Horrendously coached year...

[Nevada233]

Exactly.....

[BenCat12]

Then say something substantive.  Not just paragraphs full of cliches.  

Says the guy who defends every move Buzz makes without any original thought.

[bradley center bat]

That's making it?.... ::)Ok, how is that kool aid?

I don't know you or care to, but Vander made more money in 10 days than you did in 2 year!

[Newsdreams]

That's making it?.... ::)Ok, how is that kool aid?

Played for Celtics briefly, but he did!

[jesmu84]

His rotations suggest it is true.  He starts lesser talented players at 4 of the 5 positions on the floor because they give a better effort. 

You always go after the highest caliber players you can get.

If this is the long term plan though, to bring in high caliber guys and get them to put in their max effort before they see the court, doesn't that allow for very successful teams in the end? Imagine JJJ, Burton, Duane, Dawson 3 years from now, with their talent plus max effort all over the court. Wouldn't that be a good scenario? And underclassmen below them would see the success and effort that would cause them to repeat the cycle. I don't know if that's Buzz's strategy, but it looks good.

[brandx]

He starts lesser talented players at 4 of the 5 positions on the floor because they give a better effort. 

Completely stupid remark.

[brandx]

If this is the long term plan though, to bring in high caliber guys and get them to put in their max effort before they see the court, doesn't that allow for very successful teams in the end? Imagine JJJ, Burton, Duane, Dawson 3 years from now, with their talent plus max effort all over the court. Wouldn't that be a good scenario? And underclassmen below them would see the success and effort that would cause them to repeat the cycle. I don't know if that's Buzz's strategy, but it looks good.

+1000

Ad I think Deonte and JJJ will be outstanding as soon as next year. They have the talent and this year they have learned the difference between high school ball and college ball and how much more effort is required in college.

[BenCat12]

"Ruthless" fans who just speculate who is going to transfer and blast our coach who has never missed the tournament...and this after a victory? Why should you be "disgusted" with this season? It's been a rough ride...so what? Does ripping teenagers make you feel better? Not speaking of you in particular, but the treatment of Derrick Wilson on this board is atrocious and offensive. We are a Jesuit institution and we have grown men throwing fits about the fact that he plays too many minutes, while guys who were "high school stars" (Whoppee!) are not playing enough for them. It's absolutely pathetic.

1.  I don't speculate who is going to transfer, but I certainly understand why they would.
2.  When this board is quiet after a win you and the other Buzz apologists comment about how quiet is, you can't have it both ways
3.  I don't rip players, this is on Buzz, and he deserves every bit of criticism he is getting this year.
4.  Bottom line, we are all Marquette fans, some of us have higher expectations than others, some have been fans longer than others, but we all are entitled to our opinions.  Especially when those opinions have solid facts to back them up.  The "All-Americans" need to respect that.  The

[BenCat12]

I don't know you or care to, but Vander made more money in 10 days than you did in 2 year!

Again, personal attack and nothing to do with the topic.  A ten day contract is not "making it."

[GGGG]

Says the guy who defends every move Buzz makes without any original thought.

Sorry but no. 

[GGGG]

That's making it?.... ::)Ok, how is that kool aid?

It is a factually accurate statement.  Sorry that the truth bothers you.

[BenCat12]

Completely stupid remark.

Keep talking smart, what is wrong about that?
Gardner more talented than Otule
Dawson more talented than D. Wilson
JJJ and Mayo more talented than Jake
Everyone is more talented than Juan

[wadesworld]

Again, personal attack and nothing to do with the topic.  A ten day contract is not "making it."

What is it?

[Archies Bat]

1.  I don't speculate who is going to transfer, but I certainly understand why they would.
2.  When this board is quiet after a win you and the other Buzz apologists comment about how quiet is, you can't have it both ways
3.  I don't rip players, this is on Buzz, and he deserves every bit of criticism he is getting this year.
4.  Bottom line, we are all Marquette fans, some of us have higher expectations than others, some have been fans longer than others, but we all are entitled to our opinions.  Especially when those opinions have solid facts to back them up.  The "All-Americans" need to respect that.  The

Just curious... I missed "All-Americans" entry into Scoop.   I've heard other posters called slurpers, trolls, ignorant, drunk, stobborn and many more, but not this.

Who are they, and when/why  did they get that title?  Just trying to keep up.

[bilsu]

I have no idea, if anyone is transferring. However, since a lot of you are claiming that JJJ is transferring. Is he transferring, because he is not playing or is Buzz not playing him, because he is transferring? As far as coaching, I am coming to the conclusion that this might be Buzz's best coaching year. Given by this boards astute analysis we have the worse starting point guard and the worse starting shooting guard in the league is it not truly amazing that we are tied for 3rd place?

[BenCat12]

If this is the long term plan though, to bring in high caliber guys and get them to put in their max effort before they see the court, doesn't that allow for very successful teams in the end? Imagine JJJ, Burton, Duane, Dawson 3 years from now, with their talent plus max effort all over the court. Wouldn't that be a good scenario? And underclassmen below them would see the success and effort that would cause them to repeat the cycle. I don't know if that's Buzz's strategy, but it looks good.

Than why isn't it working this year?  
If everyone stays four years and ego's are removed from the equation this is a solid long term plan.  Again this goes back to me asking how many players have made it 4 years under Buzz?

[wadesworld]

Keep talking smart, what is wrong about that?
Gardner more talented than Otule
Dawson more talented than D. Wilson
JJJ and Mayo more talented than Jake
Everyone is more talented than Juan

"Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard."

If Buzz thinks the "talent" isn't working hard enough for the "hard work" to beat them, then the "hard work" damn well better be on the floor.

[GGGG]

Keep talking smart, what is wrong about that?
Gardner more talented than Otule
Dawson more talented than D. Wilson
JJJ and Mayo more talented than Jake
Everyone is more talented than Juan

Having more tools...or more talent....does not make them better basketball players right now.

As I said, you and others seem to want to have a series of one-on-ones to determine the starting line up.

[Eldon]

Just curious... I missed "All-Americans" entry into Scoop.   I've heard other posters called slurpers, trolls, ignorant, drunk, stobborn and many more, but not this.

Who are they, and when/why  did they get that title?  Just trying to keep up.

I was wondering what the hell he was talking about as well, but then I realized that he must be talking about the poster rank above the stars.  It goes from walk-on to starter to something to ultimately All-American, all based on the total number of posts.

[BenCat12]

Having more tools...or more talent....does not make them better basketball players right now.

As I said, you and others seem to want to have a series of one-on-ones to determine the starting line up.

Never said they were better basketball players right now, I said they are more talented.  It is not an all or nothing argument.  I just find it ridiculous the minutes and leashes given to the young guys in comparison to the upper classmen, when there isn't a significant difference in the on court results.  It is a joke and will no doubt cost us in the future.

[4everwarriors]

Also, no chance Duane transfers. He would have to sit out ANOTHER year and since he already used his redshirt year he would only get 3 years to play. JJJ also, I dont see him wanting to sit out a year.

Wilson may not have to sit out due to this redshirt season with injury and such. That could explain why he didn't move at semester break.

[4everwarriors]

I heard Looney's going to Duke!

Not what he told me last Wednesday.

[Archies Bat]

I was wondering what the hell he was talking about as well, but then I realized that he must be talking about the poster rank above the stars.  It goes from walk-on to starter to something to ultimately All-American, all based on the total number of posts.

Thanks for clarifying, I was trying to figure out if it was a compliment or not.

[GGGG]

Never said they were better basketball players right now, I said they are more talented.  It is not an all or nothing argument.  I just find it ridiculous the minutes and leashes given to the young guys in comparison to the upper classmen, when there isn't a significant difference in the on court results.  It is a joke and will no doubt cost us in the future.

No significant difference in on court results?

You realize that since Buzz shortened his line up and went with the more experienced guys, that they have won four out of five?

[Niv Berkowitz]

Why isn't it working this year? I don't know. Maybe it's the players in particularly the seniors who lack court knowledge or as much skill as prior seniors or leaders?  Maybe it's Buzz. Either way, again, this effing board and what it's turned into this year - even a win - is a farce.

So after 8 years of making the tournament, a) Buzz sucks, b) nobody in their right mind would ever want to play for him/Marquette, c) half the team is gone because we all know more than Buzz and he's o violist being unfair to Dawson and JJJ.

We've become spoiled here. Most programs haven't had the consistent success we have had. Time to lighten up Francis.