New Islamic centers in US

[ATWizJr]

Looks like Minneapolis and Detroit have become centers for Islamic Radical Recruitment.  Actually, didn't UCONN have a guard from MN named EL-Amin about 15 years ago?

[Henry Sugar]

[Chicago_inferiority_complexes]

Looks like Minneapolis and Detroit have become centers for Islamic Radical Recruitment.  Actually, didn't UCONN have a guard from MN named EL-Amin about 15 years ago?

How can you post this comment without referring to the Cincy player Muhammed Jihad?

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Mpls has a large community of Eastern Africa immigrants who sought political asylum, etc over the years.  It is this communities children who have interest, are getting recruited and returning (i.e. grew up pretty much entirely in the states and finding connection with radical elements).  There have been some very good articles written about this situation many years old at this point....just now refocused due to the US citizen's death in Syria.  I am sure the folks from Minnie on this board are not surprised.

Don't know why Khalid El-amin has anything to do with the sad situation above.

[WI inferiority Complexes]

Other people sure do have funny names.

[warriorchick]

Detroit also has a huge Islamic community in the Dearborn area.  If I recall correctly, there was a constitutional case regarding a Dearborn Mosque's right to blast the call to prayer over loudspeakers 5 times a day.

[ATWizJr]

Mpls has a large community of Eastern Africa immigrants who sought political asylum, etc over the years.  It is this communities children who have interest, are getting recruited and returning (i.e. grew up pretty much entirely in the states and finding connection with radical elements).  There have been some very good articles written about this situation many years old at this point....just now refocused due to the US citizen's death in Syria.  I am sure the folks from Minnie on this board are not surprised.

Don't know why Khalid El-amin has anything to do with the sad situation above.

Having grown up in MKE in the 50's-60's on the south side, I didn't encounter many (any) persons of Islamic persuasion.  Most immigrants at that time were displaced persons from eastern Europe.  Met plenty of Scandinavians in my brief encounters in MN but no persons of Islamic persuasion.  Then saw that this kid from UConn had a middle eastern sounding name and was surprised he was from MN.  Now apparently two MN muslims have been killed in Syria. Not as odd as I thought to be living in the frozen north and to have emigrated from traditionally warmer climes.  I guess I would have expected Somalis to be attracted to warmer locales.

Just my naiveté..

[ATWizJr]

Detroit also has a huge Islamic community in the Dearborn area.  If I recall correctly, there was a constitutional case regarding a Dearborn Mosque's right to blast the call to prayer over loudspeakers 5 times a day.

Decision?

[warriorchick]

Decision?

It was allowed.  Now the fair citizens of Dearborn are awakened at 5:10 a.m. to the amplified voice of someone chanting "Allah Akbar".

[brandx]

Moderator,

Can we just set up a "We Hate Muslims" thread where certain people can voice their displeasure - and the other 90% of us here can ignore?

[ATWizJr]

Moderator,

Can we just set up a "We Hate Muslims" thread where certain people can voice their displeasure - and the other 90% of us here can ignore?

have yet to see any hate registered in this thread.  Like your suggestion about establishing an ignore feature, oh wait….

[ATL MU Warrior]

how tall are they?  Can they hit a 15-footer?

[keefe]

how tall are they?  Can they hit a 15-footer?

Excellent catch!

[swoopem]

Detroit/Dearborn has a ton of Muslims. We also have a sh!t load of Chaleans in metro Detroit which are Catholic Iraqis. No one outside the Detroit area knows what Chaleans are so trying to explain them is kind of funny, but they're good people.

[Coleman]

nm. nothing good can come from this thread

[ATWizJr]

Associating people with Arabic last names with radical terrorists is no more fair than associating everyone with an Italian last name with organized crime.

We are Marquette educated, and we are better than that. So let's not.

Catholic churches have been allowed to blast their bell chimes all over cities. I'll admit I'm glad I am not within earshot of the Muslim call to prayer every morning at 5 am but I see nothing unconstitutional about it.

 Who is associating Arabic surnames with radical terror?  For myself, I was just surprised to learn that there was a sizable Arabic population in what I thought was a Scandinavian dominated locale.  Nothing more.  But I can see taking a closer look at the airport at young men that look like they may be of middle eastern descent and letting the old Busias through with little scrutiny , aina?

[Chicago_inferiority_complexes]

Detroit/Dearborn has a ton of Muslims. We also have a sh!t load of Chaleans in metro Detroit which are Catholic Iraqis. No one outside the Detroit area knows what Chaleans are so trying to explain them is kind of funny, but they're good people.

Met a few in Wisconsin. Good people. Sorry to see that they had to get kicked out of their homes.

[Skatastrophy]

Met a few in Wisconsin. Good people. Sorry to see that they had to get kicked out of their homes.

Yeah, that would really suck being thrust into a place where you're the minority just because your government/region sucks. It'd be like if we had to go back to Conference USA /shudder.

[MU82]

In before the lock.

[keefe]

Detroit/Dearborn has a ton of Muslims. We also have a sh!t load of Chaleans in metro Detroit which are Catholic Iraqis. No one outside the Detroit area knows what Chaleans are so trying to explain them is kind of funny, but they're good people.

A couple of our terps in Iraq were Chaldean. What was genuinely sad is that they knew their time in Iraq was over, especially those working with MNC-I. After thousands of years in Mesopotamia these good, decent people were being forced to flee because they followed the wrong God. The fortunate ones were those with family in Detroit, Toledo, and Chicago.

Say what you will but for centuries Iraq was a center of religious tolerance and pluralism, even under Saddam. During the Baathist era Jews and Christians openly worshipped and held positions of power and influence in both the public and private sectors. If there was religious discord it was between the minority Sunnis who held power and the majority Shiites who were socially and economically repressed.

One of the worst aspects of Bush's OIF Gambit was the loss of religious tolerance in Iraqi society. Americans are horrified by what happened to James Foley, and rightfully so, but anyone who has been in Iraq after 2004 has seen far worse on an order of magnitude that is incomprehensible.

What has been transpiring there in the name of God defies description and haunts the sleep of those who made it back. Every night every AFSOC dude I know downs a Prazosin to hold the wolves at bay.  

[JWags85]

Detroit/Dearborn has a ton of Muslims. We also have a sh!t load of Chaleans in metro Detroit which are Catholic Iraqis. No one outside the Detroit area knows what Chaleans are so trying to explain them is kind of funny, but they're good people.

I had never heard of Chaldeans until I became good friends with a guy from Detroit in college.  I thought it was a derogatory term until I found out what it meant.  Pretty sure Miss America a few years ago from Detroit was a member of that group.

[keefe]

I had never heard of Chaldeans until I became good friends with a guy from Detroit in college.  I thought it was a derogatory term until I found out what it meant.  Pretty sure Miss America a few years ago from Detroit was a member of that group.

It would be criminal to hide this behind a burqa. The guy who gets to unwrap this every night is a lucky man.

[rocket surgeon]

speaking of dearborn, their mulsim influence is quite large-so much so that this long time(35 years) successful wrestling coach was possibly fired for his religion-yes this happened in america-just saying

http://www.abpnews.com/archives/item/4266-christian-coach-says-muslim-principal-fired-him-over-religion

[4everwarriors]

Crash, you rang, man?
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[Benny B]

A couple of our terps in Iraq were Chaldean. What was genuinely sad is that they knew their time in Iraq was over, especially those working with MNC-I. After thousands of years in Mesopotamia these good, decent people were being forced to flee because they followed the wrong God. The fortunate ones were those with family in Detroit, Toledo, and Chicago.

Muslims, Jews and Christians all follow the same god... otherwise, why all the fighting?

Think about it... kids argue about whose dad can beat up the other kid's dad, though nobody actually throws punches over it.  But siblings clamoring for attention from their parents won't hesitate to break out the claws and teeth.

That's what religious discord is... children of the same god fighting about who can be a better ass-kisser.

[brandx]

Muslims, Jews and Christians all follow the same god... otherwise, why all the fighting?

Think about it... kids argue about whose dad can beat up the other kid's dad, though nobody actually throws punches over it.  But siblings clamoring for attention from their parents won't hesitate to break out the claws and teeth.

That's what religious discord is... children of the same god fighting about who can be a better ass-kisser.

Well put.

Believing in God isn't the problem. Having these powerful cults to tell people how they need to manifest that belief is, however.

[keefe]

Muslims, Jews and Christians all follow the same god... otherwise, why all the fighting?

Think about it... kids argue about whose dad can beat up the other kid's dad, though nobody actually throws punches over it.  But siblings clamoring for attention from their parents won't hesitate to break out the claws and teeth.

That's what religious discord is... children of the same god fighting about who can be a better ass-kisser.

You'd think. But listen to the polemic coming out of the madrassas in SW Asia and you would be a bit more cynical about your universalism

[4everwarriors]

Where's Waldo?

[Benny B]

You'd think. But listen to the polemic coming out of the madrassas in SW Asia and you would be a bit more cynical about your universalism

Actually, that fits the analogy perfectly.  Said marassas are merely the teenager who tells her parents she hates them and wishes she had never been born when deep down all she wants is her dad's attention.

If you live in SW Asia with a bunch of sand and camels, you'd probably think God isn't paying much attention to you, and so you go around dressing in black, acting out for attention, and threatening to martyr yourself as payback. 

In other words, these ISIS morons are simply the goth chick in the world's nuclear family.

[Coleman]

Actually, that fits the analogy perfectly.  Said marassas are merely the teenager who tells her parents she hates them and wishes she had never been born when deep down all she wants is her dad's attention.

If you live in SW Asia with a bunch of sand and camels, you'd probably think God isn't paying much attention to you, and so you go around dressing in black, acting out for attention, and threatening to martyr yourself as payback. 

In other words, these ISIS morons are simply the goth chick in the world's nuclear family.

Very well said.

[rocket surgeon]

isis, isil, al queda, whatever you want to call them are not a religion under the more commonly held interpretation which i believe to be a collection of beliefs toward which lead to a better life. o.k., a better life according to who?  well i suppose isis et. al. truly believe what they are doing is just that. however, they are a violent, evil, barbaric, nonhuman, etc. group of individuals demanding control over a populace under the guise of a "religion".  hence the phrase, he/she is a religious person.  well i guess the isis dudes are "religious" too then?  isis,  i would submit is really a political movement operating under the pretense of religion.  if i were truly muslim, i would be screaming from the mountain top against these evil groups as they are contaminating their own cause and allowing the formation of the biases that shadow them

[ChicosBailBonds]

isis, isil, al queda, whatever you want to call them are not a religion under the more commonly held interpretation which i believe to be a collection of beliefs toward which lead to a better life. o.k., a better life according to who?  well i suppose isis et. al. truly believe what they are doing is just that. however, they are a violent, evil, barbaric, nonhuman, etc. group of individuals demanding control over a populace under the guise of a "religion".  hence the phrase, he/she is a religious person.  well i guess the isis dudes are "religious" too then?  isis,  i would submit is really a political movement operating under the pretense of religion.  if i were truly muslim, i would be screaming from the mountain top against these evil groups as they are contaminating their own cause and allowing the formation of the biases that shadow them

Are you referring to the "JV"?

[Lennys Tap]

isis,  i would submit is really a political movement operating under the pretense of religion.  if i were truly muslim, i would be screaming from the mountain top against these evil groups as they are contaminating their own cause and allowing the formation of the biases that shadow them

Problem is, you don't hear (or at least I haven't) all that many Muslims "screaming from the mountain tops" about the evil that is Isis or Al Qaeda. Whether it's fear, sympathy with the cause or something else, most of the Islamic world has been pretty quiet.

[rocket surgeon]

Problem is, you don't hear (or at least I haven't) all that many Muslims "screaming from the mountain tops" about the evil that is Isis or Al Qaeda. Whether it's fear, sympathy with the cause or something else, most of the Islamic world has been pretty quiet.

my guess and i would hope their silence is due to a fear of reprisal, but some will argue that saying or doing nothing can also be an act of compliance or allegiance from the "jv" team trying to be kobe

[brandx]

isis, isil, al queda, whatever you want to call them are not a religion under the more commonly held interpretation which i believe to be a collection of beliefs toward which lead to a better life. o.k., a better life according to who?  well i suppose isis et. al. truly believe what they are doing is just that. however, they are a violent, evil, barbaric, nonhuman, etc. group of individuals demanding control over a populace under the guise of a "religion".  hence the phrase, he/she is a religious person.  well i guess the isis dudes are "religious" too then?  isis,  i would submit is really a political movement operating under the pretense of religion.  if i were truly muslim, i would be screaming from the mountain top against these evil groups as they are contaminating their own cause and allowing the formation of the biases that shadow them

Well since you are a white christian, you can do the next best thing. Get up on that mountaintop and scream out that you are tired of our country killing muslims by the thousands. Or, get up their and scream that you are tired of white cops targeting blacks for the crime of being black.

If you're not shouting about it - you are supporting it. I think that is your logic.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Problem is, you don't hear (or at least I haven't) all that many Muslims "screaming from the mountain tops" about the evil that is Isis or Al Qaeda. Whether it's fear, sympathy with the cause or something else, most of the Islamic world has been pretty quiet.

Yes they do, just because the mainstream news isn't reporting it, most Muslims are against it.  This is why I'm not going to brand all of them under one umbrella.  I work with these people, they find no joy in the actions of the crazies.   I doubt most Catholics and Protestants were thrilled with bombings in Northern Ireland for years, either.

I'm more worried about how to deal with the crazies....sure sounds like "we don't have a strategy".

[rocket surgeon]

Yes they do, just because the mainstream news isn't reporting it, most Muslims are against it.  This is why I'm not going to brand all of them under one umbrella.  I work with these people, they find no joy in the actions of the crazies.   I doubt most Catholics and Protestants were thrilled with bombings in Northern Ireland for years, either.

I'm more worried about how to deal with the crazies....sure sounds like "we don't have a strategy".

that is good to hear that most muslims are against the jihadists-thanks for that.  as for brandy, i don't know where that came from??    he sounds a little angry again.

[Coleman]

Yes they do, just because the mainstream news isn't reporting it, most Muslims are against it.  This is why I'm not going to brand all of them under one umbrella.  I work with these people, they find no joy in the actions of the crazies.   I doubt most Catholics and Protestants were thrilled with bombings in Northern Ireland for years, either.

I'm more worried about how to deal with the crazies....sure sounds like "we don't have a strategy".

We agree on something!

[ChicosBailBonds]

We agree on something!

I hope your guy finds that strategy soon.   Imagine the ease of which people with very bad intentions are walking over our borders each and every day.  It's going to take another 9/11 for some people in this country to wake up and actually enforce the laws on the books, but until that happens it's all about cheap labor for one side and power\future dependent voters on the other.  Criminal

[keefe]

Criminal

Police brutality

[GGGG]

I hope your guy finds that strategy soon.   Imagine the ease of which people with very bad intentions are walking over our borders each and every day.  It's going to take another 9/11 for some people in this country to wake up and actually enforce the laws on the books, but until that happens it's all about cheap labor for one side and power\future dependent voters on the other.  Criminal

9/11 terrorists were legal immigrants.

But hey, why not roll up all your talking points into one nice little sentence to show your ignorance.

[brandx]

that is good to hear that most muslims are against the jihadists-thanks for that.  as for brandy, i don't know where that came from??    he sounds a little angry again.

Maybe a little ranty

My point was that most of us do not scream from the mountaintop when this country does something reprehensible. Why do we expect Muslims to do it then?

[rocket surgeon]

Maybe a little ranty

My point was that most of us do not scream from the mountaintop when this country does something reprehensible. Why do we expect Muslims to do it then?

ok, "scream from the mountain tops" was probably over stating it, but let's just say, being a little more vocal about it

[brandx]

ok, "scream from the mountain tops" was probably over stating it, but let's just say, being a little more vocal about it

I,  too, wish they would be more vocal about it.

[rocket surgeon]

9/11 terrorists were legal immigrants.

But hey, why not roll up all your talking points into one nice little sentence to show your ignorance.

not so sure about that...one was on student visa and the rest were in on tourist or business visas.  i believe they were over staying these visas too, but not positive about that
http://www.factcheck.org/2013/05/911-hijackers-and-student-visas/

[ChicosBailBonds]

not so sure about that...one was on student visa and the rest were in on tourist or business visas.  i believe they were over staying these visas too, but not positive about that
http://www.factcheck.org/2013/05/911-hijackers-and-student-visas/

Three were here on overstayed visas....the 20th "hijacker" (Moussauoi) also was beyond his visa terms.

Thanks for quoting Sultan, I figured he wouldn't get it.    I never said the 9/11 terrorists were illegal immigrants.  The problem is that our borders are such a joke, that having someone come in to do damage through that sieve is more likely than someone going through an airplane checkpoint, etc.  Especially with the policy of the last 20+ years.

It's about the enforcement of who comes and goes, which we don't have a handle on at all.  It will take a 9/11 type incident to wake people up.  If such an incident happens and it is proven how those folks came in to do their dirty work...that was the point and an easy one to understand.


“A review of ISIS social media messaging during the week ending August 26 shows that militants are expressing an increased interest in the notion that they could clandestinely infiltrate the southwest border of US, for terror attack,” warns the Texas Department of Public Safety "situational awareness" bulletin."

“Social media account holders believed to be ISIS militants and propagandists have called for unspecified border operations, or they have sought to raise awareness that illegal entry through Mexico is a viable option,” states the law enforcement bulletin, which is not classified.

Intelligence officials have picked up radio talk and chatter indicating that the terrorist groups are going to “carry out an attack on the border,” according to one JW source.  “It’s coming very soon,” according to this high-level source, who clearly identified the groups planning the plots as “ISIS and Al Qaeda.” An attack is so imminent that the commanding general at Ft. Bliss, the U.S. Army post in El Paso, is being briefed, another source confirms. The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) did not respond to multiple inquiries from Judicial Watch, both telephonic and in writing, about this information.

[GGGG]

You know why Chicos didn't provide a link for this story?

Because it was from The Blaze.  LOL.  Of course...

Obviously we need a better immigration policy.  There are all sorts of compromises that both sides could make to get us there but obviously both sides would rather play politics than come up with something workable.  However ISIS coming across our borders isn't not really that much of a concern...political scaremongering.

[GGGG]

not so sure about that...one was on student visa and the rest were in on tourist or business visas.  i believe they were over staying these visas too, but not positive about that
http://www.factcheck.org/2013/05/911-hijackers-and-student-visas/

You are correct.  They didn't enter the country illegally however.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Police brutality

Union thuggery

[keefe]

Union thuggery

Jack Booted Federal Thugs

[rocket surgeon]

You are correct.  They didn't enter the country illegally however.

yes, but we need to keep track of these guys a little better.  we are a little too tolerant and lazy about this.  look where it got us-9/11.  unfortunately, we don't seem to learn from history and it may take another one of some sort to wake us up again?  i sure hope not, but...

[WellsstreetWanderer]

Brandy
Police shooting black youths is an urban myth. With over 34,000 arrests per day in the U.S. The number of police shootings overall is in the low single digests. That includes the overwhelming times that they are shot at first. You'd  be nervous too. I sat on a jury where police where sued after a shooting where they were in a car and a guy came out of his house firing at them.

[GGGG]

Brandy
Police shooting black youths is an urban myth. With over 34,000 arrests per day in the U.S. The number of police shootings overall is in the low single digests. That includes the overwhelming times that they are shot at first. You'd  be nervous too. I sat on a jury where police where sued after a shooting where they were in a car and a guy came out of his house firing at them.

Bad grammar.  Bad math.  Anecdotal evidence.

Great post.

[keefe]

a guy came out of his house firing at them.

[MU82]

Run! Run for the hills!

Run now, while you still have a chance!

[GGGG]

Run! Run for the hills!

Run now, while you still have a chance!

I'll let our fellow MU alum handle this one...

"Look, I have no illusions about the barbarians over there. But this is starting to sound like Saddam's balsa-wood escadrille that was going to come over and drop anthrax bombs on the Little League World Series. You close your eyes and listen and, very soon, you get the image of people running around in circles, looking for a goat to sacrifice, reading the signs left by flocks of birds, and pleading with the sun god to enfold us in his arms. Rap music? Honky, please. Can everyone just settle the fk down?"

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/The_Gobcrapes_Get_Nervous?src=spr_TWITTER&spr_id=1456_84186396

[ChicosBailBonds]

ok, "scream from the mountain tops" was probably over stating it, but let's just say, being a little more vocal about it

Here are a few examples....the outrage is there worldwide, but our press just doesn't cover it.  Lenny will say that is me covering for the killers or whatever claptrap he said the other day. No, it means that I work with Muslims, listen to them and they are outraged over what is going on.  I refuse to paint all of them with the same brush.

You can scream from the mountain tops all you want, but if there is no one there to record it and tell people you are screaming, not sure anyone knows.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/muslim-leaders-worldwide-condemn-isis/5397364

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/08/171666-muslims-denounce-isis-enemies-humanity-dearborn-michigan/

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2014/08/26/muslims-condemn-isis-as-enemies-of-humanity-at-michigan-rally-141341

http://khabarsoutheastasia.com/en_GB/articles/apwi/articles/features/2014/08/29/feature-03

[MU82]

I work with Muslims, listen to them and they are outraged over what is going on.  I refuse to paint all of them with the same brush.

Who has the time? I mean, you're much too busy painting Redskin-loving Native Americans with the same brush!

Just funnin' at ya ... couldn't resist.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Who has the time? I mean, you're much too busy painting Redskin-loving Native Americans with the same brush!

Just funnin' at ya ... couldn't resist.

I just wish it was funny.  Just funnin' at ya.    

Some Native Americans are against the Redskins name, most are not against it. 

Some Muslims are doing jumping jacks over the deaths of Americans and westerners.  Most are not.  You're never going to find 100% agreement on anything...ever.

That's the way life is. 

[77ncaachamps]

I just wish it was funny.  Just funnin' at ya.    

Some Native Americans are against the Redskins name, most are not against it. 

Some Muslims are doing jumping jacks over the deaths of Americans and westerners.  Most are not.  You're never going to find 100% agreement on anything...ever.

That's the way life is. 

And then there are the Notre Dame fans...

[rocket surgeon]

Here are a few examples....the outrage is there worldwide, but our press just doesn't cover it.  Lenny will say that is me covering for the killers or whatever claptrap he said the other day. No, it means that I work with Muslims, listen to them and they are outraged over what is going on.  I refuse to paint all of them with the same brush.

You can scream from the mountain tops all you want, but if there is no one there to record it and tell people you are screaming, not sure anyone knows.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/muslim-leaders-worldwide-condemn-isis/5397364

serious question-why wouldn't our "mainstream" media(not to get political here, but most would overwhelmingly classify as-well, it starts with an L) not want to report the outrage of mainstream muslims against the extremist al queda, isis, et.al.?   

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/08/171666-muslims-denounce-isis-enemies-humanity-dearborn-michigan/

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2014/08/26/muslims-condemn-isis-as-enemies-of-humanity-at-michigan-rally-141341

http://khabarsoutheastasia.com/en_GB/articles/apwi/articles/features/2014/08/29/feature-03

[GGGG]

serious question-why wouldn't our "mainstream" media(not to get political here, but most would overwhelmingly classify as-well, it starts with an L) not want to report the outrage of mainstream muslims against the extremist al queda, isis, et.al.?

Because is that really a news story?

[Benny B]

Because is that really a news story?

Exactly... the role of the mainstream media is to scaremonger, enflame, and stoke controversary, because that's - wait for it - what catches people's attention these days.

Nobody wants to hear about the lady living on social security who donated her last $100 to the March of Dimes.  They want to hear about the thug who stole $10 from the March of Dimes collection jar at 7-Eleven.

[keefe]

They want to hear about the thug

police?

[Benny B]

police?

That would make for a much juicier story, for sure.