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[MU Fan in Connecticut]

Yup, it was as high as #5 in the 1980's and 90's.  It reached it's highest share level of the total US GDP in 1992 at 13.8% and then declined below 12% during the 1990's...it has since been flat for the last 13 years.   Progress.  Forward.  

Then you look at GDP growth since 2008....California...WE'RE #44, WE'RE #44 with a negative GDP growth.  Woohoo.  Texas #2, by the way.  On a per capita level, even worse.


http://www.bloomberg.com/visual-data/best-and-worst/highest-gdp-growth-states

All that list tells you is which states are benifiting the most from fossil fuel.
1, 2, 5 & 6 have the benefit of big oil to inflate their statistics while # 4 (despite it's decline due to fracked natural gas) has coal.

[Chicago_inferiority_complexes]

All that list tells you is which states are benifiting the most from fossil fuel.
1, 2, 5 & 6 have the benefit of big oil to inflate their statistics while # 4 (despite it's decline due to fracked natural gas) has coal.

Texas has had oil for decades. Why wasn't it #2 40 years ago?

I think if you stripped out "big oil" you'd see the same results. But, yes, oil is a large industry.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Chicos, do you thinks the Feds will approve this merger/sale?

I have no comment, I just read what various experts are saying in the news.

[Coleman]

All anyone needs to keep fully informed is right here:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world/

+1. Love the BBC

[keefe]

I have no comment but to day I only read what various experts are saying in the news.

What are they saying? In the ATT-TMO deal I knew from meeting one with the DoJ crew that it was a steep, uphill battle. Yours is a different play than ours was but the same economic and social policy implications are operative. I'm curious how this will play out. Under Bush it's a slam dunk but the guy now sitting in the office without corners has a different view. 

[SoCalEagle]

Yup, it was as high as #5 in the 1980's and 90's.  It reached it's highest share level of the total US GDP in 1992 at 13.8% and then declined below 12% during the 1990's...it has since been flat for the last 13 years.   Progress.  Forward. 

Then you look at GDP growth since 2008....California...WE'RE #44, WE'RE #44 with a negative GDP growth.  Woohoo.  Texas #2, by the way.  On a per capita level, even worse.


http://www.bloomberg.com/visual-data/best-and-worst/highest-gdp-growth-states

Oh, so you want to move to a state with high GDP growth? Have fun in North Dakota.

Seriously, chicos, aren't there other things besides GDP and taxes when considering where to live and raise a family. Never mind, I guess you answered that question by choosing to stay in CA all these years.

[keefe]

Seriously, chicos, aren't there other things besides GDP and taxes when considering where to live and raise a family.

Mountains and water. That's all a man needs other than the love of a good woman.

[brandx]

Mountains and water. That's all a man needs other than the love of a good woman.

I'd say desert, water, and a good women.

Mountains probably sound a lot better to you after time in the Mideast

[source?]

+1. Love the BBC

The bar on North Ave? They have a decent atmosphere, but after falling for the "quarter glued to the floor" trick for the third time I'm not sure I can go back.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Oh, so you want to move to a state with high GDP growth? Have fun in North Dakota.

Seriously, chicos, aren't there other things besides GDP and taxes when considering where to live and raise a family. Never mind, I guess you answered that question by choosing to stay in CA all these years.

Again, I told you why we stayed.  My wife got sick with our second child, later her mom got Alzheimer's and died, her brother got cancer and died, my daughter got sick and for the first few years we wanted her treated at the Children's Hospital that she was diagnosed at. 

Are there reasons other than taxes and GDP?  Of course.  Quality of life?  It's outrageously expensive in California, especially when your wife doesn't work.  Traffic commute.  A gov't that believes in not following the laws of the state to the detriment of the citizens that do.  Companies and people leaving left and right.  A state underwater by trillions due to pension liability, school system that has totally crumbled the last few decades.  Yes, all kinds of reasons.  I could go on and on and on.  That's exactly why so many people have left.  I would have, but other things out of my control kept me here.  That is now finally changing.

Not sure why this is so hard to process, I really don't.  In all the years I have been on this earth, I have spent about half of them in California, but half of those years were not of my choosing as I was a kid.  The future for my wife and I will not be here.  I will follow those of friends and family that left and have never looked back.  Smart people.

I just wish I could be around for the $33 billion  $65 billion $70.7 billion   $90.5 billion  now back to $68.5 billion bullet    train that will make the Los Angeles to San Francisco trip in 2 hours 40 minutes  3 hours 15 minutes  3 hours 35 minutes trip that will cost a consumer less more than a plane trip that is 1/3 the time.  Brilliant.

[keefe]

I'd say desert, water, and a good women.

Mountains probably sound a lot better to you after time in the Mideast

One of my favorite writers is Edward Abbey. Abbey spent all of his adult life in the four corners area and lived in some of my favorite places - Moab and Taos. Abbey's Desert Solitaire is a captivating read. I would compare it to Aldo Leopold's A Sand County Almanac which is about Wisconsin.

My family has had a place in northern NM for several generations and all of us grew up with an appreciation for the high desert chaparral in the shadow of the Sangre de Cristos. After 6 deployments to the sandbox I am really much more interested these days in seeing vast expanses of water. Still, as much as I love the PNW, my favorite spot in North America is northern NM.

[brandx]

One of my favorite writers is Edward Abbey. Abbey spent all of his adult life in the four corners area and lived in some of my favorite places - Moab and Taos. Abbey's Desert Solitaire is a captivating read. I would compare it to Aldo Leopold's A Sand County Almanac which is about Wisconsin.

My family has had a place in northern NM for several generations and all of us grew up with an appreciation for the high desert chaparral in the shadow of the Sangre de Cristos. After 6 deployments to the sandbox I am really much more interested these days in seeing vast expanses of water. Still, as much as I love the PNW, my favorite spot in North America is northern NM.

I own every Abbey book. My wife has read Desert Solitaire several times. And you're right about Moab. That is our 1st stop off whenever we are in Utah. From there we will hit NM, Lake Powell, etc. The southern section of Canyonlands is outstanding, as well. Just an absolutely stunning landscape throughout southern Utah and northern NM.

[keefe]

I own every Abbey book. My wife has read Desert Solitaire several times. And you're right about Moab. That is our 1st stop off whenever we are in Utah. From there we will hit NM, Lake Powell, etc. The southern section of Canyonlands is outstanding, as well. Just an absolutely stunning landscape throughout southern Utah and northern NM.

Moab is a a great playground that is fun year round. And Arches is majestic. My watering hole of choice there is Woody's. Woody's has a famous bar - it's an enormous 100+ year old solid block of wood that runs the length of the room. People, some famous and more infamous, have carved their names in it since it first supported malted beverages. 

But the most transcendent place in North America is Taos at sunrise. Words cannot capture the magnificence. It is awe-inspiring.

[SoCalEagle]

One of my favorite writers is Edward Abbey. Abbey spent all of his adult life in the four corners area and lived in some of my favorite places - Moab and Taos. Abbey's Desert Solitaire is a captivating read. I would compare it to Aldo Leopold's A Sand County Almanac which is about Wisconsin.

My family has had a place in northern NM for several generations and all of us grew up with an appreciation for the high desert chaparral in the shadow of the Sangre de Cristos. After 6 deployments to the sandbox I am really much more interested these days in seeing vast expanses of water. Still, as much as I love the PNW, my favorite spot in North America is northern NM.

Yeah, but how's the GDP growth. According to chicos you should spend more time in North Dakota. That's the place to be!!

[ChicosBailBonds]

Yeah, but how's the GDP growth. According to chicos you should spend more time in North Dakota. That's the place to be!!

Definitely more freedoms there, get to do more with your money, more of an independent lifestyle.  The weather would not be great, though I can say that about a lot of places I've spent winters in.

Seems many folks are thinking it is a decent place to go.  Tops in the nation in population growth the last 2 years and an unemployment rate of 2.6%. 

Now the second largest oil producing state in the USA, behind only Texas.  Median HH incomes increased the highest of anywhere in the country.

Good for North Dakota.  Well done.  A shining star.  Cashing in on those natural resources...fine by me.

[keefe]

North Dakota. That's the place to be!!

North Dakota is Green Acres!

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

Definitely more freedoms there, get to do more with your money, more of an independent lifestyle.  The weather would not be great, though I can say that about a lot of places I've spent winters in.

Seems many folks are thinking it is a decent place to go.  Tops in the nation in population growth the last 2 years and an unemployment rate of 2.6%. 

Now the second largest oil producing state in the USA, behind only Texas.  Median HH incomes increased the highest of anywhere in the country.

Good for North Dakota.  Well done.  A shining star.  Cashing in on those natural resources...fine by me.

The GDP rise is all because of fracked oil and only oil.  Nothing else is driving the growth.  National Geographic had a great article on this (sometime in the last 12 months).  Apartment rents if you can find one are higher than major cities. 

[Benny B]

Mountains and water. That's all a woman needs other than the love of a good woman.

FIFY.

[ChicosBailBonds]

The GDP rise is all because of fracked oil and only oil.  Nothing else is driving the growth.  National Geographic had a great article on this (sometime in the last 12 months).  Apartment rents if you can find one are higher than major cities. 

yup, and the oil reserves there should last upwards of 280 years if not longer.  Opportunities for many people.

[reinko]

yup, and the oil reserves there should last upwards of 280 years if not longer.  Opportunities for many people.

Including the downside, sexual assault and domestic violence is way up,  drunk driving is way up, high school dropout rates are way up...

Not picking on you CBB,  and not saying that they shouldn't drill,  but sad that many communities have not yet invested in services that would deal with the downsides of these types booms.

[brandx]

Nightlife in the Dakota's is great. The Corn Palace absolutely rocks every Saturday til 10 pm.

[brandx]

Including the downside, sexual assault and domestic violence is way up,  drunk driving is way up, high school dropout rates are way up...

Not picking on you CBB,  and not saying that they shouldn't drill,  but sad that many communities have not yet invested in services that would deal with the downsides of these types booms.

No profit to be made there.

[keefe]

Nightlife in the Dakota's is great. The Corn Palace absolutely rocks every Saturday til 10 pm.

We are working with an alternative fuels institute in ND and some of the staff have related that a huge problem from fracking is that droves of men have moved there and thrown the male:female ratio way off balance.

I have read where the practice of killing female babies in China has created significant social problems for the same reason.

[Chicago_inferiority_complexes]

I have read where the practice of killing female babies in China has created significant social problems for the same reason.

I wonder if India or China are worse on this. A colleague from India told me that his daughter was the first female in his family in like 3-4 generations. (I assume he means up the paternity side.) He also said that it's illegal for a doctor to tell the parents the sex of their child, so they didn't even know until she was born, because sex-selective abortion is that problematic.

[Coleman]

North Dakota is an awful place to live. I had family there for a while.

The oil towns are occupied by trailers full of men, the men to women ratio approaches 4:1, there's nothing to do, the weather is miserable, and its no place to raise a family.

There's one reason to go there, and that's money.