NCAA...a crapshoot as always

[ChicosBailBonds]

7 Seed gets to the championship game

Only one number 1 seed made the Final Four and doesn't make the final

UCONN barely won their opening game, going to OT against St. Joe's.

Anything can happen. 

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Anything can happen. 

Isn't this the second time UCONN beat FL this year?

[ChicosBailBonds]

Isn't this the second time UCONN beat FL this year?

Yes, they beat Florida at UCONN by 1 point.  Won 30 straight in between. What are the chances the team that beat them last would even face them again in a single elimination tournament?  It's a crap shoot...the matchups, where you play, who you play, etc.

It was more about a 7 seed making the finals.  No #1 seed making the final let alone win it.  One and done tournament = crap shoot.

Always going to be the case.

[MauraDay]

Yes, true that anything can happen in a given game, but it also sounds like you are discrediting those who succeed in the tournament. Yes, to win 6 games takes a bit of luck, but shouldn't take away from the accomplishment, as if it is based on the roll of the dice.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Yes, true that anything can happen in a given game, but it also sounds like you are discrediting those who succeed in the tournament. Yes, to win 6 games takes a bit of luck, but shouldn't take away from the accomplishment, as if it is based on the roll of the dice.

Not discrediting them at all, but there is luck involved...who you play, where you play, etc.  The best team doesn't always win the tournament, in fact I would agree with Jay Bilas and others that suggest more often than not it doesn't happen.

It's a tournament to crown a champion over 6 games, it is not a tournament to say who the best team in the country was that year.  Huge difference.  You get hot for 6 games, play the right teams in the right locations, catch a better team on an off night, anything can happen.

[Nukem2]

Not discrediting them at all, but there is luck involved...who you play, where you play, etc.  The best team doesn't always win the tournament, in fact I would agree with Jay Bilas and others that suggest more often than not it doesn't happen.

It's a tournament to crown a champion over 6 games, it is not a tournament to say who the best team in the country was that year.  Huge difference.  You get hot for 6 games, play the right teams in the right locations, catch a better team on an off night, anything can happen.

Matchups are always key in tourney play unless there is simply a dominant team.  And, that does not happen often.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Matchups are always key in tourney play unless there is simply a dominant team.  And, that does not happen often.

Agree, and even a dominant team can have a bad night (UNLV) and get knocked out.  Crap shoot.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

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[jeffreyweee]

What do you suggest to fix it? Sports are a crapshoot, it's what makes watching them fun. If the better team won every time it wouldn't be worth watching.

[ChicosBailBonds]

What do you suggest to fix it? Sports are a crapshoot, it's what makes watching them fun. If the better team won every time it wouldn't be worth watching.

I wouldn't fix it at all...it's wonderful.  I think some of the morons that think it isn't a crap shoot need to be fixed.   

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

I think some of the morons that think it isn't a crap shoot need to be fixed.   

Who are you referring to?  Bill Cords?  He seemed to really want to get to the top in Wojos press conference.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Who are you referring to?  Bill Cords?  He seemed to really want to get to the top in Wojos press conference.

Never saw the press conference, I was out of town on vacation with limited bandwidth.  I was referencing a few other individuals.

[ChicosBailBonds]

7 seed vs an 8 seed

Crap Shoot

[Tugg Speedman]

Is this a record for the two lowest seeds to play in a final?

[chapman]

Is this a record for the two lowest seeds to play in a final?

Looking at this, it seems the answer is yes and it's not even close.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/ncaa-tournament/history/finalfourseeds

[Tugg Speedman]

Looking at this, it seems the answer is yes and it's not even close.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/ncaa-tournament/history/finalfourseeds

Never been a 7 seed to win (Uconn)
8 seed (Kentucky) won only once - Nova in 1985

No lower seed has ever won.

The long shot finals!

[hairy worthen]

I wouldn't fix it at all...it's wonderful.  I think some of the morons that think it isn't a crap shoot need to be fixed.  

The only reason you say it is a crapshoot is to cover for your boy peeing down his leg last year as a high 1 seed, isn't that right. The reality is having a 7 and 8 playing in NC is unusual and maybe unprecedented.  Usually high seeds are playing in the final 4.

[rocky_warrior]

Never been a 7 seed to win (Uconn)
8 seed (Kentucky) won only once - Nova in 1985

No lower seed has ever won.

The long shot finals!

85 and Villanova appears to be the only comparable year.

edit: was completely wrong about memphis...whoops.

[Eldon]

Could it be that the committee has simply sucked at seeding this year?

[Tugg Speedman]

Could it be that the committee has simply sucked at seeding this year?

A 13 loss unranked team should be ranked where?

Also, no team with this many losses has ever won the championship.

[ChicosBailBonds]

The only reason you say it is a crapshoot is to cover for your boy peeing down his leg last year as a high 1 seed, isn't that right. The reality is having a 7 and 8 playing in NC is unusual and maybe unprecedented.  Usually high seeds are playing in the final 4.

No Hairy, I've said it is a crap shoot for over 20 years, but good try.

Despite having 4 number 1 seeds every year in the tournament, they win about 55% of the time.   The NBA, as an example, the top 4 seeds win the title 85.7% of the time.

One bad game, you're done = Crap Shoot.  Always is, always will be

[rocky_warrior]

Could it be that the committee has simply sucked at seeding this year?

I don't think so....I think it was merely a case of a TON of mediocre teams this year.  I hate to say parity...since I don't think any team (or even the top 10 as most years) were all that good.

Of course that makes MU missing the tournament even more depressing.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Could it be that the committee has simply sucked at seeding this year?

Don't think so.  Parity exists and the difference between a 10 and a 7 or a 12 and 5 is so small.  It's a crapshoot. 

Did any of the #1's really scream dominant?  Many people had Louisville and Michigan State, #4's as the two favorites. 

In any tournament that is one and done, the variability is off the charts.  Warren Buffett could promise $1 Trillion and he is never going to have to worry about it.

[rocky_warrior]

One bad game, you're done = Crap Shoot.  Always is, always will be

I know you've dug your heels in on this one, and will likely not back down.

But...if you're as reasonable as you'd like to claim to be, you'd have to admit it's somewhere between crap-shoot and talented teams going on a good run at the right time.

Crap-shoot implies anybody could win.  Certainly the best team doesn't always win, but crap-shoot implies the worst team would have a chance to win.  I certainly don't think that's true.

[Lennys Tap]

Preseason #1 in title game.