OT WIAA to consider 1.65 mulitiplier

[TheBurrEffect]

Instead of a multiplier, they should really be looking at individual schools + sports. Ie: Someone like Dominican should move up on basketball due to the huge amount of success and talent, where as the football there sucks. this way some of the small religious schools that dot the d7 line in all sports won't suddenly be boosted up to d4-5 and get smashed every single game in every single sport.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

Instead of a multiplier, they should really be looking at individual schools + sports. Ie: Someone like Dominican should move up on basketball due to the huge amount of success and talent, where as the football there sucks. this way some of the small religious schools that dot the d7 line in all sports won't suddenly be boosted up to d4-5 and get smashed every single game in every single sport.

I know in Connecticut high schools move up to the larger school class if they keep winning.  There's some formula where if your school finishes near the top over successive years they bump you up a class.

[starting5]

Public schools cannot recruit through open enrollment. First, there must be space available.  Second, if there is space available, selection is a lottery.  Third, for school districts that take in nonresident students, they generally do so in the early grades.  I've defended districts in this process.

I don't know the answer, but when Dominican, Pius, WI and Milwaukee Lutheran can offer free tuition to students (via Milwaukee Parental Choice Program), it will be very difficult for similarly-sized public schools to compete in some sports, particulary sports in which African-Americans from Milwaukee truly excel.

That is the way it is supposed to go.  There is always the exceptions for the star athletes.  One public school in my area took 3 girls from my kids school to play soccer and basketball and have also taken several others from other schools in the county. So with open enrollment public schools recruit just as much.   

[Coleman]

Public schools cannot recruit through open enrollment. First, there must be space available.  Second, if there is space available, selection is a lottery.  Third, for school districts that take in nonresident students, they generally do so in the early grades.  I've defended districts in this process.

I don't know the answer, but when Dominican, Pius, WI and Milwaukee Lutheran can offer free tuition to students (via Milwaukee Parental Choice Program), it will be very difficult for similarly-sized public schools to compete in some sports, particulary sports in which African-Americans from Milwaukee truly excel.

Public school enrollment in Wisconsin is near historic lows. There is plenty of room.

[Coleman]

I know in Connecticut high schools move up to the larger school class if they keep winning.  There's some formula where if your school finishes near the top over successive years they bump you up a class.

But the public schools wouldn't want that, because it applies to them.

[Let's Go Warriors]

I hate all this recruitment stuff in HS.  In the past if a kid was really serious about a sport, sometimes it was his best/only option to get coached by a good coach and be in a good program.  IMO this has destroyed the town pride/neighborhood feeling of the high school teams.

Nowadays there is AAU and club teams for kids that are extremely serious about a sport and in pursuit of a college sholarship.  These star kids transfer in and take a spot from a kid could have been involved in the sport at that town for 8-10 years.  A good friend of mines kid was in a program since 4th grade and got replaced this past year.  His senior year. 6'6" slated to be a solid rotation player or even starter.  Decided to quit after he did make the team because he was not going to play that much.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Illinois is just on size. But pending on the sport their are different amounts of divisions. For example football goes to 8A basketball goes 4A soccer, XC, and others go 3A and others just have 1.

They readjust every year and I do think they do it based on competitiveness in some cases. When I was in high school we were in the biggest division for everything. Well besides cross country, track and 16" softball our school sucked at sports. The year after I left they dropped down a division  in every sport except for XC. So in Illinois they do base some on competition.

In terms of recruiting schools like Whitney can get away with it because of selective enrollment. They are technically a public school but they get to pick and choose what students they want at their school. I dont agree with using it for basketball players but thats the way it is.

[SaveOD238]

Disclaimer: I teach at St. Cats in Racine, so my school stands to lose something if this multiplier does get passed.

It sounds to me like the jealousy problem Kenosha refered to is "small public school from rural Wisconsin" vs "private school from urban Wisconsin". I totally understand the jealousy, and it's true that the private schools can implement a "system" just like some public schools can.  I see 7th and 8th graders doing off-season conditioning with the football team at least once a week in the building.

Why doesn't the state divide the problem classes (4, 5, 6) into private/public school divisions?  It was pretty stupid that St. Cats football was undefeated (except one loss to a big public school in IL) but had to go on the road to the middle of nowhere southwest Wisconsin because they were in the same division in the playoffs due to school size. 

How about this (and I'm just making up numbers)

1- 1700+
2- 1200-1699
3- 900-1199
4- 500-899 (public)
4A- 500-899 (private)
5- 1-499 (public)
5A- 1-499 (private)

Crap...there's six divisions.  But you get my point.  Rural public schools don't have to run into top-notch private programs like St. Cats or Dominican, and private schools don't have to suffer from playing up with the big public schools.

[Coleman]

Disclaimer: I teach at St. Cats in Racine, so my school stands to lose something if this multiplier does get passed.

It sounds to me like the jealousy problem Kenosha refered to is "small public school from rural Wisconsin" vs "private school from urban Wisconsin". I totally understand the jealousy, and it's true that the private schools can implement a "system" just like some public schools can.  I see 7th and 8th graders doing off-season conditioning with the football team at least once a week in the building.

Why doesn't the state divide the problem classes (4, 5, 6) into private/public school divisions?  It was pretty stupid that St. Cats football was undefeated (except one loss to a big public school in IL) but had to go on the road to the middle of nowhere southwest Wisconsin because they were in the same division in the playoffs due to school size.  

How about this (and I'm just making up numbers)

1- 1700+
2- 1200-1699
3- 900-1199
4- 500-899 (public)
4A- 500-899 (private)
5- 1-499 (public)
5A- 1-499 (private)

Crap...there's six divisions.  But you get my point.  Rural public schools don't have to run into top-notch private programs like St. Cats or Dominican, and private schools don't have to suffer from playing up with the big public schools.

I'm fine with the logic, but having 7 divisions for basketball in a state the size of Wisconsin is ridiculous.

They should have 3 or 4 tops.

And I think the 5 and 5A winners should have to play, and 4 and 4A winners

[WadeATKBurton]

How about a shot clock??? One of the main reasons why Wisconsin high school basketball suck is because they dont have a SHOT CLOCK

[Coleman]

How about a shot clock??? One of the main reasons why Wisconsin high school basketball suck is because they dont have a SHOT CLOCK

Does any high school state have shot clocks?

[WadeATKBurton]

Does any high school state have shot clocks?

Plenty

[WadeATKBurton]

Does any high school state have shot clocks?

CA, MA, MD, NY, ND, RI and WA

[ChicosBailBonds]

CA, MA, MD, NY, ND, RI and WA

Yup, even the girls out here have a shot clock in high school.....35 seconds for the boys, 30 seconds for the girls.  Same as the NCAA rules.

[TheBurrEffect]

How about a shot clock??? One of the main reasons why Wisconsin high school basketball suck is because they dont have a SHOT CLOCK

I've seen people at high school games who can barley keep a scoreboard clock running, good god what would happen when they have to do a shot clock?

[Coleman]

I've seen people at high school games who can barley keep a scoreboard clock running, good god what would happen when they have to do a shot clock?

Not to mention the added equipment of actually getting one set up on either end of the floor. It took my high school 5 years to get enough money for a new scoreboard...

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Shot clock in high school is a terrible idea. Plus agree with other posters that a lot of schools wouldnt have the finds to make it happen.

[WadeATKBurton]

Shot clock in high school is a terrible idea. Plus agree with other posters that a lot of schools wouldnt have the finds to make it happen.

I guess you like stall ball then.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

I guess you like stall ball then.

Hate it, but I have been around the high school game my entire life and have only seen it by one team and that is Highland Park. Love the high school game, pretty fast paced actually.

[WadeATKBurton]

Hate it, but I have been around the high school game my entire life and have only seen it by one team and that is Highland Park. Love the high school game, pretty fast paced actually.

Please, maybe not where you're at but EVERY school in Wisconsin play stall ball. Even the city schools!

[Warhawk Warrior]

The multiplier considers the number of special needs kids that are in the public schools who seldom participate in sports.  Private schools don't have the resources or are for the most part unprepared to handle special needs.

[rocket surgeon]

catholic memorial in waukesha is a d-2 basketball and soccer and d-3 football in a conference of all d-1 and d-2 schools.  their football teams typically will have 28-35 players on their rosters with guys going both ways.  football coach bill young has been a stud forth the last 35 years and will be in the state hall of fame with a winning percentage of over 65% .  they have qualified for the playoffs many times competing in this division.  as a matter of fact, they compete equally well in all sports within the division of larger schools. 

as for public school recruiting-exhibit a,  germantown basketball   

[Coleman]

The multiplier considers the number of special needs kids that are in the public schools who seldom participate in sports.  Private schools don't have the resources or are for the most part unprepared to handle special needs.

So there are 65 special needs kids to every 100 non special needs kids in a public school? That seems a little high.

[WarhawkWarrior]

Probably about 15 to 30% in Milwaukee.  When you consider academic eligibility the 65%factor is light for the Milwaukee area.  You can't put the blame on the kids.