What the heck is going on in Wisconsin?

[muwarrior69]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/06/04/neighbors-2-12-year-olds-charged-in-wisconsin-stabbing-say-girls-had-good/

[ChicosBailBonds]

Tougher gun laws would have helped

[tower912]

Buzz's substitution patterns

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Mbakwe is Slender Man

[BrewCity83]

Mbakwe is Slender Man

Winner.

[Henry Sugar]

Tougher gun laws would have helped

[MU82]

Tougher gun laws would have helped

Them kinda thoughts'll getcha kilt, baw!

[mr.MUskie]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/human-remains-found-suitcases-wisconsin-24026897

[ChicosBailBonds]

[mikekinsellaMVP]

1.  Fat people don't use chop sticks.
2.  When was the last bicyclist under the influence charged with vehicular manslaughter?

I support the 2nd Amendment, but I've always hated that argument.  (I think it runs counter to responsible gun ownership.)  People kill people, sure -- but I know a much easier way to do it than tickling them to death.

[tower912]

Counting down to the lock.   

[mr.MUskie]

1.  Fat people don't use chop sticks.
2.  When was the last bicyclist under the influence charged with vehicular manslaughter?

I support the 2nd Amendment, but I've always hated that argument.  (I think it runs counter to responsible gun ownership.)  People kill people, sure -- but I know a much easier way to do it than tickling them to death.

http://seattleduiarrest.blogspot.com/2013/07/vehicular-manslaughter-by-bicyclecan-it.html

[rocket surgeon]

wisconsin is unfortunately just a microcosm of the rest of our surroundings.  whenever i read drudge or smoking gun and some of these same types of stories, it depresses me, but not quite enough to stab my neighbor or anything

[ChicosBailBonds]

1.  Fat people don't use chop sticks.
2.  When was the last bicyclist under the influence charged with vehicular manslaughter?

I support the 2nd Amendment, but I've always hated that argument.  (I think it runs counter to responsible gun ownership.)  People kill people, sure -- but I know a much easier way to do it than tickling them to death.

It was sarcasm.  End of the day, people kill people.  They want to kill you, they will find a way. 

[77ncaachamps]

Obviously, keyboards "miss spell" words.

[Henry Sugar]

Fixed that for you.

[ChicosBailBonds]

[ZiggysFryBoy]

[MUsoxfan]

It was sarcasm.  End of the day, people kill people.  They want to kill you, they will find a way.  

Or we could, ya know, make it just a little bit harder for maniacs to kill people. I don't understand how an intelligent person can disagree with that

[ChicosBailBonds]

Or we could, ya know, make it just a little bit harder for maniacs to kill each people. I don't understand how an intelligent person can disagree with that

I have no problem with that....the difference is how you go about it.   That's always the deal.  Come up with a way that doesn't penalize law abiding citizens and keeps things (not just guns) out of the hands of those that shouldn't have them...I'm all ears.  So are most reasonable people.  Problem is, most of the "reasonable" solutions that have been suggested would not have stopped anything to date, which then leads to unreasonable solutions.

[tower912]

A moment of silence for Joseph Wilcox.   A license to carry, armed in the Wal-Mart, made a move toward the shooters to attempt to stop them.   May he rest in peace.     He made the attempt. 

[Galway Eagle]

Or we could, ya know, make it just a little bit harder for maniacs to kill people. I don't understand how an intelligent person can disagree with that

Don't bother in this. Some people are just going to be disagreeable. 

[MUsoxfan]

Don't bother in this. Some people are just going to be disagreeable. 

Thank you. I was about to respond, but you stopped me. It makes very little sense to respond to the meatheaded. When one is dead from the neck - up, things become difficult and nonsensical

[Galway Eagle]

Thank you. I was about to respond, but you stopped me. It makes very little sense to respond to the meatheaded. When one is dead from the neck - up, things become difficult and nonsensical

You can read the entire argument you were about to get into.  Go Sox... assuming they're white not red

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=44023.0

[Ari Gold]

Or we could, ya know, make it just a little bit harder for maniacs to kill people. I don't understand how an intelligent person can disagree with that

Yep, we could do a better job recognizing and treating mental illness. treatment can reduce the risk of violent behavior and potentially end these tragedies

[mu-rara]

Or we could, ya know, make it just a little bit harder for maniacs to kill people. I don't understand how an intelligent person can disagree with that

Or we could enforce the laws on the books.  NYC and Chicago have some of the toughest gun laws in the country, yet time after time, judges and prosecutors plead down the gun charges.

[Ari Gold]

Or we could enforce the laws on the books.  NYC and Chicago have some of the toughest gun laws in the country, yet time after time, judges and prosecutors plead down the gun charges.

[MUsoxfan]

Or we can at least make it harder than getting a drivers license. Which is better than the "nothing" that's being done now

[reinko]

Or we could enforce the laws on the books.  NYC and Chicago have some of the toughest gun laws in the country, yet time after time, judges and prosecutors plead down the gun charges.

OK,  we then need more prisons, more correctional officers, more DAs,  more case workers for eventual parolees.

And to Ari,  more doctors,  more hospitals,  more outpatient treatment programs,  more outreach programs,  more counselors in schools.

These are billion dollar ideas you are talking here.

So,  how can we pay for these things?   And who will?   State budgets that are in the red right now,  school budgets,  good luck.   Federal,  please.   Private money?  Get real.

So easy to opine that we need to identify mental illness better,  or use the laws that are on the books,  but it comes down to money and the will power (or we need to ban assault rifles,  or limit magazine clips) .   Unfortunately our country is paralyzed,  and we have neither.

[Chicago_inferiority_complexes]

Or we can at least make it harder than getting a drivers license. Which is better than the "nothing" that's being done now

Nothing's being done now because liberal judges and prosecutors have been making excuses for perps for decades. Look no further than the prosecutor who excused the shooter on Marquette's campus a few weeks ago. Time to buck up and put people in jail if they commit crimes.

[Henry Sugar]

[MUsoxfan]

Or everyone can have all the 1776 era guns they can fit in their house

[ChicosBailBonds]

Thank you. I was about to respond, but you stopped me. It makes very little sense to respond to the meatheaded. When one is dead from the neck - up, things become difficult and nonsensical

Yes, that's usually a good way to have a discussion.  Anyone that disagrees with you is a meathead and nonsensical.  You wonder why there is gridlock in this nation....

[ChicosBailBonds]

Or we can at least make it harder than getting a drivers license. Which is better than the "nothing" that's being done now

I'm glad you put that word in " " since we all know that isn't true.

Instead of calling you names like you have done, the proposed changes you and others have suggested as "common sense", would ANY of them have prevented these shootings?  According to the NY Times, Washington Post, CNN....the answer is NO.

None of these people were institutionalized in their lives.  Professional mental health experts decided they weren't a threat, thus allowed to be in society.  Check.  None of them had a criminal record.  Check.  All of them passed a background check.  Check.  All of them legally bought a gun. Check. In the case of CT shootings, the killer got the guns from the house where his mom was the one that purchased them.  None of them were purchased at a gun show. Check.

So, since we know none of those common sense approaches would have changed things, the next logical question is how much farther do you want to go?  Anyone that has ever seen a psychiatrist?  Anyone that is medicated in some manner? 

What are your solutions, specifically, rather than calling people meatheads or throwing out wonderful lines like "we should make it harder than getting a driver's license"....that one is kind of funny out here in California where you don't even have to be here legally in the state to get a LEGAL gov't issued document.  Good Lord. 

Enjoyed watching the Halos sweep the Sox last weekend.