Author Topic: And Then There Were 2... (Read 14243 times)

TAMU, Knower of Ball · « **on:** March 31, 2014, 12:58:17 PM »

http://www.jrn.com/wtmj/wi-sports/Report-Marquette-search-down-to-two-major-candidates-253226751.html

Trebby says it is down to Wojo and Martin. He mentions Gary Parrish as the source but I couldn't find the original leak.

I'd say the smart money is on Wojo

EDIT: WRONG LINK!!!

LAZER · « **Reply #1 on:** March 31, 2014, 12:59:55 PM »

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 31, 2014, 12:58:17 PM

http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/280/870/870280.gif

Trebby says it is down to Wojo and Martin. He mentions Gary Parrish as the source but I couldn't find the original leak.

I'd say the smart money is on Wojo

Hunt just had a tweet saying MU doesn't even have an interview scheduled with Wojo

GooooMarquette · « **Reply #2 on:** March 31, 2014, 01:00:49 PM »

Who knows what's true anymore...but if it truly is down to these two, my preference would be Wojo.

Galway Eagle · « **Reply #3 on:** March 31, 2014, 01:01:44 PM »

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 31, 2014, 12:58:17 PM

http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/280/870/870280.gif

Trebby says it is down to Wojo and Martin. He mentions Gary Parrish as the source but I couldn't find the original leak.

I'd say the smart money is on Wojo

Shouldn't have posted this man now you're going to get crucified by a million new posters.

Eldon · « **Reply #4 on:** March 31, 2014, 01:02:28 PM »

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 31, 2014, 12:58:17 PM

http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/280/870/870280.gif

Trebby says it is down to Wojo and Martin. He mentions Gary Parrish as the source but I couldn't find the original leak.

I'd say the smart money is on Wojo

The link is to a gif of the banhammer lol

TAMU, Knower of Ball · « **Reply #5 on:** March 31, 2014, 01:03:51 PM »

Quote from: Eldon on March 31, 2014, 01:02:28 PM

The link is to a gif of the banhammer lol

Whoops, edited

Sharpie · « **Reply #6 on:** March 31, 2014, 01:03:58 PM »

He said it "could" be down to two. He didn't say it was down to two.

GooooMarquette · « **Reply #7 on:** March 31, 2014, 01:05:18 PM »

Quote from: Sharpie on March 31, 2014, 01:03:58 PM

He said it "could" be down to two. He didn't say it was down to two.

Sounds like just the time for an "insider" to leak a few new names!

MUSF · « **Reply #8 on:** March 31, 2014, 01:06:19 PM »

Again, what is the point of listening to any "insiders" any more? I won't believe anything until MU makes an official announcement.

Litehouse · « **Reply #9 on:** March 31, 2014, 01:07:08 PM »

Here's the link to the source article Trebby is regurgitating.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/24508408/cuonzo-martin-stevewojciechowski-now-among-marquette-candidates

Windyplayer · « **Reply #10 on:** March 31, 2014, 01:07:14 PM »

Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 31, 2014, 01:00:49 PM

Who knows what's true anymore...but if it truly is down to these two, my preference would be Wojo.

Astonishing.

Shark · « **Reply #11 on:** March 31, 2014, 01:07:28 PM »

Martin will be named the coach either tomorrow or Wednesday when his buyout goes down. Atleast that seems like the most likely outcome. We've heard nothing but silence and rumors surrounding Martin for the last couple days, and the delay could very well be just a stall for his buyout to go down.

DienerTime34 · « **Reply #12 on:** March 31, 2014, 01:10:40 PM »

I could really go for one of those Keefe word mysteries right now.

Groin_pull · « **Reply #13 on:** March 31, 2014, 01:10:57 PM »

Quote from: MarkusSharkus on March 31, 2014, 01:07:28 PM

Martin will be named the coach either tomorrow or Wednesday when his buyout goes down. Atleast that seems like the most likely outcome. We've heard nothing but silence and rumors surrounding Martin for the last couple days, and the delay could very well be just a stall for his buyout to go down.

Not sure why Howland is still being mentioned in that CBS Sports article. Lazy reporting?

Shark · « **Reply #14 on:** March 31, 2014, 01:13:42 PM »

Quote from: Groin_pull on March 31, 2014, 01:10:57 PM

Not sure why Howland is still being mentioned.

I think MU is afraid of Howland. You look at the current state of the roster and you can see that there's not a whole lot of room for transfers. Martin isn't sexy to us fans, but the players would love that signing. Howland would scare away recruits initially and would likely make a lot of the current guys shaky. MU needs a guy that can retain some recruits and keep the current guys on board, and I think Martin is the best bet for that.

TAMU, Knower of Ball · « **Reply #15 on:** March 31, 2014, 01:15:22 PM »

Quote from: Groin_pull on March 31, 2014, 01:10:57 PM

Not sure why Howland is still being mentioned in that CBS Sports article. Lazy reporting?

The admin likes Wojo and Martin better than Howland. Should Wojo and Martin fall through for whatever reason, they will probably go with Howland.

Milwarriorkee · « **Reply #16 on:** March 31, 2014, 01:15:58 PM »

It's amazing how far our list of candidates has fallen within about a week. We went to Shaka/Howland to Martin/Wojo. I do believe that Cords did attempt to aim high, but this is a realistic indication of the demand of the Marquette job. Fans have an over valued perception of their own program, and I fear that is the case with us. Go to the Wake Forest boards, and they seem to think their vacancy is the best in the country right now, too.

The risk in hiring one of these candidates is great. Their potential for failure is the same as it was when we hired Brent Williams, who was unproven, but he inherited a much better situation (i.e. the amigos and the old big east). I don't expect either one of these candidates to hold on to our recruits. In the case of Wojo, I don't think it is realistic to expect any players to follow him here.

Finally, either one of these guys will likely move on in about 5 years if they have success at MU. That is the best case scenario for us. If they fail, I shudder to think what type of candidates we will be looking at in the next coaching search.

Shark · « **Reply #17 on:** March 31, 2014, 01:17:04 PM »

Quote from: csmithjump on March 31, 2014, 01:15:58 PM

It's amazing how far our list of candidates has fallen within about a week. We went to Shaka/Howland to Martin/Wojo. I do believe that Cords did attempt to aim high, but this is a realistic indication of the demand of the Marquette job. Fans have an over valued perception of their own program, and I fear that is the case with us. Go to the Wake Forest boards, and they seem to think their vacancy is the best in the country right now, too.

The risk in hiring one of these candidates is great. Their potential for failure is the same as it was when we hired Brent Williams, who was unproven, but he inherited a much better situation (i.e. the amigos and the old big east). I don't expect either one of these candidates to hold on to our recruits. In the case of Wojo, I don't think it is realistic to expect any players to follow him here.

Finally, either one of these guys will likely move on in about 5 years if they have success at MU. That is the best case scenario for us. If they fail, I shudder to think what type of candidates we will be looking at in the next coaching search.

Well if you look at the facts, MU is by far the best coaching vacancy. It's really not even close.

ATWizJr · « **Reply #18 on:** March 31, 2014, 01:18:11 PM »

On Katz corner today, Katz identifies Martin as MU's # 1 target.

Eldon · « **Reply #19 on:** March 31, 2014, 01:19:57 PM »

Quote from: csmithjump on March 31, 2014, 01:15:58 PM

It's amazing how far our list of candidates has fallen within about a week. We went to Shaka/Howland to Martin/Wojo. I do believe that Cords did attempt to aim high, but this is a realistic indication of the demand of the Marquette job. Fans have an over valued perception of their own program, and I fear that is the case with us. Go to the Wake Forest boards, and they seem to think their vacancy is the best in the country right now, too.

The risk in hiring one of these candidates is great. Their potential for failure is the same as it was when we hired Brent Williams, who was unproven, but he inherited a much better situation (i.e. the amigos and the old big east). I don't expect either one of these candidates to hold on to our recruits. In the case of Wojo, I don't think it is realistic to expect any players to follow him here.

Finally, either one of these guys will likely move on in about 5 years if they have success at MU. That is the best case scenario for us. If they fail, I shudder to think what type of candidates we will be looking at in the next coaching search.

We may indeed overvalue this job. However, keep in mind that Andy Katz explicitly stated that this is the best job opening in the country. He also said that Ben Howland called us immediately and was "very interested." I don't recall reading the same thing about the Wake Forest job.

TAMU, Knower of Ball · « **Reply #20 on:** March 31, 2014, 01:20:07 PM »

Quote from: csmithjump on March 31, 2014, 01:15:58 PM

It's amazing how far our list of candidates has fallen within about a week. We went to Shaka/Howland to Martin/Wojo. I do believe that Cords did attempt to aim high, but this is a realistic indication of the demand of the Marquette job. Fans have an over valued perception of their own program, and I fear that is the case with us. Go to the Wake Forest boards, and they seem to think their vacancy is the best in the country right now, too.

The risk in hiring one of these candidates is great. Their potential for failure is the same as it was when we hired Brent Williams, who was unproven, but he inherited a much better situation (i.e. the amigos and the old big east). I don't expect either one of these candidates to hold on to our recruits. In the case of Wojo, I don't think it is realistic to expect any players to follow him here.

Finally, either one of these guys will likely move on in about 5 years if they have success at MU. That is the best case scenario for us. If they fail, I shudder to think what type of candidates we will be looking at in the next coaching search.

We did fall, from Smart.

In my opinion, the candidate tiers were:

1) Smart
2) Martin/Wojo/Howland/Miller/Manning
3) Everyone else

BlindboyPatSmith · « **Reply #21 on:** March 31, 2014, 01:20:29 PM »

John Wooden just tweeted he is NOT interested in the Marquette job....

chapman · « **Reply #22 on:** March 31, 2014, 01:20:48 PM »

Impact hire.

Nobody said it had to be a positive impact.

trebby123 · « **Reply #23 on:** March 31, 2014, 01:22:14 PM »

I'm yet to hear that Howland is out of it, and I have a tough time believing he actually is. Was just relaying what Parrish has heard, since he is likely more "in the know" than me on the search.

Also, I approve the link that was originally posted

Shark · « **Reply #24 on:** March 31, 2014, 01:23:07 PM »

Quote from: chapman on March 31, 2014, 01:20:48 PM

Impact hire.

Nobody said it had to be a positive impact.

Martin would be slightly positive. He's not Smart, but he would have all hands on deck instantly.

Wojo'sMojo · « **Reply #25 on:** March 31, 2014, 01:24:59 PM »

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 31, 2014, 01:20:07 PM

We did fall, from Smart.

In my opinion, the candidate tiers were:

1) Smart
2) Martin/Wojo/Howland/Miller/Manning
3) Everyone else
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So Manning and Howland are on the same tier? Lol

Golden Avalanche · « **Reply #26 on:** March 31, 2014, 01:26:31 PM »

Gary Parrish was the first to report six days ago that Steve Masiello to South Florida was a #DoneDeal. So, when is Masiello's introductory press conference?

NersEllenson · « **Reply #27 on:** March 31, 2014, 01:26:40 PM »

Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 31, 2014, 01:00:49 PM

Who knows what's true anymore...but if it truly is down to these two, my preference would be Wojo.

So you'd prefer to have a guy with no head coaching experience who has a low likability factor than a guy who turned around Missouri State program, got TN to within a basket of the Elite 8 and who's record has improved EVERY year of his head coaching career at each school and that was a finalist for JJJ, Looney and has been in the mix for Stone?? Wow.

Litehouse · « **Reply #28 on:** March 31, 2014, 01:30:08 PM »

Quote from: Ners on March 31, 2014, 01:26:40 PM

So you'd prefer to have a guy with no head coaching experience who has a low likability factor than a guy who turned around Missouri State program, got TN to within a basket of the Elite 8 and who's record has improved EVERY year of his head coaching career at each school and that was a finalist for JJJ, Looney and has been in the mix for Stone?? Wow.

Agreed, Martin seems to be on an upward trend with both coaching and recruiting. I'd take him over any assistant. Not a real exciting hire, but I've warmed up to the idea.

Newsdreams · « **Reply #29 on:** March 31, 2014, 01:30:54 PM »

Respect the process. If there is even a process

TAMU, Knower of Ball · « **Reply #30 on:** March 31, 2014, 01:34:02 PM »

Quote from: Buzz'sBS on March 31, 2014, 01:24:59 PM

So Manning and Howland are on the same tier? Lol

Yep.

Howland has the resume. Manning has the non-squirminess

thekahoona · « **Reply #31 on:** March 31, 2014, 01:36:58 PM »

Quote from: newsdrms on March 31, 2014, 01:30:54 PM

Respect the process. If there is even a process

The first rule of The Process is: You do not talk about The Process.

Golden Avalanche · « **Reply #32 on:** March 31, 2014, 01:39:27 PM »

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 31, 2014, 01:34:02 PM

Yep.

Howland has the resume. Manning has the non-squirminess

unnatural carnal knowledge. You're relentless on this. Howland has less squirm on him than the guy who just left us for Blacksburg.

jesmu84 · « **Reply #33 on:** March 31, 2014, 01:39:59 PM »

Quote from: Ners on March 31, 2014, 01:26:40 PM

So you'd prefer to have a guy with no head coaching experience who has a low likability factor than a guy who turned around Missouri State program, got TN to within a basket of the Elite 8 and who's record has improved EVERY year of his head coaching career at each school and that was a finalist for JJJ, Looney and has been in the mix for Stone?? Wow.

Wojo must have some sort of likability to get recruits at Duke.

Litehouse · « **Reply #34 on:** March 31, 2014, 01:43:45 PM »

Quote from: jesmu84 on March 31, 2014, 01:39:59 PM

Wojo must have some sort of likability to get recruits at Duke.

Of all the reasons to go to Duke, Wojo's personality might be pretty close to the bottom.

ChitownSpaceForRent · « **Reply #35 on:** March 31, 2014, 01:45:11 PM »

In terms of Martin is there any recruits or current quality players that would possibly to transfer to MU?

GooooMarquette · « **Reply #36 on:** March 31, 2014, 01:57:23 PM »

Quote from: Ners on March 31, 2014, 01:26:40 PM

So you'd prefer to have a guy with no head coaching experience who has a low likability factor than a guy who turned around Missouri State program, got TN to within a basket of the Elite 8 and who's record has improved EVERY year of his head coaching career at each school and that was a finalist for JJJ, Looney and has been in the mix for Stone?? Wow.

No, I prefer a guy who has been a loyal assistant at one of the most prestigious programs in the country and learned from one of the best coaches in the business over a guy who inherited a loaded Tennessee team and led them to 2 NCAA tournament wins in three seasons...and who didn't land JJJ or Looney.

NersEllenson · « **Reply #37 on:** March 31, 2014, 01:59:41 PM »

Quote from: jesmu84 on March 31, 2014, 01:39:59 PM

Wojo must have some sort of likability to get recruits at Duke.

Tell me you are kidding? You really believe Wojo is any kind of influencing factor in getting recruits to DUKE to play under Coach K? Coach K can basically handpick whoever he wants, he offers, and 50% of the time the 5-star kid says yes...

Also why I'm a little skeptical of Howland - UCLA recruits itself. He's almost 10 years removed from Pitt, and had old Big East to sell back then...not the current version. Plus at 57, he's further removed from the mindset of 16 year old kids in this day and age..

Litehouse · « **Reply #38 on:** March 31, 2014, 02:03:22 PM »

Quote from: chitownwarrior2011 on March 31, 2014, 01:45:11 PM

In terms of Martin is there any recruits or current quality players that would possibly to transfer to MU?

http://espn.go.com/colleges/basketball/recruiting/school/_/id/2633/class/2015/page/considering
Here's who ESPN has listed considering Tennessee for 2015. Anyone heard of that Stone guy?

NersEllenson · « **Reply #39 on:** March 31, 2014, 02:03:57 PM »

Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 31, 2014, 01:57:23 PM

No, I prefer a guy who has been a loyal assistant at one of the most prestigious programs in the country and learned from one of the best coaches in the business over a guy who inherited a loaded Tennessee team and led them to 2 NCAA tournament wins in three seasons...and who didn't land JJJ or Looney.

LOL - A loyal assistant? At Duke, under Coach K, as a former player and graduate of that program? Really a test of one's loyalty. Reality is, Wojo has hardly ever been rumored for other head coaching positions.

Martin has been on the hot seat making the game decisions as a Head Coach for 6 years. Each of his 6 years his teams have improved year over year. He walked into a bit of a sh$t show at TN with Pearl's departure...and you want to say he inherited a loaded squad - well guess what - those kids also had to make the choice to STAY at TN - they could have easily transferred. So, he retained the talented kids during that transition...as he likely would do in this case at MU....and his team just finished in the Top 20 nationally in Offensive and Defensive efficiency....I'd put a lot more trust in a guy like that, than an annoying Duke assistant coach.

jesmu84 · « **Reply #40 on:** March 31, 2014, 02:08:09 PM »

Quote from: Ners on March 31, 2014, 02:03:57 PM

LOL - A loyal assistant? At Duke, under Coach K, as a former player and graduate of that program? Really a test of one's loyalty. Reality is, Wojo has hardly ever been rumored for other head coaching positions.

Martin has been on the hot seat making the game decisions as a Head Coach for 6 years. Each of his 6 years his teams have improved year over year. He walked into a bit of a sh$t show at TN with Pearl's departure...and you want to say he inherited a loaded squad - well guess what - those kids also had to make the choice to STAY at TN - they could have easily transferred. So, he retained the talented kids during that transition...as he likely would do in this case at MU....and his team just finished in the Top 20 nationally in Offensive and Defensive efficiency....I'd put a lot more trust in a guy like that, than an annoying Duke assistant coach.

Would your world fall apart if Wojo was hired and played Derrick 35mpg next season?

PuertoRicanNightmare · « **Reply #41 on:** March 31, 2014, 02:10:14 PM »

Quote from: Ners on March 31, 2014, 02:03:57 PM

Reality is, Wojo has hardly ever been rumored for other head coaching positions.

That's because Chris Collins was on the staff until this past year. We wouldn't consider Wojo either if Collins was still there.

Pakuni · « **Reply #42 on:** March 31, 2014, 02:10:28 PM »

Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 31, 2014, 01:57:23 PM

No, I prefer a guy who has been a loyal assistant at one of the most prestigious programs in the country and learned from one of the best coaches in the business over a guy who inherited a loaded Tennessee team and led them to 2 NCAA tournament wins in three seasons...and who didn't land JJJ or Looney.

A loaded Tennessee team????
Ha. Seven of the top 10 players from Pearl's team were gone when Martin took over, including five of the top six scorers.

Dawson Rental · « **Reply #43 on:** March 31, 2014, 02:15:26 PM »

Quote from: MarkusSharkus on March 31, 2014, 01:07:28 PM

Martin will be named the coach either tomorrow or Wednesday when his buyout goes down. Atleast that seems like the most likely outcome. We've heard nothing but silence and rumors surrounding Martin for the last couple days, and the delay could very well be just a stall for his buyout to go down.

They should tell Tennessee to throw out the buyout or deal with the fallout from having to keep Martin that should settle things.

texaswarrior74 · « **Reply #44 on:** March 31, 2014, 02:32:15 PM »

Quote from: LittleMurs on March 31, 2014, 02:15:26 PM

They should tell Tennessee to throw out the buyout or deal with the fallout from having to keep Martin that should settle things.

Tennessee is still paying so much in buyouts for two ex football coaches that there' very little chance of that happening.

willie warrior · « **Reply #45 on:** March 31, 2014, 03:31:26 PM »

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 31, 2014, 12:58:17 PM

http://www.jrn.com/wtmj/wi-sports/Report-Marquette-search-down-to-two-major-candidates-253226751.html

Trebby says it is down to Wojo and Martin. He mentions Gary Parrish as the source but I couldn't find the original leak.

I'd say the smart money is on Wojo

EDIT: WRONG LINK!!!

Neither of these guys is an impact hire. If true, doesn,t say much for the "stallions" conducting the search.

Scooter22 · « **Reply #46 on:** March 31, 2014, 04:27:45 PM »

I grew up in TN and my brother is a UT alum. Football reigns there...whatever others may say. The problem with Martin is that he wasn't Pearl... he was never given much of a chance from the gitgo.

I am warming up to him as MU coach, if it happens.

NotAnAlum · « **Reply #47 on:** March 31, 2014, 05:55:37 PM »

Just compare the 2 honestly

CM has shown that he can turn around a program (Missouri State) Wojo - no

CM has won in the tourne, granted only once but he has won. Wojo no

People question CM's recruiting. When CM was the assistant at Purdue he recruited a number of top players from the midwest and Purdue is not the easiest place to recruit to. You can question his recruiting depth at Tenn even though he did pull in a couple 5 star players. The only legitimate comparison with Wojo is the time at Purdue. On top of that Wojo was ranked the 17th best recruiter while he was working for DUKE. By comparison both O'Neill and Crean had the rep as the best recruiting assistant in the nation when they got the MU gig. Sorry 17th best isn't good enough, especially at Duke.

CM comes with a staff that is ready to go and all has experience in the SEC. Wojo would have to build his staff from scratch.

On top of all of this if everything is equal, and they are not, I think you give the benefit of the doubt to the black head coach.

I don't like having only 2 choice but since the title of the thread is "Then there were 2" this is a no brainer. You go with Martin

77ncaachamps · « **Reply #48 on:** March 31, 2014, 05:58:47 PM »

I'm not enthralled by the two, but then again, I wasn't with Buzz's hire.

I prefer HC experience, but Martin would need to deliver big time especially with recruiting. He may be here for about half a decade so it could give MU some time to target their next coach.
I like Wojo's intensity and tutelage under Coach K, but not knowing how to run a team as a HC can backfire. And when Coach K retires, will Wojo bail?

My take?

Go with Wojo and pray to God he turns out to be anything like Josh Pastner.
Our recruiting needs to NOT lose a step.

TAMU, Knower of Ball · « **Reply #49 on:** March 31, 2014, 07:09:53 PM »

Mark Miller ‏@WisBBYearbook 7m
Tennessee coach Cuonzo Martin or Duke assistant Steve Wojciechowski? It appears Marquette's coaching search is down to those two candidates.

melissasmooth · « **Reply #50 on:** March 31, 2014, 07:16:06 PM »

I wouldn't be surprised if a third still emerges.

MMPT947 · « **Reply #51 on:** March 31, 2014, 07:17:49 PM »

Quote from: melissasmooth on March 31, 2014, 07:16:06 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if a third still emerges.

I agree, maybe these 2 are just the favorites right now? Or perhaps just the most likely to accept if offered [aka will]/most likely to get an offer

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