Scoop and MU Guards

[BallBoy]

Yeah I'll admit it is hard to say with any sort of certainty if we would have won any of those other games but a few things...

First while he can't be labeled the problem he's certainly a big part of it. It's why with him finally running the show we are so much worse than any MU team in a decade.
I have never once said Wilson wasn't a part of it.  I just don't think he is as big of a part of it as everyone else.  I would say he is 1/8th of the problem.

SDSU wasn't close for a while the entire game was literally neck and neck. Ironically it was derricks guy who went off and we ended up losing. That one we probably win with Dawson. OSU couldn't of been any worse at least
So what about Dawson tells you we win that game.  Has Dawson shown he could shut down a lights out hot shooter?

Overall ASU was a good game for derrick but Carson went off and we gave up 79 points. Not a ringing endorsement for the buzz claimed best defender. Then UNM I think we win with Dawson. Offense completely stalled in that one with Derrick in the game.
Interesting take on UNM but I don't see it.  Just out of curiosity, why do we win? His defense?  Offense?  Interestingly enough Derrick only played 25 minutes so the impact couldn't have been that much by Dawson.  

Butler was a good game for him stat wise but did you not see that awful 15 minute stretch? Since everyone was so bad you can't blame him but as a PG he generated nothing for 15 minutes...
Statsheet.com rated Wilson our second best player that game.

Just as a side note, the two guys Dawson would have helped guard in the Georgetown game went off for 28pts and 24 Pts respectfully.  I would have to go back to see which one Dawson guarded.  Jahii Carson who "went off" only had 23points

Draft express has Carson as the first pick in the second round.  Neither Smith-Rivera nor Starks are listed.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2014/

[Texas Western]

I've been here since 2008 ...

* ripped DJ for playing poorly

* Went nuts about Cube and Acker as they were too small and not D1 guards.

* Ripped Vander so bad some were banned from this board.

* collectively saw their heads explode when D Buycks ran the point

* bitter complained about Junior

* cannot stand it when Dwill is on the floor.

Anyone notice a trend here?  And while we were constantly whining about out lousy guard play ...

* Top 10 ranking in 2009 and 2013
* S16 in 2011 and 2012
* E8 in 2013

All those prior guards were trained to improve their on the court decisions. Junior being a prime example . The problem with Derrick is he cannot shoot, at this point in his career nothing will change that. Buzz thinks he can reform this kid but he can't and meanwhile our season will go down the drain.

[Tugg Speedman]

You're right.  Doesn't change the fact that people called for Buycks head.  Heck we had a poster with the name "nomorebuycks", because constantly posting about how awful he was, wasn't enough.

And Marquette65 ripped Vander so bad he was banned from this site.

Dwill has it easy, his play has not driven anyone to this extreme ... yet?

[Dreadman24]

Seriously - give it up dude.

D James - That's what a lockdown defender looks like, and he made for than 2 3pt shots in his career through 20 games into his junior season.

Mo and Cubes could actually shoot the 3, and Mo could penetrate and dish and created good looks for his teammates

Vander sucked as a freshman.  Was a little better as a sophomore.

Buycks was a hell of a lot better than Derrick and is in the NBA - think D-Will will sniff an NBA contract?

Junior - We won a share of the REAL Big East Championship with him running point last year.  This year?? 

But yes, I do agree....I cannot freaking stand it any longer seeing Derrick on the floor...

Notice a trend with Derrick getting 30+ minutes?  We are 10-9 with no wins over Top 50 teams in country.

+1000 well said

[willie warrior]

I've been here since 2008 ...

* ripped DJ for playing poorly

* Went nuts about Cube and Acker as they were too small and not D1 guards.

* Ripped Vander so bad some were banned from this board.

* collectively saw their heads explode when D Buycks ran the point

* bitter complained about Junior

* cannot stand it when Dwill is on the floor.

Anyone notice a trend here?  And while we were constantly whining about out lousy guard play ...

* Top 10 ranking in 2009 and 2013
* S16 in 2011 and 2012
* E8 in 2013

Under .500 in BEast play in 2014, with no quality wins and no chance to make the Dance.

[CTWarrior]

I still think DJ is the most inexplicably highly regarded player in MU history. He sure could jump though.

DJ was the player some people pretend Derrick is.  DJ WAS a lockdown defender, best perimeter defender I can remember at MU, and could get anywhere on the floor he wanted with the basketball.  Solid passer, not brilliant, and a poor shooter.  Overall, however a very, very good player.  We missed him badly his senior year when he went down.

I've never been one to complain about our guard play much until this year.  Was not a fan of Blue his first two years and hated to watch Cadougan get overwhelmed by Louisville, but other than that, I've always thought our guards were a strength, until this season.  This year, the backcourt is not getting it done, and it is frustrating because we have a solid frontcourt rotation.