Wojo

[Jay Bee]

I could get on board with Wojo to MU, even if he is a Pole.

[Blackhat]

Such a crap shoot with Wojo...I will say when it was Wojo and K on staff and no Nate James, Capel on staff, it was traditional city for a period of 5 years there.

[mike_long]

You're missing the point.
What Quin Snyder or Mike Brey or Johnny Dawkins or any other Duke assistant accomplished as a head coach has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on Wojo's future success/lack of success as a head coach. None. Zero. Zilch.

He'll rise or fall on his own merits. It's borderline retarded to suggest what Bob Bender did at Washington and Quin Snyder did at Mizzou a decade ago has some bearing on the futures of Chris Collins or Steve Wojciechowski.

Some of you guys get caught up in such irrelevant bull----. Six years ago, it was "the process," as if MU's failure to follow some proscribed process in hiring Brent had anything to do with whether or not he could coach and recruit.
Now it's the "coaching tree," as if what some other former Duke guy did at another school in 2004 has any effect on Wojo could do at Marquette today.
Ugh.

Obviously, he is his own man. But stating that his success or failure is solely based on his merits is simply wrong. Assistant coaches learn/absorb/develop much of their coaching style/technique from their boss. Not saying an assistant is identical to their coach but you cant say a head coach doesnt have any influence on his assistants. So yes, comparing other coaches to Wojo is completely fair. The FACT is that Duke assistants do not succeed at a head coach level. It is statistically proven. You can argue til your blue in the face about it, but you will be wrong.

And dont say the word retarded, it makes you sound more ignorant than your argument already is.

[mike_long]

Obviously, he is his own man. But stating that his success or failure is solely based on his merits is simply wrong. Assistant coaches learn/absorb/develop much of their coaching style/technique from their boss. Not saying an assistant is identical to their coach but you cant say a head coach doesnt have any influence on his assistants. So yes, comparing other coaches to Wojo is completely fair. The FACT is that Duke assistants do not succeed at a head coach level. It is statistically proven. You can argue til your blue in the face about it, but you will be wrong.

And dont say the word retarded, it makes you sound more ignorant than your argument already is, and it's incredibly offensive.

[muhoops1]

I believe Wojo is or was in MKE.  He has also been contacted by Cal.

[Sailfish30]

Not sure i follow.  Obvious your a Carolina fan but you said FACT?  Dawkins, Snyder, Amaker, and Brey have all been successful and not failures.  Jeff Capel has winning pct over 65 pct.  Have they been coach k? No!  But time will tell.  If you want to see failure look at Jason capel, buzz Peterson etc.  Marquette could do worse than a assistant to coach K

[NavinRJohnson]

Maybe there's some sort of coaches clinic in Milwaukee this weekend. Seems like there's as many guys here, as there will be in Dallas next week.

[Pakuni]

Obviously, he is his own man. But stating that his success or failure is solely based on his merits is simply wrong. Assistant coaches learn/absorb/develop much of their coaching style/technique from their boss. Not saying an assistant is identical to their coach but you cant say a head coach doesnt have any influence on his assistants. So yes, comparing other coaches to Wojo is completely fair. The FACT is that Duke assistants do not succeed at a head coach level. It is statistically proven. You can argue til your blue in the face about it, but you will be wrong.

And dont say the word retarded, it makes you sound more ignorant than your argument already is.

I'm sorry if you're offended by my word choice.

That out of the way, excellent straw man post. Nobody suggested a head coach has no influence over his assistants. Nobody said anything close to that.
Rather, I'm pointing out the stupidity (offensive?) of trying to link Wojo's fate as a head coach - wherever that may be - to that of Quin Snyder, Mike Brey or whoever else you want to name. Every coach, every situation is different. Quin Snyder didn't flame out at Mizzou because he was a Duke assistant, he flamed out at Mizzou because he had dubious ethics and brought in kids of questionable character, then let them run the asylum. Mike Brey has been just decent not because he coached under Coach K, but because he's in charge of a program that strives for nothing more than to be just decent, and he's OK with that.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Not sure i follow.  Obvious your a Carolina fan but you said FACT?  Dawkins, Snyder, Amaker, and Brey have all been successful and not failures.  Jeff Capel has winning pct over 65 pct.  Have they been coach k? No!  But time will tell.  If you want to see failure look at Jason capel, buzz Peterson etc.  Marquette could do worse than a assistant to coach K

Snyder?  What are you talking about.

Dawkins, took over a program that went to the NCAAs 13 of the previous 14 years and managed to miss the NCAAs 5 straight years.

Amaker....maybe.

Brey, yes.

[Sailfish30]

Snyder?  What are you talking about.

Dawkins, took over a program that went to the NCAAs 13 of the previous 14 years and managed to miss the NCAAs 5 straight years.

Amaker....maybe.

Brey, yes.

snyder had a good run at Missouri.  He got in some recruiting trouble but had a good record.

[ChicosBailBonds]

snyder had a good run at Missouri.  He got in some recruiting trouble but had a good record.

Yes, got in some recruiting trouble.  He resigned and hasn't coached in DI since, instead opting for the NBA and other teams.

[Niv Berkowitz]

Well, you know what they say -

When you can hire an assistant over a three-time final four coach that wants to be here....you GOTTA take the assistant.

#impacthire

[avid1010]

the most successful coach from that tree is probably brey?  i wouldn't want him at mu. 

i hate all things duke, so i have a bias, but at this point wojo can only dream to make an elite 8 someday.  martin's done it.  i'm not sure wojo could even compete with collins in the midwest.  he's been sitting at duke for a while for a reason. 

have i mentioned i'd like howland?

[ecompt]

I don't understand if Howland really wants the job and Danny Manning might (key word) be interested if only someone called him, how we fall all the way down to Wojo. This may turn out to be a good hire, but it is nowhere near an impact hire.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Wojo is one of the top if not the top assistant in the nation. The main is considered a top recruiter and has spent the last 20 years learning from arguably the best coach in the business.

WHY THE HELL ARE WE COMPLAINING?

Seriously, someone explain this to me. Is he some pariah that I am not aware of? Trust me, I would have loved Shaka Smart but he's not walking through that door. I don't see a better option than Wojo.

This is a great hire for Marquette and will raise our program to new heights. I bet he manages to keep all of our players and 3/4 of next year's recruits.

I'm pretty sure after Smart fell through, no hire was going to make this group happy.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Wojo is one of the top if not the top assistant in the nation. The main is considered a top recruiter and has spent the last 20 years learning from arguably the best coach in the business.

WHY THE HELL ARE WE COMPLAINING?

Seriously, someone explain this to me. Is he some pariah that I am not aware of? Trust me, I would have loved Shaka Smart but he's not walking through that door. I don't see a better option than Wojo.

This is a great hire for Marquette and will raise our program to new heights. I bet he manages to keep all of our players and 3/4 of next year's recruits.

I'm pretty sure after Smart fell through, no hire was going to make this group happy.

TAMU, my concern is that when you are at DUKE things are just a lot easier.  You select, you don't recruit.  It's a bubble.  He, in particular, has NEVER been outside of that bubble which is concerning.

Now, someone can say UCLA is like that as well.  To a large extent they are correct, though Howland proved it at Pitt and Northern Arizona as well.  I'm not saying Howland is the guy, but if I had the choice between the two it would be Howland. 

Wojo loses recruits to Kentucky, UNC, UCLA, Louisville.  How frustrated is he going to be when he loses recruits to Iowa State, Wisconsin, Illinois, Minnesota, St. John's, etc? 

I worry that he's been in that bubble way too long.

[WadeATKBurton]

Looks like Wojo is the second choice. If TN wants to keep Martin then we get Wojo.

[WadeATKBurton]

By the way, ben howland is out of the picture.

[Pakuni]

I don't understand if Howland really wants the job and Danny Manning might (key word) be interested if only someone called him, how we fall all the way down to Wojo. This may turn out to be a good hire, but it is nowhere near an impact hire.

I don't get the obsession with an "impact hire." It's almost as if some of us are so stung by Brent leaving that we're more concerned with the validation of hiring a name coach than we are with getting the right guy.

I've gone on record as saying I'd be happy with Howland, but I also can see why he's not the slam dunk hire some seem to think he is. His run at UCLA ended very badly, not just failing to meet expectations on the court, but numerous off court issues and the highly questionable recruiting saga of Shabazz Muhammed. It's not unreasonable for the administration having some concerns there and at least consider alternatives.

Six years ago, the "impact hires" would have been Trent Johnson leaving Stanford for LSU (run out of town after four years); Tom Crean leaving Marquette for Indiana (mixed results, in a tenuous spot without a deep run next year); OSU hiring Travis Ford from UMass (on the hot seat); Cal landing Mike Montgomery after his disastrous NBA run (solid hire, but about to retire); and Providence hiring reigning Coach of the Year Keno Davis from Drake (fired after three seasons).
Some of these guys - Keno and Ford in particular - were being begged for by Scoopers.

In the meantime, along with Montgomery, the best hires that year were assistants Buzz Williams (Marquette), Geno Ford (Kent) and Cuonzo Martin (Missouri State).

Let's be more worried about getting the right guy than the guy who's name is going to be most recognizable on SportsCenter.

[Pakuni]

By the way, ben howland is out of the picture.

What are your sources for your last two posts?
Or are you the source?

[ChicosBailBonds]

By the way, ben howland is out of the picture.

Yup.   

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

By the way, ben howland is out of the picture.

Not out of the picture. Just put on the back burner

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

TAMU, my concern is that when you are at DUKE things are just a lot easier.  You select, you don't recruit.  It's a bubble.  He, in particular, has NEVER been outside of that bubble which is concerning.

Now, someone can say UCLA is like that as well.  To a large extent they are correct, though Howland proved it at Pitt and Northern Arizona as well.  I'm not saying Howland is the guy, but if I had the choice between the two it would be Howland. 

Wojo loses recruits to Kentucky, UNC, UCLA, Louisville.  How frustrated is he going to be when he loses recruits to Iowa State, Wisconsin, Illinois, Minnesota, St. John's, etc? 

I worry that he's been in that bubble way too long.

Those are all fair points and inspire debate and discussion. But the comments like "I'd rather have clahmydia" etc just pis me off.

Whoever we hire, I will welcome with open arms.

And while I see your points, I see the opposite. If you are used to battling Kentucky, UNC, Louisville, etc and winning, then imagine what you can do when you are battling Iowa State, Wisconsin, etc.

[WadeATKBurton]

What are your sources for your last two posts?
Or are you the source?

I posted the link in another thread

[jesmu84]

I posted the link in another thread

I looked through your past posts. No links posted that mention Howland being out of the picture. Please clarify.