Email from WOJO

[MUUWUWM]

Chicos - Let it go man....6 years later since Crean is gone, and you still have to defend and champion the guy at any and every turn.  I did the same for Buzz...his first 5 years...but obviously turned on him last season...and rightfully so.

Yet, I am quite curious if you will now take up the mantle of defending Buzz Williams as you did for Tom Crean after his departure?  If not, why?  Both made great contributions to the program during their tenure.  Somehow, I doubt you'll take up for Buzz...and I just am going to ask in advance, why not?  What's the difference between the two?



Why even go there?...let it go yourself.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Chicos - Let it go man....6 years later since Crean is gone, and you still have to defend and champion the guy at any and every turn.  I did the same for Buzz...his first 5 years...but obviously turned on him last season...and rightfully so.

Yet, I am quite curious if you will now take up the mantle of defending Buzz Williams as you did for Tom Crean after his departure?  If not, why?  Both made great contributions to the program during their tenure.  Somehow, I doubt you'll take up for Buzz...and I just am going to ask in advance, why not?  What's the difference between the two?

1) I didn't start the Crean stuff in this thread

2) If someone is saying something inaccurate about Buzz like they have Crean time and time here, absolutely I will "defend" him (to me, its not defending, its speaking the truth which often is thrown in the trash heap around here when it comes to talking about certain coaches).  There is no difference at all, except that I suspect with Buzz you will have several "defenders" that will beat me to it.

3) As an aside, I suspect that there will be almost no threads about Buzz's skin color, his wife in any context, his kids in any context, etc.  Though I could be wrong.

4) I didn't even bother going to the 5th post started here about the top 50 coaches, did you bother to give them the "he's been gone 6 years" speech?   

[NersEllenson]

1) I didn't start the Crean stuff in this thread

2) If someone is saying something inaccurate about Buzz like they have Crean time and time here, absolutely I will "defend" him (to me, its not defending, its speaking the truth which often is thrown in the trash heap around here when it comes to talking about certain coaches).  There is no difference at all, except that I suspect with Buzz you will have several "defenders" that will beat me to it.

3) As an aside, I suspect that there will be almost no threads about Buzz's skin color, his wife in any context, his kids in any context, etc.  Though I could be wrong.

Uhh...okay.

But...Buzz has been ripped pretty good here since his departure...the panic room in his house, his weirdness, him looking like Curly, etc.  But let's face it Chicos - Man Tanning is just not very honorable - especially not for a grown ass man like Tom Crean!!

[GGGG]

Chicos - Let it go man....

I think my irony meter just blew up.

[77ncaachamps]

I'm sorry but this man's failure to acknowledge MU Scoop as foundational bed rock for our beloved Warrior Basketball Program is an egregious oversight that shant be overlooked. His unwillingness to cite Scoop's pivotal role in his adjustment to head coaching responsibilities suggests certain insecurities.  

We must then present him with the muscle that is MUScoop. A fat check collected from the pennies and dollars Scoopers can donate.

Or a Scoop designed shirt personalized with his name on it.

Go with the shirt.

[keefe]

his wife in any context

I believe that Mrs. Williams' curious habit of scouring the interwebs and media for unflattering comments about her spouse was scrutinized here on Scoop and found to be ludicrous if not grotesque. Ms. Joanie never exhibited such ridiculous behavior; she is guilty merely of being both a Harbaugh and bearing an unfortunate resemblance to the coach of the Niners.

Sins of Commission and Omission. Between the two I find Corey Williams' cynical manipulation of legitimate discourse to be the more pathetic, and in some ways, the more dangerous. Thank God that psychotic couple packed up the Conestoga and went back south of the Mason-Dixon Line.

[4everwarriors]

Crean sucks

[Coleman]

I'm sorry but this man's failure to acknowledge MU Scoop as foundational bed rock for our beloved Warrior Basketball Program is an egregious oversight that shant be overlooked. His unwillingness to cite Scoop's pivotal role in his adjustment to head coaching responsibilities suggests certain insecurities.  

Yet again you make me crack up next to my bewildered betrothed.

Well done.

[MUEng92]

Well my daughter and I got to meet Coach Wojo tonight.  Seems like a god guy based on all of 45 secs.  I was able to take her photo with the coach, Steve Novak and Travis Diener.  I have a feeling the photo with the coach from last year's BBQ in the MU collage in my basement will be replaced sooner rather than later. 

Best part of the night might have been the ride home retelling my daughter about the 2003 Tournament and Novak's game against UCONN.  Good times!

[ChicosBailBonds]

Uhh...okay.

But...Buzz has been ripped pretty good here since his departure...the panic room in his house, his weirdness, him looking like Curly, etc.  But let's face it Chicos - Man Tanning is just not very honorable - especially not for a grown ass man like Tom Crean!!

I have no idea if he is tanning or not, certainly a lot of people love to make that claim.  Was Barry Alvarez?  Has this ever been proven?  There's been so much bullshyte info over the years out there that one wonders what is actually true.

At any rate, the bigger question for me is whether folks will bring up Buzz for the next 6 years, because they certainly can't let it go here.  Will he be ripped on for the next 6 years, often with stuff that is plain imaginary?  Guess we'll find out.  Certainly anyone that dares to correct the record will be called a defender as a result. 

In the end, at least I have a Final Four memory, a Big East conference invite, a new practice center, etc to help me sleep at night as a result of that regime...not a hint of Front Page treachery or major squirminess going on.  Looking forward to Wojo doing the same.

[Texas Western]

I like that he pushed to upgrade the locker room at the Al. It is a little thing but it means a lot to the team. Excellent letter and he is very much on focus.

[NersEllenson]

I think my irony meter just blew up.

A very par for the course offering from you Sultan.  The only difference between being able to let go of course is in one example....the wounds are just less than 4 months old....the other of course is now going on 6 years. 

And btw...you know what I find ironic?  That you hazed me for being so pro-Buzz the first 1-2  years of his tenure...as I was on record early saying he was the real deal and going to be good....and remained very loyal to Buzz until this past season in December...when it was clearly evident that he was "off," and ironically...you were all about Buzz this past season and supporting him at every turn.  And in the end, that proved ridiculous.  Buzz revealed his true colors/character.  Some people tend to recognize things sooner than others, and have a good intuition - clearly, you struggle in this regard.  You are the classic late adopter....buys on the high..sells on the low.

[Galway Eagle]

1) I didn't start the Crean stuff in this thread

2) If someone is saying something inaccurate about Buzz like they have Crean time and time here, absolutely I will "defend" him (to me, its not defending, its speaking the truth which often is thrown in the trash heap around here when it comes to talking about certain coaches).  There is no difference at all, except that I suspect with Buzz you will have several "defenders" that will beat me to it.

3) As an aside, I suspect that there will be almost no threads about Buzz's skin color, his wife in any context, his kids in any context, etc.  Though I could be wrong.

4) I didn't even bother going to the 5th post started here about the top 50 coaches, did you bother to give them the "he's been gone 6 years" speech?   

At a certain point don't you have to just accept that all the "correcting" isn't actually doing anything except dragging out threads and getting them off topic but isn't actually stopping anybody from making crean jokes. 

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

Will he be ripped on for the next 6 years, often with stuff that is plain imaginary?

I'm curious what imaginary criticisms Crean endures? The camp awards given to his son? The judo outfit? The hyperbaric chamber? The gold Hummers? Leaving Seniors at home and bringing freshmen to media day in NYC? The banners? The list is so long nothing needs to be imagined.

As to your question about Alvarez and tanning. I'm not sure if he does, but it wouldn't surprise me if he did and if he and Crean actually discussed it. Does that mean it's not beyond effeminate?

[Silkk the Shaka]

Chicos - Let it go man....6 years later since Crean is gone, and you still have to defend and champion the guy at any and every turn.  I did the same for Buzz...his first 5 years...but obviously turned on him last season...and rightfully so.

Yet, I am quite curious if you will now take up the mantle of defending Buzz Williams as you did for Tom Crean after his departure?  If not, why?  Both made great contributions to the program during their tenure.  Somehow, I doubt you'll take up for Buzz...and I just am going to ask in advance, why not?  What's the difference between the two?

It's a simple answer. Chicos worked for Crean. Like his previous boss, he is an insufferable name dropper. The better Crean looks in the annals of MU history, and the better Crean does at IU, the more weight his name carries. That way, Chicos can maximize the name when he shoehorns it into discussion, rather than being met with the reaction of, "you worked for THAT a-hole?" or, more likely, "Who?"

[Silkk the Shaka]

Thank God, it would be coming up on 40 years since the last FF if we had not.

Crapshoot.

[Silkk the Shaka]

I was initially skeptical of the Wojo hire, but he gets an A for the first 90 days. Won the presser, got almost immediate buy-in from the current roster, kept a key 2014 recruit, kept a key 2015 commit in the fold, added two nice transfer pieces, and got a commitment from a rising skilled big. And he has obviously said all the right things to date.

On top of that he gets bonus points for how the Jabari to Milwaukee thing played out (even though that was obviously out of his control). It's pretty clear he has a great relationship with a guy the caliber of which MU can only currently dream of landing. That can 1.) Be used as part of a recruiting pitch to other 5* players and 2.) Is a positive sign that he can build the necessary relationships to land a player in that tier.

If he can take this momentum of the first 90 days and translate it to the recruiting trail and the hardwood this season and beyond, we got ourselves a great one. Excited to see how the next 90 days play out.

[willie warrior]

That's fine.  You can't lose the Super Bowl unless you get there.  You can't lose the Final Four unless you get there.  You can't get on the medal stand unless you compete for a medal.

Players play, coaches coach.  Sometimes shots don't go in, often the best teams don't win.  That day, we didn't play well and the best team won.  I'm just glad we aren't going on our 38th year since the Final Four.  I'm also glad we are playing in the Big East, also glad we have the McGuire Center and have some really great NBA alums as a result. 

And we can all be thankful for Al putting MU on the college BB map. And for O'niell and then Crean for re-directing MU. And for Buzz finding the door.

[willie warrior]

I'm curious what imaginary criticisms Crean endures? The camp awards given to his son? The judo outfit? The hyperbaric chamber? The gold Hummers? Leaving Seniors at home and bringing freshmen to media day in NYC? The banners? The list is so long nothing needs to be imagined.

As to your question about Alvarez and tanning. I'm not sure if he does, but it wouldn't surprise me if he did and if he and Crean actually discussed it. Does that mean it's not beyond effeminate?

In another 2 years, Crean will be pressing Harbaugh's Walmart dozens of Khaki pants for a living. Hell, rumor is that he is already doing it.

[avid1010]

Crean sucks

+1, he's a prick, too.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

A very par for the course offering from you Sultan.  The only difference between being able to let go of course is in one example....the wounds are just less than 4 months old....the other of course is now going on 6 years. 

And btw...you know what I find ironic?  That you hazed me for being so pro-Buzz the first 1-2  years of his tenure...as I was on record early saying he was the real deal and going to be good....and remained very loyal to Buzz until this past season in December...when it was clearly evident that he was "off," and ironically...you were all about Buzz this past season and supporting him at every turn.  And in the end, that proved ridiculous.  Buzz revealed his true colors/character.  Some people tend to recognize things sooner than others, and have a good intuition - clearly, you struggle in this regard.  You are the classic late adopter....buys on the high..sells on the low.

[Lennys Tap]

I'm curious what imaginary criticisms Crean endures? The camp awards given to his son? The judo outfit? The hyperbaric chamber? The gold Hummers? Leaving Seniors at home and bringing freshmen to media day in NYC? The banners? The list is so long nothing needs to be imagined.

As to your question about Alvarez and tanning. I'm not sure if he does, but it wouldn't surprise me if he did and if he and Crean actually discussed it. Does that mean it's not beyond effeminate?

+1000. Throw in his routine bullying of anyone he perceived as his inferior (secretaries, waitresses, etc.), the constant name dropping, blow by handshakes, not showing up to postgame shows after losses, throwing everyone but himself under the bus in pressers after losses, out of control rants at stunned opposing coaches after what should have been a big win, embarrassing tweets (including a doozy to what is assumed to be a teenage boy) and scores of other things. No need to make stuff up - the guy's a prick with ears.

[Dawson Rental]

I just hope that BigDaddy84 had Wojo's permission to post his email....

[Lennys Tap]

I have no idea if he is tanning or not, certainly a lot of people love to make that claim.  Was Barry Alvarez?  Has this ever been proven? 

LOL. Proven? Proven, as does anyone have pictures of him in sweats and maybe a fake mustache sneaking out of an LA Tanning Salon?

[GGGG]

A very par for the course offering from you Sultan.  The only difference between being able to let go of course is in one example....the wounds are just less than 4 months old....the other of course is now going on 6 years.  

And btw...you know what I find ironic?  That you hazed me for being so pro-Buzz the first 1-2  years of his tenure...as I was on record early saying he was the real deal and going to be good....and remained very loyal to Buzz until this past season in December...when it was clearly evident that he was "off," and ironically...you were all about Buzz this past season and supporting him at every turn.  And in the end, that proved ridiculous.  Buzz revealed his true colors/character.  Some people tend to recognize things sooner than others, and have a good intuition - clearly, you struggle in this regard.  You are the classic late adopter....buys on the high..sells on the low.

No what I haze you on is either you are "all in" or "all out."  Early on Buzz could do no wrong in your eyes.  Last year he could do nothing right.

The truth is that he isn't as good as you initially thought, and he isn't as bad as you think he was last year.  He's a good coach, with a number of faults.  Just like Crean and 99% of the other good coaches out there.  Wojo will probably be the same.

I don't get so high...and I don't get so low.