Goodman: Marquette targeting Martin

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

and shaka lost to Stephen F Austin ... you guys are obsessed with hiring a big name, which I don't understand considering the success MU has had with assistants ...

That's because there's a lack of intelligence.  (see posters that consistently write phrases and short sentences)  The people who know what they're talking about typically write complete thoughts, and don't adhere to an ESPN, soap opera mentality. 

[NavinRJohnson]

That game being played that you guys are talking about? You're not supposed to talk about that game.

[dgies9156]

OK, it's time for a reality check.

Of course they're looking at multiple candidates and multiple ideas. Why wouldn't they? Bill Cords was right in that Marquette is a destination program. Sorry Buzz, VaTech was not.

Dudes and dudettes, if you were spending $2.5 million, you'd be taking your jolly-ass time too! Heck, most of the posters on this board would be taking more time than Marquette is if they were spending were $2.50! Many of you are from Wisconsin, after all!

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

OK, it's time for a reality check.

Of course they're looking at multiple candidates and multiple ideas. Why wouldn't they? Bill Cords was right in that Marquette is a destination program. Sorry Buzz, VaTech was not.

Dudes and dudettes, if you were spending $2.5 million, you'd be taking your jolly-ass time too! Heck, most of the posters on this board would be taking more time than Marquette is if they were spending were $2.50! Many of you are from Wisconsin, after all!

2.5 million?  That's a lot of money for Cuonzo !!!  Currently, he makes 1.3 million.  I don't see MU doubling his salary.  1.7 million/year with incentives seems appropriate for a man who was just on the hot seat.  Granted, I don't think they should hire a guy who was a shot away from not making the NCAA tourney. 

[Jay Bee]

Keeping in mind that Martin couldn't even discuss the job leave alone interview until his team was out of the tourney I would expect things to get serious now and fast.  I assume that Jon Harris (who for sure knows Cords well from his time as a player) has been the back channel to get MU interested and assess that there would be interest from Martin.
My best case scenario goes like this: MU would prefer to hire a black HC assuming a guy they believe is qualified is available.  That's Martin.  They want to interview him, ask some tough questions, not the least of which is will you bolt on us in the next 3 years if the Purdue job opens.  At the same time they interview Howland (remember this is my best case scenario).  If Martin passes the interview and accepts the details he gets the job.  If not he uses the interview to pressure Tenn for more security and more $$.  Then they turn and offer the job to Howland.  MU rationalizes "We tried to hire a black HC but it didn't work out".  Having two guys interview and one guy announced a day or so later looks just fine.  Maybe Wardle gets and interview as a courtesy and a marker for next time and more money from UWGB.

Ben is my guy, simple as that.

But, it would be pretty funny if Cuonzo saved $1.3MM by leaving Tennessee this coming Tuesday instead of Monday. (Which realistically probably would save MU $1.3MM or thereabouts.)

[Jay Bee]

2.5 million?  That's a lot of money for Cuonzo !!!  Currently, he makes 1.3 million.  I don't see MU doubling his salary.  1.7 million/year with incentives seems appropriate for a man who was just on the hot seat.  Granted, I don't think they should hire a guy who was a shot away from not making the NCAA tourney. 

Those numbers get thrown around loosely, but - I think $1.8M to $2.0M sounds within reason... whereas $2.5M guaranteed would not.

There are details that change how people would look at some contracts if they knew the details.. an example here is that Martin has an extreme easy APR target to reach and pocket extra earnings each year at UT. Some incentives are "gimmes"... almost guaranteed, but just at risk a tiny bit.

The devil is usually in the details. VERY true with college coaching contracts.

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

Ben is my guy, simple as that.

But, it would be pretty funny if Cuonzo saved $1.3MM by leaving Tennessee this coming Tuesday instead of Monday. (Which realistically probably would save MU $1.3MM or thereabouts.)

I agree.  Ben seems better than Cuonzo to me.  Cuonzo seems like a huge risk that could back fire.  At least with Howland, you already know what you are getting - Top Notch Defense and solid recruits.  

[Markusquette]

I agree.  Ben seems better than Cuonzo to me.  Cuonzo seems like a huge risk that could back fire.  At least with Howland, you already know what you are getting - Top Notch Defense and solid recruits.  

I'm willing to bet at this point there would be little parity in recruiting between Howland and Martin.  Martin is younger, easy to relate to and Howland is no longer at UCLA. 

[Eldon]

when did race have anything to do with this?

Thank you so much for putting that line in your signature. 

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

I'm willing to bet at this point there would be little parity in recruiting between Howland and Martin.  Martin is younger, easy to relate to and Howland is no longer at UCLA. 

You can't judge recruiting ability by the age of the person.  There are just too many older coaches out there that debunk that theory.  Plus, Cuonzo's recruiting hasn't been the greatest most of his recruits are 2-3 stars, with about two 4-5 star recruits.  That's going over a 3 year period.  Howland's recruiting record was better @ Pitt than Cuonzo's Tennessee recruits. 

[miggs0721]

Ok, If Howland is the guy, who fills out his staff besides Wainwright???

[bradley center bat]

UT barely made the tourney.  I give Martin credit for getting them to last night, but they barely squeaked in the field.  This after two NIT's.

And we're hot for Martin, why exactly? 

Someone please explain this?  He's no more qualified than Wardle.

Three years in the SEC isn't more qualified than Brian Wardle.

[NavinRJohnson]

Ok, If Howland is the guy, who fills out his staff besides Wainwright???

Wainwright will not been the staff. But this is what I find commical about the comments that Howland won't be able to recruit because he's a wrinkled up old white guy. Nobody has any idea who will be in his staff. Who will he bring in to recruit. That talk is just silly.

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

Ok, If Howland is the guy, who fills out his staff besides Wainwright???

Korey McCray?  That was his last assistant @ UCLA.  He's recruited some decent guys. 

[Nevada233]

I wonder if Maymons Dad gonna help us get their coach. Lol.

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

I wonder if Maymons Dad gonna help us get their coach. Lol.

   I'm sure Maymon's dad is telling everyone that he probably has something to do with it.  I don't think I've ever heard of a guy that thinks more of himself.  My guess is that Maymon will play overseas in Europe.  The funny thing will be that if Maymon's dad goes to Europe, he's going to have a tough time talking to people that don't speak English.  Then again.... I think most people just tuned him out anyways! 

[Nevada233]

   I'm sure Maymon's dad is telling everyone that he probably has something to do with it.  I don't think I've ever heard of a guy that thinks more of himself.  My guess is that Maymon will play overseas in Europe.  The funny thing will be that if Maymon's dad goes to Europe, he's going to have a tough time talking to people that don't speak English.  Then again.... I think most people just tuned him out anyways! 

Maymons dad thought Jerrone was Tim Duncan. . .
If his dad goes to europe he wont be there long.

[Niv Berkowitz]

I agree.  Ben seems better than Cuonzo to me.  Cuonzo seems like a huge risk that could back fire.  At least with Howland, you already know what you are getting - Top Notch Defense and solid recruits.  

Holy shite Deane! That's common sense talking!!

Howland is a Cadillac waiting to be driven into the garage.

Unless this Martin is a misguided ruse to try and lower Howlands price, the reward is not worth the risk. Get Howland here. IMHO. He is by far my guy. More prepared than Martin, pedigreed and a proven winner.

Martin is not worth the risk vs Howland.

[Class71]

Yes, it's good to hear from a national source that Howland is still in the mix.

Hey what do I know but IMHO Howland is very interested and a no brainer. What am I missing? Truly the only consistent national level winner. Geter down MU.

[bradley center bat]

Players that quit and hated Howland.

[We R Final Four]

Keeping in mind that Martin couldn't even discuss the job leave alone interview until his team was out of the tourney I would expect things to get serious now and fast.  I assume that Jon Harris (who for sure knows Cords well from his time as a player) has been the back channel to get MU interested and assess that there would be interest from Martin.
My best case scenario goes like this: MU would prefer to hire a black HC assuming a guy they believe is qualified is available.  That's Martin.  They want to interview him, ask some tough questions, not the least of which is will you bolt on us in the next 3 years if the Purdue job opens.  At the same time they interview Howland (remember this is my best case scenario).  If Martin passes the interview and accepts the details he gets the job.  If not he uses the interview to pressure Tenn for more security and more $$.  Then they turn and offer the job to Howland.  MU rationalizes "We tried to hire a black HC but it didn't work out".  Having two guys interview and one guy announced a day or so later looks just fine.  Maybe Wardle gets and interview as a courtesy and a marker for next time and more money from UWGB.

Q: "Mr. Martin---would you ever leave MU for a school such as Purdue if the job became available in say 3 year?"

A: "No way. Never. I will stay at MU as long as they will have me."

I'm satisfied.

[GooooMarquette]

Ok, If Howland is the guy, who fills out his staff besides Wainwright???

With Howland's past accomplishments and the money MU has been willing to pay other assistants, his staff would not be a concern.  Dude didn't win a bunch of conference championships and tournament games by being unable to hire assistants....

[Blackhat]

What the f____ is the hold up??

Sit down with Howland and get our coach.

Hmmm tough choice Ben Howland or Cuonzo friggin Martin.   Man what idiots.

[chapman]

What the f____ is the hold up??

Sit down with Howland and get our coach.

Hmmm tough choice Ben Howland or Cuonzo friggin Martin.   Man what idiots.

+1.  Yep, I hear Boeheim, K, Pitino, Roy, Larry Brown, Beilein, Bo, and Huggins all struggle to get recruits because they're old and white.  And while they have assistants to help with recruiting, Howland will not be allowed any.  Amateur hour. 

But oh, and did you see that SI article? 

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

Holy crape Deane! That's common sense talking!!

Howland is a Cadillac waiting to be driven into the garage.

Unless this Martin is a misguided ruse to try and lower Howlands price, the reward is not worth the risk. Get Howland here. IMHO. He is by far my guy. More prepared than Martin, pedigreed and a proven winner.

Martin is not worth the risk vs Howland.

I concur.  I think MU is pulling Martin in to put pressure on Howland to lower his price.  Either way, MU should investigate and talk to all candidates on their list.  MU can sit back for a week or two still.  Clearly, none of the other programs with open coaching positions are worth taking.  MU is the top spot, so we do have the luxury of making a well thought out, business decision.