If Martin is the Next Coach: What are Expectations

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

Cuonzo Martin Expectations:
Let's say he keeps most of the recruits on board for next year, but minus Ahmed Hill.  In his place, we will say that a juco player is brought on board or some Tenn transfer. 

What are the expectations from MU fans?

Year 1
Year 2
Year 3

[keefe]

That his contract buyout is low to begin with and zeroes out by Year 3

[humanlung]

That you could roll bowling balls around the upper section of the BC without risk of hitting anyone.

[frozena pizza]

For me the expectation will be the same regardless of who we hire, which is to continue our current trajectory.  In most cases, a coaching change doesn't have a major impact on an established program.  I expect us to be in the hunt for a Big East title most years and make the tournament more often than not, with an occasional run past the first weekend.

[Groin_pull]

I'll take a stab at Year 1: 15-17 overall. 7-11 in conference. No NCAA. No NIT.

[mechaghidorah]

That the program goes into a steady decline.

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

That you could roll bowling balls around the upper section of the BC without risk of hitting anyone.

Is that why you're salty that the Milwaukee Wave might be leaving?

[3Mer]

That you could roll bowling balls around the upper section of the BC without risk of hitting anyone.

This could be said of all the candidates save maybe Howland and perhaps Miller.

[humanlung]

This could be said of all the candidates save maybe Howland and perhaps Miller.

Exactly...the guy who WANTS to be here.

[Hards Alumni]

This thread tho.

you guys are a bunch of dick bags.

[Nukem2]

This thread tho.

you guys are a bunch of dick bags.

  they wonder why the board has a bad rep.

[humanlung]

This thread tho.

you guys are a bunch of dick bags.

I am insulted.  I will have you know I am my own dick bag.  I resent being lumped in with others.

[Windyplayer]

I'll take a stab at Year 1: 15-17 overall. 7-11 in conference. No NCAA. No NIT.

I'm shocked by this prediction. I mean, truly shocked. I don't think I'm conveying how shocked I am--just truly blown away.

[LAZER]

Year 1 - Bad
Year 2 - Better
Year 3 - NCAA Bid
Year 4 - NCAA Win

[humanlung]

  they wonder why the board has a bad rep.

Someone asked.  I answered.  And I fully admit that I am incredibly frustrated by the process on this one.  

Sometimes, in my opinion, like right now, "analysis paralysis" happens, where the obvious isn't done in the name of following the "process" and looking at every possible "viable" (not necessarily "best") alternative.    

Again, just my opinion.

[Hards Alumni]

Someone asked.  I answered.  And I fully admit that I am incredibly frustrated by the process on this one.  

Sometimes, in my opinion, like right now, "analysis paralysis" happens, where the obvious isn't done in the name of following the "process" and looking at every possible "viable" (not necessarily "best") alternative.    

Again, just my opinion.

Realistic expectations.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Realistic expectations.

Or a moronic one...

[Fullodds]

Cords said 'impact hire' -- this is not an impact hire.  

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

Year 1 - Bad
Year 2 - Better
Year 3 - NCAA Bid
Year 4 - NCAA Win

Let me guess, though, each year we're in the top 20 on Ken Pom for defensive and offensive efficiency?!!

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[Silkk the Shaka]

1.) Keep the core players currently on the roster that have stated they want to stay: Duane Wilson, Deonte Burton, Luke Fischer, John Dawson.

2.) Keep at least 2, hopefully 3 or all out of the following the fold: Jajuan Johnson, Steve Taylor, Sandy Cohen, Ahmed Hill

3.) Make a hard run at Stone, sign a great first class in 2015

4.) Barring injury, finish .500 or better in conference year 1, make the tournament year 2, make a S16 or better tournament run year three

5.) Continue to stock the roster with talent 2016 and beyond


That's what I would hope for with any hire, by the way

[LAZER]

Let me guess, though, each year we're in the top 20 on Ken Pom for defensive and offensive efficiency?!!

I don't give a fck what the numbers are, what the stars are next to the recruits, or the style of play as long as MU is winning.

[Windyplayer]

Let me guess, though, each year we're in the top 20 on Ken Pom for defensive and offensive efficiency?!!

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Doesn't the fact that every other team with a top 25 offense and defense this year had really good years lead you to believe that what happened in Tennessee was a fluke?

[melissasmooth]

That I complete my senior year

[Silkk the Shaka]

Let me guess, though, each year we're in the top 20 on Ken Pom for defensive and offensive efficiency?!!

I get that you're being a dick, and I sense we will get this from you ad infinitum for the foreseeable future, but if we had a top 20 KenPom offense & defense for the first four consecutive years, we would have several deep tournament runs to correspond. So I don't exactly know why you would sarcastically dismiss it or act like that wouldn't be a good thing... unless you don't really know what you're saying, which I'm not ruling out...

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

That I complete my senior year

Uh oh..... are you going to pull a Buzz and transfer?  

[Hards Alumni]

Or a moronic one...

Yeah, I mean that dude needs to have some.

[Tums Festival]

Without knowing who will be on the roster next season it's hard to say. If he brings in a commensurate level of talent he has at Tennessee, the trend will be downward in a couple of seasons.

[melissasmooth]

Uh oh..... are you going to pull a Buzz and transfer?  

haha, no, just saying life at MU goes on. I'll be here next year no matter what, finishing my my last year

[chapman]

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

I get that you're being a dick, and I sense we will get this from you ad infinitum for the foreseeable future, but if we had a top 20 KenPom offense & defense for the first four consecutive years, we would have several deep tournament runs to correspond. So I don't exactly know why you would sarcastically dismiss it or act like that wouldn't be a good thing... unless you don't really know what you're saying, which I'm not ruling out...

Top 20 Ken Pom offense and defensive rankings have nothing to do with deep tourney runs.  Being the top 20 in both, means you're an elite team.  Tennessee was the sole exception with some bad losses this past year.  They played inconsistently, and that is the sign of a poor coach. Obviously, they were talented.... but that talent didn't show up all the time.  I want a coach who has his guys inspired and ready to go each night.  

[brandx]

I'll take a stab at Year 1: 15-17 overall. 7-11 in conference. No NCAA. No NIT.

Do you have any positive thoughts in life when you're NOT on scoop? You may be the most consistently negative person I have encountered.

[brandx]

This thread tho.

you guys are a bunch of dick bags.

+10000

[Pakuni]

[BM1090]

Since everyone else failed to answer the question.

Year 1 - Minimum NIT while dealing with turnover. Bubble team.
Year 2 - back in the dance. Win a game
Year 3 - sweet 16 contender annually. Where Buzz had us before this season.

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

Do you have any positive thoughts in life when you're NOT on scoop? You may be the most consistently negative person I have encountered.

[Silkk the Shaka]

Top 20 Ken Pom offense and defensive rankings have nothing to do with deep tourney runs.  Being the top 20 in both, means you're an elite team.  Tennessee was the sole exception with some bad losses this past year.  They played inconsistently, and that is the sign of a poor coach. Obviously, they were talented.... but that talent didn't show up all the time.  I want a coach who has his guys inspired and ready to go each night.  

About 3-5 teams per year have both a top 20 offense and defense. Not coincidentally, every national champion since 2003 when the data is available shares this trait. This is not, and never will be, anything but a good thing. You can either sound dumb by continuing to deride it, or you could look at the final four, see that Florida is the only team remaining that falls into this category, and go make yourself some money!

EDIT: Looking at the past 4 years not including this year, 18 teams fall under the top 20 O/D category. 4 were national champions, 2 made the final 4, 6 made the E8, 3 made the S16, 3 made the R32.

Since you don't seem to be too good at the maths, 22% are national champions, 33% make the final 4 or better, 67% make the E8 or better, and 83% make the S16 or better.

I'll be generous and say that an average of 5 teams per year have a top 20 O/D. That amounts to ~1.5% of all of division 1.

Having a top 20 KenPom O/D is 1.) rare, and 2.) highly desirable

Keep posting it as an insult though, it makes you look real smart brah.

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

About 3-5 teams per year have both a top 20 offense and defense. Not coincidentally, every national champion since 2003 when the data is available shares this trait. This is not, and never will be, anything but a good thing. You can either sound dumb by continuing to deride it, or you could look at the final four, see that Florida is the only team remaining that falls into this category, and go make yourself some money!

I'm not deriding it.  My point is that if you're top 20 in both categories, you're an elite team.  Tennessee didn't play like one the whole year.  They never beat a top 25 or 30 team for that matter.  The question is...... why??? Take a look at the coaching......   

[Silkk the Shaka]

I'm not deriding it.  My point is that if you're top 20 in both categories, you're an elite team.  Tennessee didn't play like one the whole year.  They never beat a top 25 or 30 team for that matter.  The question is...... why??? Take a look at the coaching......   

They beat 1 seed Virginia by 35. Christ you're dumb.

[Ari Gold]

Expectations for the next coach should be the same no matter who it is
1) be playing for the 2nd round of the NCAA
2) Beat Wisconsin.

It might not happen in the first season but after that, the above are the expectations

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

They beat 1 seed Virginia by 35. Christ you're dumb.

Virginia wasn't ranked at the time and wasn't the same team that finished the season.  Context is key. 

[ecompt]

I'll take a stab at Year 1: 15-17 overall. 7-11 in conference. No NCAA. No NIT.

Year 2: 18-13 overall, 9-9 conference, NIT
Year 3: 19-13 overall, 10-8 conference, NIT

[MUEng92]

The way the last 10 days have gone, my only expectation would be that Tennessee would announce their hiring of Shaka Smart within 3 days of MU announcing the hiring of Martin

[mikekinsellaMVP]

If our incredibly talented freshman stick around and get playing time, I don't think the future is nearly as bleak as everyone is making it out to be.

[77ncaachamps]

The way the last 10 days have gone, my only expectation would be that Tennessee would announce their hiring of Shaka Smart within 3 days of MU announcing the hiring of Martin

For the former that would be a no brain #donedeal, but for the latter that would also be, though lamentingly, a #donedeal.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Before Year 1: Retain 7/9 of returning players. Retain 3/4 signed recruits. Bonus points for retain Harris, Noskowiak, or Flory. Fill any vacancies with Jucos/late signees/transfers.
Year 1: Fringe bubble team. NIT berth. Finish with an above .500 conference record.
Year 2: Return to the NCAA. Top 4 conference finish.
Year 3: High seed in the NCAA. Top 2 conference finish. Ranked in the top 25.
Every year: Recruit at the level to which we've become accustomed...higher if possible. Represent the Warriors well. Develop players both on and off the floor.

[LAZER]

The way the last 10 days have gone, my only expectation would be that Tennessee would announce their hiring of Shaka Smart within 3 days of MU announcing the hiring of Martin

I streamed Gary Parish's show today and he had Wes Rucker(from 247) on and I'm pretty sure they said Smart might not even take the call from UT.

[Knight Commission]

NCAA appearance every year and two Top 100's recruits , including one near the Top 50.

[Silkk the Shaka]

Virginia wasn't ranked at the time and wasn't the same team that finished the season.  Context is key. 

They were 22 in the computers at the time. Who cares where ignorant voters had them?

Here are Virginia's losses this year:

By 2 to #9 MSU, by 3 to #19 VCU & @ #78 UWGB, by 4 @ #12 Duke, by 6 in OT @ #41 Maryland, by 10 @ #6 UW. Then by 35 @ #7 Tennessee. Face it, they trounced an excellent team.

[Niv Berkowitz]

I'm not deriding it.  My point is that if you're top 20 in both categories, you're an elite team.  Tennessee didn't play like one the whole year.  They never beat a top 25 or 30 team for that matter.  The question is...... why??? Take a look at the coaching......   

Bringo!!

Steve Brule

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

They were 22 in the computers at the time. Who cares where ignorant voters had them?

Here are Virginia's losses this year:

By 2 to #9 MSU, by 3 to #19 VCU & @ #78 UWGB, by 4 @ #12 Duke, by 6 in OT @ #41 Maryland, by 10 @ #6 UW. Then by 35 @ #7 Tennessee. Face it, they trounced an excellent team.

It makes a difference where they were in the computers at the time.  Look on ESPN.com ... UVA wasn't ranked when Tennessee beat them.  they Beat them on Dec. 30 which is the first 1/3 of the season.  Most teams don't start to gel until February.  I guarantee this...  Teams are much more mature in March than December.  There's a huge difference.  Not to mention, UVA's last 4 games before playing Tennessee, they were 2-2.  Obviously, they weren't playing their best ball of the season. 

[Eldon]

We will make the Final Four next year with Martin at the helm.  Calling it now.

If I am wrong, none of you will remember this.

If I am right, all of you will remember this because I will Brewcity77 all of your asses!

[bilsu]

Realistically, I would expect the returning players to play with a new attitude and do better in a weaker conference this coming year.

[brandx]

We will make the Final Four next year with Martin at the helm.  Calling it now.

If I am wrong, none of you will remember this.

If I am right, all of you will remember this because I will Brewcity77 all of your asses!

Good call