Why Wojo Is Going To Be Great!

[GGGG]

Incorrect. The Anglican orders have been declared null and void and affirmed as such very recently by Benedict. Catholics cannot receive the sacraments from Anglican clergy. Period.

Sure they can.  I don't think God really cares.

[Galway Eagle]

I'm good with anyone. Doesn't pay me no mind if they're blue, green, black, or red. Same with whomever you choose to worship. We all have our reasons hey?

That's what I always said till I met a scientologist...

[leever]

Sure they can.  I don't think God really cares.

I don't think God cares either, but if you subscribe to the tenet that the Pope is infallible when speaking on matters of faith, and he says that Catholics cannot receive sacraments from the Anglicans.......................................

[Chicago_inferiority_complexes]

Sure they can.  I don't think God really cares.

Thanks but I'll pass on accepting a non-Catholic's theological comments on Catholic doctrine.

[Coleman]

I don't think God cares either, but if you subscribe to the tenet that the Pope is infallible when speaking on matters of faith, and he says that Catholics cannot receive sacraments from the Anglicans.......................................

I'm pretty sure Pope Frank thinks otherwise and will probably change this ruling if he has the time. He is quite ecumenically-minded.

Personally I think the whole debate is silly. Everyone should be able to receive the sacraments, as long as they receive them in good will. Anglicans, Lutherans, evangelicals, etc.

Pope Frank: "Everyone can share in some way in the life of the Church; everyone can be part of the community, nor should the doors of the sacraments be closed for simply any reason. The Eucharist, although it is the fullness of sacramental life, is not a prize for the perfect but a powerful medicine and nourishment for the weak."

[Chicago_inferiority_complexes]

Yes, others can receive the sacraments if they accept the Catholic faith as valid. I don't know why they would want them otherwise.

But Catholics cannot receive the "sacraments" of Protestant religions. Simple doctrine.

[Coleman]

Yes, others can receive the sacraments if they accept the Catholic faith as valid. I don't know why they would want them otherwise.

But Catholics cannot receive the "sacraments" of Protestant religions. Simple doctrine.

Sort of a moot point because most Protestant denominations do not have the sacraments as such. Those that do, Lutheran, Anglican, etc. I disagree, Catholics should be able to sit at their table.

Are you sure this is outright condemned? I could see the Pope saying it does not fulfill your Sunday obligation but it would be permissible in addition to attending Catholic mass (i.e. it is not a true sacrament but it is morally permissible, like eating an unconsecrated host).

[GGGG]

I am hardly anti-Catholic by any means.  I just think that its good for everyone to prayerfully listen to what others say.  I can just imagine God shaking his (or her) head up there wondering why we let such subtle differences in theology separate us from one another in a feast that is meant to be celebratory.

One of the reasons the Western and Eastern Christian churches split apart is because of the filioque...or the phrase "and the Son."  This phrase was added to the Nicene Creed by the Western churches in the following part of the creed:

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified.

Really.  We stopped celebrating the triumph that is Jesus Christ due to a theological dispute over the origin of the Holy Spirit?

Man made silliness.

[GGGG]

Sort of a moot point because most Protestant denominations do not have the sacraments as such. Those that do, Lutheran, Anglican, etc. I disagree, Catholics should be able to sit at their table.

A lot of Protestant denominations don't care if you are Catholic, Orthodox, etc. to take communion.

[Coleman]

I am hardly anti-Catholic by any means.  I just think that its good for everyone to prayerfully listen to what others say.  I can just imagine God shaking his (or her) head up there wondering why we let such subtle differences in theology separate us from one another in a feast that is meant to be celebratory.

One of the reasons the Western and Eastern Christian churches split apart is because of the filioque...or the phrase "and the Son."  This phrase was added to the Nicene Creed by the Western churches in the following part of the creed:

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified.

Really.  We stopped celebrating the triumph that is Jesus Christ due to a theological dispute over the origin of the Holy Spirit?

Man made silliness.

That's not even the most ridiculous debate that has caused splits: https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/477-what-are-transubstantiation-and-consubstantiation

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Pope Frank: "Everyone can share in some way in the life of the Church; everyone can be part of the community, nor should the doors of the sacraments be closed for simply any reason. The Eucharist, although it is the fullness of sacramental life, is not a prize for the perfect but a powerful medicine and nourishment for the weak."

I hadn't heard this bit before. I love Pope Frank

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

I hadn't heard this bit before. I love Pope Frank

I LOVE Pope Frank.

Amazing person.

[GGGG]

My Lutheran pastor quoted Pope Francis in his sermon last week.  If you would have told me 40 years ago that a Lutheran pastor would have quoted a Pope in a sermon, I would have fell out of my pew. 

[keefe]

Incorrect. The Anglican orders have been declared null and void and affirmed as such very recently by Benedict. Catholics cannot receive the sacraments from Anglican clergy. Period.

Orthodox are a different matter.

As I understand it, the agreement on intercommunion was reinterpreted by Benedict ostensibly because he felt that RC communion was about faith while Anglican communion is about community. But the reality is that Benedict, perhaps the most unimaginative and dogmatic pope in centuries, was never in agreement with the ecumenical agreement with the Anglican Communion for their unwillingness to accept papal authority.

The C of E High Church keeps the Roman calendar, adheres to Roman liturgies, prays the rosary. Everything is identical except for its not being in full communion with the Papacy. I find it fascinating that Benedict still allowed Anglican Vicars to say Mass in RC parishes under the Pastoral Provision yet made an absurd intellectual distinction that the Communion offered by that same priest in an Anglican parish was no longer valid. I think His Holiness was more concerned about matters temporal than of faith in offering that pronouncement.

My wife was a nice German Catholic so we made a point of celebrating Mass in both Churches. I remember her reaction to her very first Anglican Mass was that it was identical to the RC service. The only difference between the two is that there was a photo of QE on the wall of my church. Now, if a devout practicing Catholic sees zero difference in the liturgy how did Benedict find spiritual fault with the Anglican service?

As Sultan said, at the end of the day I don't think God has a problem with where and with whom we celebrate His glory.  

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

A lot of Protestant denominations don't care if you are Catholic, Orthodox, etc. to take communion.

I thought communion rules applied to those visiting a Catholic Church?  The book with the weekly readings has the rules on the back inside cover.

My friend's dad, while growing up, was a Congregationalist Minister.  Since I spent a lot time at his house I used to occasionally go to Sunday Service (not mass) with him sometimes including taking communion, which was only once a month in the Congregationalist Church.   My parents loved Reverend Gibbs.  When my dad died (while I was a Marquette student), my mom insisted he partake in the funeral mass.  The Catholic priest at our church barely acknowledged him during the mass which did not make my mom very happy.  When the funeral ended, my mom said the only clergy who ever checked-in on her (for years afterwards) to make sure she was hanging in OK was the Reverend.  

In some ironic twist, my friend married a Catholic girl and they are raising her Catholic and his parents are OK with that.

[keefe]

I'm pretty sure Pope Frank thinks otherwise and will probably change this ruling if he has the time. He is quite ecumenically-minded.

Personally I think the whole debate is silly. Everyone should be able to receive the sacraments, as long as they receive them in good will. Anglicans, Lutherans, evangelicals, etc.

Pope Frank: "Everyone can share in some way in the life of the Church; everyone can be part of the community, nor should the doors of the sacraments be closed for simply any reason. The Eucharist, although it is the fullness of sacramental life, is not a prize for the perfect but a powerful medicine and nourishment for the weak."

I am thrilled with the Jesuit Pope. He is a remarkable man who will do great things. The papacy needed some fresh blood after John Paul II and Benedict.

[brandx]

I am hardly anti-Catholic by any means.  I just think that its good for everyone to prayerfully listen to what others say.  I can just imagine God shaking his (or her) head up there wondering why we let such subtle differences in theology separate us from one another in a feast that is meant to be celebratory.

One of the reasons the Western and Eastern Christian churches split apart is because of the filioque...or the phrase "and the Son."  This phrase was added to the Nicene Creed by the Western churches in the following part of the creed:

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified.

Really.  We stopped celebrating the triumph that is Jesus Christ due to a theological dispute over the origin of the Holy Spirit?

Man made silliness.

+1000

[barfolomew]

Our Wojo,
Who art in the Al,
Shallow be thy bench.
Thy recruits come,
thy game plan be done,
in the tourney, as it is in the regular season.
Give us, this season, our daily win
And forgive us our bad passes,
As we forgive those who pass badly to us.
And lead us not into fourth place,
But deliver us from Brent.

Amen.

[Class71]

Good that politics is out of bounds on this web page. Can we add religion and war stories?

[Chicago_inferiority_complexes]

I am hardly anti-Catholic by any means.  

Sultan, I said non-Catholic. I don't think you're anti-Catholic.

[Coleman]

Good that politics is out of bounds on this web page. Can we add religion and war stories?

If we ban religion and war stories all we will get from Keefe is naked Israeli women.

Let's do it!!!!!

[GGGG]

Sultan, I said non-Catholic. I don't think you're anti-Catholic.

I understand and that is why I didn't quote you.  I said that more to make sure people didn't interpret what I said afterward as anti-Catholicism.  But thank you!

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Our Wojo,
Who art in the Al,
Shallow be thy bench.
Thy recruits come,
thy game plan be done,
in the tourney, as it is in the regular season.
Give us, this season, our daily win
And forgive us our bad passes,
As we forgive those who pass badly to us.
And lead us not into fourth place,
But deliver us from Brent.

Amen.

Love it

[Class71]

If we ban religion and war stories all we will get from Keefe is naked Israeli women.

Let's do it!!!!!

Must say that is a high point or two.

[keefe]

Must say that is a high point or two.

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