deflection and ignorance of some fans goes to show just how deeply these embarrassing losses linger in their childish bellies.

If your point was every young coach has one particular game their fanbase will always remember as being a debacle of their coaching abilities - why didn't you make that point originally?  LOL.  Nice, typical, weak way to try to backpedal from your ill-conceived post (just as Lenny's pointed out to you and owned you in his post.)

Anyone who knows your history here knows you ride Crean's jock in a similar way as Chicos.  Sad thing with guys like you is that you can't even be objective about the reality of the coaching performance of your man crush - Crean was awful in that game against Kansas, much like he was against Syracuse 2 years ago.  Buzz was awful all of last season.  I loved Buzz, supported him, but certainly didn't let my mancrush on him, skew my view of his performance.  That's the reality I live in - you? 

And btw - your arrogance regarding wage rate and reality/rationality is just flat out cheesy.  New Jersey cheesy.  Then again, wouldn't expect much more from a Jersey dude.  You been hanging with "The Situation" this summer?