What idiot(s) at MU are on board with a Cuonzo hiring?

[Cheeks]

Why bump this

I was trying to understand who MikeDeane's glasses is....went back to his first posts which started during the coaching search.  And aside from reading about how much he wants Dayton in the Big East, thought Collins from NW would be a good choice for MU, etc, I got a laugh out of Jockey /Brandx's comments....that's why.

I will say this, MikeDeane's glasses and I both thought Shaka would be great and both thought Cuonzo would not be good.  So we have certainly agreed on some things, too.

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

I was trying to understand who MikeDeane's glasses is....went back to his first posts which started during the coaching search.  And aside from reading about how much he wants Dayton in the Big East, thought Collins from NW would be a good choice for MU, etc, I got a laugh out of Jockey /Brandx's comments....that's why.

I will say this, MikeDeane's glasses and I both thought Shaka would be great and both thought Cuonzo would not be good.  So we have certainly agreed on some things, too.

Does Shaka recruit student athletes or "good guys" for Texas?  Does that explain the stagnancy of the program?  He had better results at VC - albeit, troubled players.

[Uncle Rico]

Does Shaka recruit student athletes or "good guys" for Texas?  Does that explain the stagnancy of the program?  He had better results at VC - albeit, troubled players.

He got lucky making the Final 4 in 2011.  His teams were pretty good at VCU, not great.  There was no guarantee he'd succeed moving to a tougher league

[The Sultan]

Shaka was in his second year, barely got into the NCAAs, won the play in game, and caught fire to the Final Four.  Other than that, he's won a couple conference tournaments with VCU and the NIT with Texas.  I don't think he has won an NCAA tournament game since, and no conference regular season titles.

I think he is terribly overrated given his actual success.

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

Shaka was in his second year, barely got into the NCAAs, won the play in game, and caught fire to the Final Four.  Other than that, he's won a couple conference tournaments with VCU and the NIT with Texas.  I don't think he has won an NCAA tournament game since, and no conference regular season titles.

I think he is terribly overrated given his actual success.

Texas has elite facilities and boosters, not to mention home state advantage for a lot of good basketball players.  I thought Shaka would be able to capitalize on that and could turn it into a potential Final Four run.  Not so much..... 

[brewcity77]

He got lucky making the Final 4 in 2011.  His teams were pretty good at VCU, not great.  There was no guarantee he'd succeed moving to a tougher league

That VCU team shouldn't have even made the field. Amazing run, but more amazing is what a career Shaka parlayed it into. And I was totally on board with that potential hiring too.

[Uncle Rico]

That VCU team shouldn't have even made the field. Amazing run, but more amazing is what a career Shaka parlayed it into. And I was totally on board with that potential hiring too.

Me, too.  I looked at the VCU teams pretty closely after "done deal" and remember thinking there wasn't a lot of meat on that bone other than a real good defense in 2013 that proceeded to get run off the court by Michigan.  Was never a fan of his offense but thought he'd be a great hire.  We will never know how he would have done here but success with him wouldn't have been a lock

[Cheeks]

That VCU team shouldn't have even made the field. Amazing run, but more amazing is what a career Shaka parlayed it into. And I was totally on board with that potential hiring too.

Classic crap shoot

[cheebs09]

Shaka was in his second year, barely got into the NCAAs, won the play in game, and caught fire to the Final Four.  Other than that, he's won a couple conference tournaments with VCU and the NIT with Texas.  I don't think he has won an NCAA tournament game since, and no conference regular season titles.

I think he is terribly overrated given his actual success.

The fact that he hadn't won any conference regular season titles helped me come to terms with "Done Deal." I feel that's a better predictor of success than a lucky few weeks in March when looking at MM coaches. Granted, I was excited for Havoc at Marquette.

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

The fact that he hadn't won any conference regular season titles helped me come to terms with "Done Deal." I feel that's a better predictor of success than a lucky few weeks in March when looking at MM coaches. Granted, I was excited for Havoc at Marquette.

I wouldn't call 5 wins in the NCAA tournament lucky - especially when 4 of them were by double digits.  VCU was knocked out by Butler and they played them closely too.

[MU82]

We talk about "program trajectory" here some, and a few Scoopers don't like it. But it is a "thing" worth noting IMHO.

Shaka's trajectory as a coach ... not so good.

Shaka's VCU team had that one ridiculous run, and nobody can take that away from him and his team. I'm not gonna call it lucky. It was amazing, and congrats to them.

But after that, he went out in the second round, second round, first round and first round at VCU. His last team there had its worst record in several years and finished in 4th place in the conference after several 2nd-place finishes.

And then at Texas, after doing OK (but making a first-round NCAA exit) with Barnes' leftover talent, he went 11-22 his second year, then 19-15, then 21-16. Has yet to win an NCAA tourney game at Texas, and has a 31-42 conference record. All despite having all the advantages Texas has to offer and despite recruiting some darn good talent, including 5-stars.

I can just imagine Wojo going 11-22 his second year and 31-42 in conference games into his 5th season. Scoop woulda been up for grabs.

I say all that even though, like most others, I would have been thrilled about him coming to Marquette. Maybe the dynamic would have been such that he would have won big here. Thanks to Mrs. Shaka, we'll never know!

[The Sultan]

I wouldn't call 5 wins in the NCAA tournament lucky - especially when 4 of them were by double digits.  VCU was knocked out by Butler and they played them closely too.

Since that Final Four, his record is marginally better than Wojo's. 

[Cheeks]

I wouldn't call 5 wins in the NCAA tournament lucky - especially when 4 of them were by double digits.  VCU was knocked out by Butler and they played them closely too.

I see, but when MU loses to South Carolina in the NCAAs who won four tournament games and damn near a fifth to play for the national title...well since MU was the victim of one of those losses that cannot stand.

Hmmm

[cheebs09]

I wouldn't call 5 wins in the NCAA tournament lucky - especially when 4 of them were by double digits.  VCU was knocked out by Butler and they played them closely too.

I was making a bit of a broader overall statement. John Groce immediately comes to mind as someone who cashed in on a good tournament performance whose resume was otherwise unimpressive.

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

I see, but when MU loses to South Carolina in the NCAAs who won four tournament games and damn near a fifth to play for the national title...well since MU was the victim of one of those losses that cannot stand.

Hmmm

It's one thing to lose to SC, but to be manhandled by them is another.  But go figure.....Frank Wright is a great coach.  If Wojo had lost by less than 10 I'd give him some credit.  Of course, I can't and won't have to because Wojo doesn't know how to create a defensive minded system that can win multiple tourney games.   You guys, my following of detractors, cannot seem to process this.  Instead your rebuttal is:  Buttttt the stats say Wojo is better now......   Yes, he's average, up from atrocious.  All you have to do is watch any game and see that the rotations, help, cutting off of passing lanes aren't run in a crisp manner as a unit.  Never have been, never will.  A good coach has his system implemented after he gets his guys into the program.  Wojo has had that time, but never has developed a system.  It's going to take a lot of luck to win multiple tourney games. 

I wanted Wojo to succeed but he just doesn't have the intellect to coach great Xs and Os.

[The Sultan]

It's one thing to lose to SC, but to be manhandled by them is another.  But go figure.....Frank Wright is a great coach.  If Wojo had lost by less than 10 I'd give him some credit.  Of course, I can't and won't have to because Wojo doesn't know how to create a defensive minded system that can win multiple tourney games.   You guys, my following of detractors, cannot seem to process this.  Instead your rebuttal is:  Buttttt the stats say Wojo is better now......   Yes, he's average, up from atrocious.  All you have to do is watch any game and see that the rotations, help, cutting off of passing lanes aren't run in a crisp manner as a unit.  Never have been, never will.  A good coach has his system implemented after he gets his guys into the program.  Wojo has had that time, but never has developed a system.  It's going to take a lot of luck to win multiple tourney games. 

I wanted Wojo to succeed but he just doesn't have the intellect to coach great Xs and Os.

Who the hell is Frank Wright?  You mean Frank Martin? The guy whose gone .500 since making the Final Four.

Do you even watch basketball?

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

Who the hell is Frank Wright?

Frank Martin.  Typo

I was reading a Frank Lloyd Wright article earlier.   

[Galway Eagle]

It's one thing to lose to SC, but to be manhandled by them is another.  But go figure.....Frank Wright is a great coach.  If Wojo had lost by less than 10 I'd give him some credit.  Of course, I can't and won't have to because Wojo doesn't know how to create a defensive minded system that can win multiple tourney games.   You guys, my following of detractors, cannot seem to process this.  Instead your rebuttal is:  Buttttt the stats say Wojo is better now......   Yes, he's average, up from atrocious.  All you have to do is watch any game and see that the rotations, help, cutting off of passing lanes aren't run in a crisp manner as a unit.  Never have been, never will.  A good coach has his system implemented after he gets his guys into the program.  Wojo has had that time, but never has developed a system.  It's going to take a lot of luck to win multiple tourney games. 

I wanted Wojo to succeed but he just doesn't have the intellect to coach great Xs and Os.

Didn't realise South Carolina was being coached by a famous architect.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Didn't realise South Carolina was being coached by a famous architect.

Their threes fall like water.

[Galway Eagle]

Their threes fall like water.

Been to most of the Frank Lloyd Wright houses and have never seen that one. Beautiful.

[Pakuni]

Didn't realise South Carolina was being coached by a famous architect.

His spacing is fantastic and his teams attack the rim fron unusual angles.

[Its DJOver]

Been to most of the Frank Lloyd Wright houses and have never seen that one. Beautiful.

Define most?  FLW is credited with over 400 works around the globe, and the majority of them are single family residencies.  All unique in their own way, but many are not overly noteworthy.  His all-time list can still go toe-to-toe with just about any architect in history.

[🏀]

Define most?  FLW is credited with over 400 works around the globe, and the majority of them are single family residencies.  All unique in their own way, but many are not overly noteworthy.  His all-time list can still go toe-to-toe with just about any architect in history.

Architect Fight! We've reached a new low!

[Galway Eagle]

Define most?  FLW is credited with over 400 works around the globe, and the majority of them are single family residencies.  All unique in their own way, but many are not overly noteworthy.  His all-time list can still go toe-to-toe with just about any architect in history.

Most was an overstatement but I'm within 4blocks to 5mi from over 30 of them and did the walk so at least been outside each of those. Then driven by quite a few more around Chicagoland Been to probably 4 in WI, a few in Michigan but I was young for those, one in Rockford I want to say? one in south bend and Taliesin. Not most by any means, but quite a few

Edit: drove by one in mass as well. And again was young for this but went to one in Canada.

[Its DJOver]

Most was an overstatement but I'm within 4blocks to 5mi from over 30 of them and did the walk so at least been outside each of those. Then driven by quite a few more around Chicagoland Been to probably 4 in WI, a few in Michigan but I was young for those, one in Rockford I want to say? one in south bend and Taliesin. Not most by any means, but quite a few

Nice.  Wasn't trying to be critical or anything, just genuinely curious.  It's amazing how many he has that are right in the middle of normal residential neighborhoods.  It's also funny that he is pretty much the sole creditor in the prairie style, and all most people know him for is the Guggenheim and Falling Water, neither of which are prairie.  Haven't been to Taliesin West yet, but its on the bucket list.  I also don't feel at all bad about taking this thread off topic, because it's a pretty stupid and pointless thread anyways.