Favorite moment from the 2013-14 season

[GB Warrior]

You left out the post-TO 3/4 court heave by Derrick Wilson...If we were voting for "well that about sums it up" of the season, it'd be that.

As it were, Burton, no question.

[keefe]

We're never going back.  The past is in the past.

corpses float at sea
bodies scattered on mountains
we never look back

-- Anon. (Tokkotai Jisei)

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

No starting pg would leave a team to play a backup role on another. Derrick will be used in a situation defensive role only.

1. You don't know that.
2. It absolutely happens all the time. Usually it occurs when a starter from a lesser team transfers to a stronger team.
3. Carlino could also start at the 2.

Again, I agree that Derrick is most likely not starting. But what you posted was an unnecessary attack not an opinion on playing time.

[Spotcheck Billy]

You left out the post-TO 3/4 court heave by Derrick Wilson...If we were voting for "well that about sums it up" of the season, it'd be that.

As it were, Burton, no question.

just think if that shot counted DW's 3 pt % would have doubled

[wadesworld]

just think if that shot counted DW's 3 pt % would have doubled

Not a math major.

[NersEllenson]

Not a math major.

Pretty well played Wade.  Then again going 2 for 15 would put him at 13.3%...nearly double the 7.1% resulting from the 1 for 14 performance turned in last season.

[NersEllenson]

1. You don't know that.
2. It absolutely happens all the time. Usually it occurs when a starter from a lesser team transfers to a stronger team.
3. Carlino could also start at the 2.

Again, I agree that Derrick is most likely not starting. But what you posted was an unnecessary attack not an opinion on playing time.

Except BYU was an NCAA team last season...much better than our team that failed to qualify for the NCAA...much less the NIT.  Will be a major shock if somehow we can make the NCAA tourney this upcoming season after graduating our two leading scorers, along with a 5th year starting shooting guard, and 6th year starting center.

Replacing all of that with Sandy Cohen, Matt Carllno, and Luke Fischer after December 13...team should be lucky to make the NIT next season considering what we lost from last season.  Thankfully, we have a very experienced point guard to orchestrate our offense again this upcoming season.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Except BYU was an NCAA team last season...much better than our team that failed to qualify for the NCAA...much less the NIT.  

Which is why I said usually. It's also why I said that Derrick will not be starting next season, IMHO. Again, issue is never with the thought that Derrick isn't good, it is with the manner in which that thought is expressed. If you offer an opinion, great. If you make definitive statements which have no facts to back it, not so great.

Will be a major shock if somehow we can make the NCAA tourney this upcoming season after graduating our two leading scorers, along with a 5th year starting shooting guard, and 6th year starting center.

Replacing all of that with Sandy Cohen, Matt Carllno, and Luke Fischer after December 13...team should be lucky to make the NIT next season considering what we lost from last season.  Thankfully, we have a very experienced point guard to orchestrate our offense again this upcoming season.

I don't think it will be a major shock. We had two terrible point guards last season. We have, in theory, fixed that problem by bringing in Carlino and to a lesser extent Duane. That was our biggest hole last season and it has hopefully now been filled.

But as you pointed out, we are losing a lot. So my expectations are tempered. I expect a finish as a fringe bubble team who makes the NIT. I am hoping for more. If we hadn't brought in Carlino, my expectations would be even lower.

And no, even if we are world beaters next season and win the national championship and the ghost of Al McGuire comes to dance country roads on Virginia Tech's home court, it will not prove that Derrick shouldn't have started last season. I know that is what you were hinting at. All it will prove is that Carlino/Duane/Dawson (whomever is primarily playing the point, assuming it is not Derrick) is a better PG than Derrick  DURING THE 2014-2015 SEASON. It proves nothing about LAST SEASON.

And just to show I am not only logical but also fair: Even if Derrick starts at point next season and becomes an All American with punishing drives and game changing defense, it will still NOT prove that he should have started last season. All it will prove was that he was a better point guard than Carlino/Duane/Dawson DURING THE 2014-2015 SEASON.

The 2013-2014 season is gone. In the books. We will never know if Derrick or Dawson should have been the starter. Frankly, it doesn't matter anymore.

[NersEllenson]

Which is why I said usually. It's also why I said that Derrick will not be starting next season, IMHO. Again, issue is never with the thought that Derrick isn't good, it is with the manner in which that thought is expressed. If you offer an opinion, great. If you make definitive statements which have no facts to back it, not so great.

I don't think it will be a major shock. We had two terrible point guards last season. We have, in theory, fixed that problem by bringing in Carlino and to a lesser extent Duane. That was our biggest hole last season and it has hopefully now been filled.

But as you pointed out, we are losing a lot. So my expectations are tempered. I expect a finish as a fringe bubble team who makes the NIT. I am hoping for more. If we hadn't brought in Carlino, my expectations would be even lower.

And no, even if we are world beaters next season and win the national championship and the ghost of Al McGuire comes to dance country roads on Virginia Tech's home court, it will not prove that Derrick shouldn't have started last season. I know that is what you were hinting at. All it will prove is that Carlino/Duane/Dawson (whomever is primarily playing the point, assuming it is not Derrick) is a better PG than Derrick  DURING THE 2014-2015 SEASON. It proves nothing about LAST SEASON.

And just to show I am not only logical but also fair: Even if Derrick starts at point next season and becomes an All American with punishing drives and game changing defense, it will still NOT prove that he should have started last season. All it will prove was that he was a better point guard than Carlino/Duane/Dawson DURING THE 2014-2015 SEASON.

The 2013-2014 season is gone. In the books. We will never know if Derrick or Dawson should have been the starter. Frankly, it doesn't matter anymore.

17-15 and missing the NIT last season proves all that needs to be proved.  Buzz's allocation of minutes and playing time was absurd, and thus the 17-15 record.  If he genuinely thought he could polish that turd of a starting, 30+ minute per game backcourt into an NCAA tourney team....he was so far in outer space...that's why I'm glad he's gone.

Todd Mayo shouldn't really have to go to the head coach and ask for more playing time.  Odd that the assistant coaches saw Todd should play more...but couldn't go to Buzz and say anything...but rather that Todd needed to do it...

Why didn't Burton get more playing time?  Why did Buzz yank Burton with 7 minutes left in the last game of the season when he was killing X...only to bring him back with 30 seconds in the game....and having gone from a lead to a deficit with him on the bench?

Why did Buzz continue to insist on giving more minutes to Derrick than any other player on the team when he showed zero improvement over the course of the whole season, the losses continued to rack up..Buzz himself conceded we were playing 4 on 5?

Buzz had a lot of better options last season...he simply refused to play them..or max their minutes.  There was zero reason for that team to miss the freaking NIT with as much talent as it had.

[Class71]

Best moment was the end of last season meant the opportunity of a better next season. Bert did a lot for MU but last season was the absolute worst coaching I have seen in a number of years. It is great to have that behind us. The team deserved more.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

17-15 and missing the NIT last season proves all that needs to be proved.  Buzz's allocation of minutes and playing time was absurd, and thus the 17-15 record.  If he genuinely thought he could polish that turd of a starting, 30+ minute per game backcourt into an NCAA tourney team....he was so far in outer space...that's why I'm glad he's gone.

Todd Mayo shouldn't really have to go to the head coach and ask for more playing time.  Odd that the assistant coaches saw Todd should play more...but couldn't go to Buzz and say anything...but rather that Todd needed to do it...

Why didn't Burton get more playing time?  Why did Buzz yank Burton with 7 minutes left in the last game of the season when he was killing X...only to bring him back with 30 seconds in the game....and having gone from a lead to a deficit with him on the bench?

Why did Buzz continue to insist on giving more minutes to Derrick than any other player on the team when he showed zero improvement over the course of the whole season, the losses continued to rack up..Buzz himself conceded we were playing 4 on 5?

Buzz had a lot of better options last season...he simply refused to play them..or max their minutes.  There was zero reason for that team to miss the freaking NIT with as much talent as it had.

Dear people of Scoop. I am sorry. This one was on me. He had only hinted at it and I took the bait. He had been so good recently. I thought he was maybe ready to give up definitive statements with no factual basis. I thought maybe he had learned the difference between opinion and fact. I thought he would at least be willing to stop using logical fallacies. I was wrong. Sorry everybody.

I hope you didn't have Richard Taylor for your PHIL 1 class. He would have thrown his textbook at you.

[Spotcheck Billy]

Not a math major.

so you require teal? unnatural carnal knowledge me then, thought I just read complaints that teal shouldn't ever be necessary

[Dawson Rental]

It's almost like you're hinting at something.  You wouldn't care to elaborate, would you?

Were you the guy in Jurassic Park who disabled the confinement systems for the dinosaurs?

[leever]

17-15 and missing the NIT last season proves all that needs to be proved.  Buzz's allocation of minutes and playing time was absurd, and thus the 17-15 record.  If he genuinely thought he could polish that turd of a starting, 30+ minute per game backcourt into an NCAA tourney team....he was so far in outer space...that's why I'm glad he's gone.

Todd Mayo shouldn't really have to go to the head coach and ask for more playing time.  Odd that the assistant coaches saw Todd should play more...but couldn't go to Buzz and say anything...but rather that Todd needed to do it...

Why didn't Burton get more playing time?  Why did Buzz yank Burton with 7 minutes left in the last game of the season when he was killing X...only to bring him back with 30 seconds in the game....and having gone from a lead to a deficit with him on the bench?

Why did Buzz continue to insist on giving more minutes to Derrick than any other player on the team when he showed zero improvement over the course of the whole season, the losses continued to rack up..Buzz himself conceded we were playing 4 on 5?

Buzz had a lot of better options last season...he simply refused to play them..or max their minutes.  There was zero reason for that team to miss the freaking NIT with as much talent as it had.

My favorite moment was when NERS decided he didn't need to repeat the same thing over and over and over................................oh, nevermind.

[NersEllenson]

My favorite moment was when NERS decided he didn't need to repeat the same thing over and over and over................................oh, nevermind.

And my favorite moment would be if the usual four or five would finally get over it and stop trying to make all kinds of excuses for crappy coaching job Buzz did last season...he had better options..period..just chose not to play them/max their minutes due to his oversized ego...which ultimately is what led him to leave...when he couldn't get every thing under the sun his way...

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

And my favorite moment would be if the usual four or five would finally get over it and stop trying to make all kinds of excuses for crappy coaching job Buzz did last season...he had better options..period..just chose not to play them/max their minutes due to his oversized ego...which ultimately is what led him to leave...when he couldn't get every thing under the sun his way...

[Coleman]

Thank you for the cubicle art. It is now hanging on my wall

[willie warrior]

Not sure what you are saying here; Ners should use the stress reliever, or you should in your constant defense of El Buzzo's poor job last year.

[WarriorInNYC]

The Xavier game at home was the only really good game in my opinion.  The comebacks to force OT were more like brief thrills amidst a sea of frustration.

This.  This game put back in my mind that this team could make a run to get into the tourney.  Yeah, the game wasn't very dramatic at all, but it made me believe (also kind of unfortunately) that we had the capability to make things happen.  I remember leaving the bar after that win feeling very, very good (and a little drunk but that's besides the point).

[NersEllenson]

Not sure what you are saying here; Ners should use the stress reliever, or you should in your constant defense of El Buzzo's poor job last year.

When you can't attack the argument..you attack the person Willie...things would drop on last season so long as people stopped trying to make ridiculous points suggesting Carlino wouldn't start over Derrick...and that he simply transferred here to be at a better team/program...when in reality..he left a team..BYU...that was much better than our team last year....and we graduated 4 guys with a combined 20 years of college ball experience....including 3 starters, and our leading scorer...not even one of those 3 starters...why in God's name would Carlino transfer to such a team...if he didn't think there'd be ample playing time available?

[wadesworld]

When you can't attack the argument..you attack the person Willie...things would drop on last season so long as people stopped trying to make ridiculous points suggesting Carlino wouldn't start over Derrick...and that he simply transferred here to be at a better team/program...when in reality..he left a team..BYU...that was much better than our team last year....and we graduated 4 guys with a combined 20 years of college ball experience....including 3 starters, and our leading scorer...not even one of those 3 starters...why in God's name would Carlino transfer to such a team...if he didn't think there'd be ample playing time available?

Are you this dumb?  Nobody said Carlino wouldn't start over Derrick last year if he was at Marquette.  We are saying...get this one, Ners...Matt Carlino was not at Marquette last year, so him starting this year could not have possibly changed Derrick starting last year, because, well, MATT CARLINO DID NOT ATTEND MARQUETTE UNIVERSITY LAST YEAR!  I can't believe I actually have to spell that out for you.  It is not hard to understand that.  Matt Carlino would not have changed Derrick starting last year.  LeBron James would not have changed Derrick starting last year.  Kevin Durant, Magic Johnson, Derrick Rose, Steve Nash.  None of them could have possibly changed Derrick starting last year.  None of them went to Marquette University last year.  I don't know how you don't understand this.

And your point about ample playing time for Carlino is silly.  The guy got 28 minutes/game last year.  He isn't transferring for playing time, he had plenty of that.

You are not very intelligent.  (Can you attack the person if you have already attacked the argument?  I don't know what your rules are.)

[keefe]

Dear people of Scoop. I am sorry. This one was on me. He had only hinted at it and I took the bait. He had been so good recently. I thought he was maybe ready to give up definitive statements with no factual basis. I thought maybe he had learned the difference between opinion and fact. I thought he would at least be willing to stop using logical fallacies. I was wrong. Sorry everybody.

I hope you didn't have Richard Taylor for your PHIL 1 class. He would have thrown his textbook at you.

Not sure I agree with this. If you distill Ners' diatribe down to its pithy essence he is simply saying that Bert did a horrible job last year. On that there can be no disagreement.

[tower912]

Sure there can.   

[keefe]

Sure there can.   

Well, of course there can be disagreement. Hitler, after all, was wrong to invade Poland.

Again, the chewy nougat center of the Ners message is that Bert was terrible last year. Would you argue otherwise?

[tower912]

He wasn't able to create the same alchemy he had in the previous 5 years.   It was clearly not up to the standard set the previous 5 years.   But I truly believe he was trying to win every game.