Michigan's McGary fails drug test, enters NBA Draft

[Tums Festival]

Tested positive for Mary Jane. Michigan's losing quite a bit this year. Maybe guys like Noskowiak and Ellenson become more prominent on their radar.

http://espn.go.com/nba/draft2014/story/_/id/10837290/sophomore-mitch-mcgary-michigan-wolverines-opts-nba-draft-failing-drug-test

[keefe]

Ann Arbor Hash Bash

[Silkk the Shaka]

Really? You get a potential YEAR-LONG suspension for weed? If true, what a joke.

[tower912]

Hiroshima.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

a weed bust will actually help his stock in the NBA.

[swoopem]

He had a bad back and Michigan is a medical State, that's some bullsh!t.

[Galway Eagle]

Are the rules still the same for Colorado and Washington schools? Or do they not get tested for those anymore.  

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

He had a bad back and Michigan is a medical State, that's some bullsh!t.

NCAA has to approve it. No medicinal MJ for him.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Really? You get a potential YEAR-LONG suspension for weed? If true, what a joke.

I hope the unionization is able to make it so all recreational drugs are ok

[swoopem]

NCAA has to approve it. No medicinal MJ for him.

I was kidding

[ThatDude]

He had a bad back and Michigan is a medical State, that's some bullsh!t.

+10000000000000

[Avenue Commons]

Really? You get a potential YEAR-LONG suspension for weed? If true, what a joke.

Stupid. I don't partake myself, but a year long suspension for a drug that is legally in two states is beyond extreme.

But ethyl alcohol and nicotine and caffeine are perfectly acceptable drugs because why?

[BCHoopster]

Type of player the Bucks could get at the top of the second round, big body kid.  Michigan really is going to be a different time next year, how about those loses.  Horford, Morgan, Stauskis,
Robinson and McCary, now that is some talent leaving at one time.  Wisconsin should win the Big Ten next year.

[IL Warrior]

Hiroshima.

Yup. Their program is going up in smoke.

[Spotcheck Billy]

guess he should have grabbed that $ and turned pro after his freshman year afterall

[ChicosBailBonds]

Just in the last 10 days

Harvard study showing MJ causes brain deformations.  French study showing heart disease by MJ users.

But hey, there's no issues here.      


Again, the penalty given....voted on by the SCHOOLS, by the MEMBERSHIP.  Too harsh, tell your schools.  The NCAA is merely enforcing the legislation passed.  It happened at a NCAA sanctioned event.  He could smoke up all he wanted at school and the school's policies may be different...ahem...or a blind eye looked (typically depends how many PPG or what the QB rating is), but at a NCAA sanctioned event, rules are actually enforced.


By the way, student athletes are all told what the penalties are. 

[LAMUfan]

Just in the last 10 days

Harvard study showing MJ causes brain deformations.  French study showing heart disease by MJ users.

But hey, there's no issues here.      

 [/b][/color]

Smoking something is bad for you???? no way!!!  Guess its back to drinking that bottle of whiskey every weekend with my carton of cigarettes.

think you're missing the point

[chapman]

Just in the last 10 days

Harvard study showing MJ causes brain deformations.  French study showing heart disease by MJ users.

But hey, there's no issues here.      

Aspartame in artificial sweeteners causes brain deformations.  French fries cause heart disease.

Everything is good and bad for you.

[Avenue Commons]

Aspartame in artificial sweeteners causes brain deformations.  French fries cause heart disease.

Everything is good and bad for you.

More injuries, death, divorce, abuse and any other evil you can think of has been caused by ingestion of ethyl alcohol than all other drugs combined.

[Tums Festival]

guess he should have grabbed that $ and turned pro after his freshman year afterall

Had a great tournament last year. Probably would've been a lottery pick.

[brandx]

Just in the last 10 days

Harvard study showing MJ causes brain deformations.  French study showing heart disease by MJ users.

But hey, there's no issues here.      


Again, the penalty given....voted on by the SCHOOLS, by the MEMBERSHIP.  Too harsh, tell your schools.  The NCAA is merely enforcing the legislation passed.  It happened at a NCAA sanctioned event.  He could smoke up all he wanted at school and the school's policies may be different...ahem...or a blind eye looked (typically depends how many PPG or what the QB rating is), but at a NCAA sanctioned event, rules are actually enforced.


By the way, student athletes are all told what the penalties are. 

So can you provide a list of what bad things gov't should regulate? And which should be OK even though they are harmful?

[The Process]

Just in the last 10 days

Harvard study showing MJ causes brain deformations.

This explains so much about so many Scoopers.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Smoking something is bad for you???? no way!!!  Guess its back to drinking that bottle of whiskey every weekend with my carton of cigarettes.

think you're missing the point

I'm not missing the point, at all.  I find it ironic that this country, or segments of it, want to tackle big, bad tobacco at every turn, but at the same time they have no problem with MJ.  Both are problematic, both cause health problems, but one has a corporate face behind it, thus an easy target.

Look there are laws in this country and their rules and regs for companies, NCAA, etc, etc.   What would happen to an employee who tested positive at a Fortune 100 company at a company event?  Heck, I've seen people fired for being too drunk at an industry event. 

No one is denying it is done, but let's not pretend there aren't possible ramifications.  You may think 1 year is too much, I may agree.  Then again, people get FIRED for this kind of stuff in the real world.  There are ramifications.

[Hards Alumni]

I'm not missing the point, at all.  I find it ironic that this country, or segments of it, want to tackle big, bad tobacco at every turn, but at the same time they have no problem with MJ.  Both are problematic, both cause health problems, but one has a corporate face behind it, thus an easy target.

Look there are laws in this country and their rules and regs for companies, NCAA, etc, etc.   What would happen to an employee who tested positive at a Fortune 100 company at a company event?  Heck, I've seen people fired for being too drunk at an industry event. 

No one is denying it is done, but let's not pretend there aren't possible ramifications.  You may think 1 year is too much, I may agree.  Then again, people get FIRED for this kind of stuff in the real world.  There are ramifications.

The problem is that the rules are totally arbitrary.  Tobacco and cotton destroyed marijuana before it could become a FINANCIAL threat.  They did this by lobbying the government a decade ago.  Tobacco companies and cotton companies knew that marijuana (and associated hemp) could bite into their business so they did what big business does... They got the government to make their competition illegal.

If you're discussing purely tobacco versus pure marijuana, I get it.  Both are bad for you.

If you're discussing the amount of poison in cigarettes compared to the amount in marijuana... give me a break.

McGary strikes me as a total moron.  Always did.  Should have gone pro last year... so stupid.

[ChicosBailBonds]

http://jobs.aol.com/articles/2014/03/25/legal-marijuana-use-discrimination/

Ramifications, even in Colorado and Washington

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

The problem is that the rules are totally arbitrary.  Tobacco and cotton destroyed marijuana before it could become a FINANCIAL threat.  They did this by lobbying the government a decade ago. 

Goes even farther back.  Hemp got banned liek a 100 years ago by DuPont lobbying as they wanted to sell nylon.

[JakeBarnes]

a weed bust will actually help his stock in the NBA.

He just moved up Portland's draft board

[Hards Alumni]

Goes even farther back.  Hemp got banned liek a 100 years ago by DuPont lobbying as they wanted to sell nylon.

haha yeah, my bad... I meant century.

[NotBuzzWilliams]

There's a Larry Sanders joke here somewhere, but I can't come up with it

[Avenue Commons]

Goes even farther back.  Hemp got banned liek a 100 years ago by DuPont lobbying as they wanted to sell nylon.

William Randolph Hearst, the publisher, didn't want a threat to his paper mills as well.

[Avenue Commons]

[MU82]

I'm not missing the point, at all.  I find it ironic that this country, or segments of it, want to tackle big, bad tobacco at every turn, but at the same time they have no problem with MJ.  Both are problematic, both cause health problems, but one has a corporate face behind it, thus an easy target.

Look there are laws in this country and their rules and regs for companies, NCAA, etc, etc.   What would happen to an employee who tested positive at a Fortune 100 company at a company event?  Heck, I've seen people fired for being too drunk at an industry event. 

No one is denying it is done, but let's not pretend there aren't possible ramifications.  You may think 1 year is too much, I may agree.  Then again, people get FIRED for this kind of stuff in the real world.  There are ramifications.

I find it ironic that this country, or segments of it, want the big, bad government out of everyday life, but at the same time they want to tell grownups what they can ingest, want people who use MJ to do jail time, want legal authority over women's reproductive issues, etc.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Smoking something is bad for you???? no way!!! 

By the way, you'll get people on this very board and many others that will deny it is bad for you.  All kinds of mental gymnastics are used.

[GGGG]

Just in the last 10 days

Harvard study showing MJ causes brain deformations.  French study showing heart disease by MJ users.

But hey, there's no issues here.      

I am not completely comfortable with the legalization of MJ.

That being said, I think a year for a first offense for a drug that has no impact on his performance is terribly harsh.  Of course, I think our society's desire to punish people who use drugs instead of helping them is a big problem.

[keefe]

But ethyl alcohol and caffeine are perfectly acceptable drugs because why?

Hey, hey, hey...let's settle down there, sport!

[ChicosBailBonds]

I find it ironic that this country, or segments of it, want the big, bad government out of everyday life, but at the same time they want to tell grownups what they can ingest, want people who use MJ to do jail time, want legal authority over women's reproductive issues, etc.

As long as big bad gov't is making my pay for everyone else's healthcare insurance, I want to know what crap they are allowing people to consume that down the road I have to help pay for their medical bills.  Or, more importantly, how it might impact my life or my family's life....as I've said on this board a few times, drugs led to the murder of my sister's boyfriend a number of years ago.  All started with MJ, then they graduated on up.  Good times.  So I'm worried about the innocent that get caught into this stuff, are killed by the non responsive high driver, so on and so forth.

On women's reproductive issues, again...I'm worried about the 40 million children that never got a shot because someone wants to use that as a birth control.

Shame on me for looking out for the lives of people....I can live with myself.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I am not completely comfortable with the legalization of MJ.

That being said, I think a year for a first offense for a drug that has no impact on his performance is terribly harsh.  Of course, I think our society's desire to punish people who use drugs instead of helping them is a big problem.

Someone getting fired for using might be too harsh as well, but it happens. 

I'm just amazed, shocked, stunned that the one time in McGary's life he decided to use it (his words) he got caught.  Damn that luck.  What are the odds.

[GGGG]

Someone getting fired for using might be too harsh as well, but it happens. 

Correct...but that really isn't the same thing.  I can understand why an employer would want to ensure that their employees aren't using illegal substances for all sorts of reasons.  I can also understand why drugs are tested for in college basketball.  I just think the sentence is too harsh.

[Avenue Commons]

Hey, hey, hey...let's settle down there, sport!

Not judging. I regularly utilize ethyl alcohol to self medicate for anxiety and as a mood enhancer. I use caffeine to mitigate the effects of fatigue and as a mood enhancer.

My point is it's all just chemical compounds that have an effect on our bodies. Nothing more. Simple chemistry.

[77ncaachamps]

guess he should have grabbed that $ and turned pro after his freshman year afterall

Yup.

Too late for those frosh who decided to return to their teams after a hot tourney streak. *cough* UK *cough*

[Dawson Rental]

Stupid. I don't partake myself, but a year long suspension for a drug that is legally in two states is beyond extreme.

But ethyl alcohol and nicotine and caffeine are perfectly acceptable drugs because why?

You have to go back to the 1930's when states in the southwest had a problem with illegal Mexican workers hanging around and taking jobs during the depression.  MJ was their drug of choice so the states pushed the federal government to out it, so the states could crack down on it and the Mexican workers who used it could be deported.  Until then MJ was growing as a weed in many parts of the US.

[Anti-Dentite]

Just in the last 10 days

Harvard study showing MJ causes brain deformations.  French study showing heart disease by MJ users.

But hey, there's no issues here.      


Again, the penalty given....voted on by the SCHOOLS, by the MEMBERSHIP.  Too harsh, tell your schools.  The NCAA is merely enforcing the legislation passed.  It happened at a NCAA sanctioned event.  He could smoke up all he wanted at school and the school's policies may be different...ahem...or a blind eye looked (typically depends how many PPG or what the QB rating is), but at a NCAA sanctioned event, rules are actually enforced.


By the way, student athletes are all told what the penalties are. 

Okay Officer Squarenuts.

[Tums Festival]

Looks like he could've used some advice from Matt Foley.

[Hards Alumni]

As long as big bad gov't is making my pay for everyone else's healthcare insurance, I want to know what crap they are allowing people to consume that down the road I have to help pay for their medical bills.  Or, more importantly, how it might impact my life or my family's life....as I've said on this board a few times, drugs led to the murder of my sister's boyfriend a number of years ago.  All started with MJ, then they graduated on up.  Good times.  So I'm worried about the innocent that get caught into this stuff, are killed by the non responsive high driver, so on and so forth.

On women's reproductive issues, again...I'm worried about the 40 million children that never got a shot because someone wants to use that as a birth control.

Shame on me for looking out for the lives of people....I can live with myself.

You were already paying for it.

[ChicosBailBonds]

You were already paying for it.

I'm paying a heck of a lot more for it now. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

Okay Officer Squarenuts.

It's personal for me.  My sister's boyfriend back in the day was murdered because of this crap.

Sorry if I bring a personal experience.  Plus, quite frankly, I get sick and tired of the "it's the first time I ever used it" or "I didn't know the rules".  BS.  The rules are given to all student athletes.  I don't have to like them, you don't have to like them, but they are there.  Don't like the rules, make a compelling argument and muster support to change them....and don't come crying 40 years from now when people want to start suing someone for their medical problems after prolonged usage because we already know the damage it causes.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

I'm paying a heck of a lot more for it now. 

Then you're in a extreme minority then.  I'm on my wife's plan and the 2013-2014 plans through 2015-2016 will be the same cost as 2012-2013.  That's 4 years in a row at the same cost.  My company, whose insurance I decline had no raise in cost for 2014.  Our HR person told me it's the first time in her 17 years that it did not go up. 
And other then you, every other person has repeated the same as my experience - smallest ever increase or none.

[forgetful]

Just in the last 10 days

Harvard study showing MJ causes brain deformations.  French study showing heart disease by MJ users.

But hey, there's no issues here.      


Again, the penalty given....voted on by the SCHOOLS, by the MEMBERSHIP.  Too harsh, tell your schools.  The NCAA is merely enforcing the legislation passed.  It happened at a NCAA sanctioned event.  He could smoke up all he wanted at school and the school's policies may be different...ahem...or a blind eye looked (typically depends how many PPG or what the QB rating is), but at a NCAA sanctioned event, rules are actually enforced.


By the way, student athletes are all told what the penalties are. 

As I said in the other thread, you are vastly misreporting the scientific data and what is contained in the actual research papers. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

As I said in the other thread, you are vastly misreporting the scientific data and what is contained in the actual research papers. 

This is research that came out in the last 15 days.  I'm not vastly misreporting anything.  Last I checked, science is about discovering, testing, searching, etc for answers and new answers come about all the time.  This is new data.

[warriorchick]

Then you're in a extreme minority then.  I'm on my wife's plan and the 2013-2014 plans through 2015-2016 will be the same cost as 2012-2013.  That's 4 years in a row at the same cost.  My company, whose insurance I decline had no raise in cost for 2014.  Our HR person told me it's the first time in her 17 years that it did not go up.  
And other then you, every other person has repeated the same as my experience - smallest ever increase or none.

There is a lot more that goes into the cost of a company's health insurance plan than Obamacare.  A lot of it has to do with the company's claim history and potential for future claims.  If a company's dollar amount of claims was less than it had been in previous years (or an employee who had major health issues is no longer on the plan), that will affect the company's rates way more than Obamacare, especially if it is a small/medium-sized employer.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Then you're in a extreme minority then.  I'm on my wife's plan and the 2013-2014 plans through 2015-2016 will be the same cost as 2012-2013.  That's 4 years in a row at the same cost.  My company, whose insurance I decline had no raise in cost for 2014.  Our HR person told me it's the first time in her 17 years that it did not go up. 
And other then you, every other person has repeated the same as my experience - smallest ever increase or none.

Who is in the minority?  I think you are using your experience to paint everyone elses...I'll rely on the actual data.

Morgan Stanley research study just released in the last week.  The study has been done for the last 6 years.   In the last year, largest increase in the 6 years of the study and speculated largest in decades.

http://mediad.publicbroadcasting.net/p/nhpr/files/201404/Morgan_Stanley_Survey.pdf

http://www.latimes.com/business/money/la-fi-mo-ask-laz-obamacare-
20140403,0,3487248.story#axzz301O2fyq9

But that's not the real issue.  The increased in taxes to cover it.  There are several healthcare tax calculators out there that estimate over a 10 year period how it will cost in incremental taxes.  Say your adjusted gross income is $100K, you will contribute $17,081.24 in incremental taxes to cover those costs. 

NOTHING is free.  If you make over $250K, then it gets really awesome.  You pay $169,299.12 in incremental taxes over 10 years. 

[forgetful]

This is research that came out in the last 15 days.  I'm not vastly misreporting anything.  Last I checked, science is about discovering, testing, searching, etc for answers and new answers come about all the time.  This is new data.

As I said in the other thread (2 days ago) when you posted this new data…you are vastly misreporting the new data (new studies). 

Science is about discovering, testing, searching and then reporting what the data means.  People like you (and some of the reporters) then mistranslate this to fit their own personal agendas.  That is not part of the science.

[ChicosBailBonds]

As I said in the other thread (2 days ago) when you posted this new data…you are vastly misreporting the new data (new studies).  

Science is about discovering, testing, searching and then reporting what the data means.  People like you (and some of the reporters) then mistranslate this to fit their own personal agendas.  That is not part of the science.

How am I mistranslating this?  Better yet, how is the American Heart Association and these doctors mistranslating this?  Part of their personal agendas?  I look forward to your answer.

From 2 days ago, quotes from various doctors in study, etc.

" cardiologists writing in the Journal of the American Heart Assn. warned that "clinical evidence ... suggests the potential for serious cardiovascular risks associated with marijuana use."

"There is now compelling evidence on the growing risk of marijuana-associated adverse cardiovascular effects, especially in young people,"

"We think the time has come to stop and think about what is the best way to protect our communities from the potential danger of widespread marijuana use in the absence of safety studies," added Rezkalla, a cardiologist at the Marshfield Clinic in Wisconsin, and Kloner, a cardiologist at USC's Keck School of Medicine. "It is the responsibility of the medical community to determine the safety of the drug before it is widely legalized for recreational use."

http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-heart-attack-stroke-marijuana-20140423,0,3208786.story

[forgetful]

How am I mistranslating this?  Better yet, how is the American Heart Association and these doctors mistranslating this?  Part of their personal agendas?  I look forward to your answer.

From 2 days ago, quotes from various doctors in study, etc.

" cardiologists writing in the Journal of the American Heart Assn. warned that "clinical evidence ... suggests the potential for serious cardiovascular risks associated with marijuana use."

"There is now compelling evidence on the growing risk of marijuana-associated adverse cardiovascular effects, especially in young people,"

"We think the time has come to stop and think about what is the best way to protect our communities from the potential danger of widespread marijuana use in the absence of safety studies," added Rezkalla, a cardiologist at the Marshfield Clinic in Wisconsin, and Kloner, a cardiologist at USC's Keck School of Medicine. "It is the responsibility of the medical community to determine the safety of the drug before it is widely legalized for recreational use."

http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-heart-attack-stroke-marijuana-20140423,0,3208786.story

The actual study and the authors of the study also explicitly state that the "acute" increased risk of a heart attack are consistent with those of having sex, getting exercise…etc.

Thus it is not a risk strictly associated with smoking marijuana, rather people with risk factors participating in any function that can stress your system and increase heart rate…thereby increasing heart attack risk.

[keefe]

the "acute" increased risk of a heart attack are consistent with those of having sex

A man needs to live dangerously, I say!

[ChicosBailBonds]

The actual study and the authors of the study also explicitly state that the "acute" increased risk of a heart attack are consistent with those of having sex, getting exercise…etc.

Thus it is not a risk strictly associated with smoking marijuana, rather people with risk factors participating in any function that can stress your system and increase heart rate…thereby increasing heart attack risk.

Yes, that can be said about a lot of things.  Back to the point, how is it that those folks have an agenda, as you implied that I and they do?   

Could it possibly be that in the great haste to push through marijuana that we don't know what we should know?  To the point when these things come up, you have people screaming them down and saying how wrong the studies are.  Imagine if the tobacco companies did that.   Makes you wonder who really has the agendas

[WellsstreetWanderer]

The actual study and the authors of the study also explicitly state that the "acute" increased risk of a heart attack are consistent with those of having sex, getting exercise…etc.

Thus it is not a risk strictly associated with smoking marijuana, rather people with risk factors participating in any function that can stress your system and increase heart rate…thereby increasing heart attack risk.

  Are they not concerned more about the "chronic " risk  of prolonged use of MJ? They seem to state they would like to "protect" people from the potential adverse effects.  I don't see how tobacco smoke is so dangerous even  from  3rd hand smoke but burning a different weed is benign. Just asking as I don't care what people do to themselves if the rest of us aren't on the hook to pay for their choices.

[ChicosBailBonds]

  Are they not concerned more about the "chronic " risk  of prolonged use of MJ? They seem to state they would like to "protect" people from the potential adverse effects.  I don't see how tobacco smoke is so dangerous even  from  3rd hand smoke but burning a different weed is benign. Just asking as I don't care what people do to themselves if the rest of us aren't on the hook to pay for their choices.

That's what they are saying.

It's funny, on one hand you have folks saying stuff like "science denier" about certain topics and so many of these same folks want to challenge science on other stuff.  All depends who's ox is being gored.

[forgetful]

Yes, that can be said about a lot of things.  Back to the point, how is it that those folks have an agenda, as you implied that I and they do?   

Could it possibly be that in the great haste to push through marijuana that we don't know what we should know?  To the point when these things come up, you have people screaming them down and saying how wrong the studies are.  Imagine if the tobacco companies did that.   Makes you wonder who really has the agendas

The studies aren't wrong.  The interpretations by non-scientists are.  Also, the statistical approach to measure significance in the increased brain matter study may not be valid, but scientists have yet to implement more stringent measures as more data is needed. 

Now as far as real agendas.  All I know is that I have none.  I think all drugs should be legal and taxed, but that they should be done in the privacy of ones home not in public.  I also know for a fact that everything we put into our bodies as an adverse affect (and I truly mean everything).

As for chronic risks of marijuana. The best studies on those indicate that chronic marijuana usage while the brain is developing (teens younger than 16) have adverse affects.  Similar studies of adults have not been conclusive. 

That's not a surprise.  We shouldn't be introducing developing kids to drugs of any kind, interestingly enough that includes things like caffeine and others that are readily present in items directly marketed to youth.

My contention is that you either go one way or the other.  Complete avoidance/illegalization of all drug like molecules including caffeine, alcohol, nicotine etc (like the mormons) or complete legalization of all drugs.  I believe the latter is more appropriate and grants individuals the freedom of choice.

[avid1010]

I'm paying a heck of a lot more for it now. 

damn obamacare...killing me again.  i always preferred either 1.) refusing service (that's my catholic belief) 2.) cheap emergency room care.

worst part of obamacare...all these damn people retiring and creating jobs.  not good...shrinking our labor pool...raising wages. 

once again, less for me...more for everyone else...can't have it. 

[avid1010]

As long as big bad gov't is making my pay for everyone else's healthcare insurance, I want to know what crap they are allowing people to consume that down the road I have to help pay for their medical bills.  
alcohol?  soda and other sugar filled drinks?  fast food?
Or, more importantly, how it might impact my life or my family's life....as I've said on this board a few times, drugs led to the murder of my sister's boyfriend a number of years ago.  All started with MJ, then they graduated on up.  Good times.  So I'm worried about the innocent that get caught into this stuff, are killed by the non responsive high driver, so on and so forth.
i get this, but how is it different than alcohol?  had a childhood friend (DEA) killed in a MJ drug bust...he hated the drug war over MJ.  it's far from a simple argument in my opinion, and certainly no choice is without consequences.  there's certainly compelling evidence to show it could save lives.

On women's reproductive issues, again...I'm worried about the 40 million children that never got a shot because someone wants to use that as a birth control.
can you write a law than bans abortion without putting a woman at risk?  i'm worried about the 16.4 million kids currently living in poverty.  play out those numbers...it's about a 15% chance of success in our country right now...14 million kids that the numbers tell us will never make it out of poverty. 

Shame on me for looking out for the lives of people....I can live with myself. so why criticize those who feel the same way about obamacare?

[NersEllenson]

Think all you guys debating MJ, need to get together and roll a joint and chill out!  Chicos, perhaps you prefer a water bong? 

Personal choice the way I see it...alcohol, cigarettes all cause damage...so now some states want to add MJ to the list of legal approved substances that harm overall health/well being.  Personally, I don't think it is a good idea for it to be legalized for recreational use (yet still feel it is a choice that can be left to the individual)....as for many....smoking up frequently leads to depression/lethargy and erodes work ethic.

Hitting a joint a few times a year for special events, concerts, etc...no harm done.