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drbob

tough loss  really shows the value of a multi dimensional point guard   he killed us!!! 

PGsHeroes32

The real shame is the fact we have zero dimensional PG.
Lazar picking up where the BIG 3 left off....

forgetful

6 pts, 7 assists 5 rebounds.  Although he is not great, our PG did not cost us this game.  In fact he played very well.

WellsstreetWanderer


PGsHeroes32

Quote from: forgetful on January 25, 2014, 03:57:11 PM
6 pts, 7 assists 5 rebounds.  Although he is not great, our PG did not cost us this game.  In fact he played very well.

You definitely did not watch the game.
Lazar picking up where the BIG 3 left off....

Nevada233

Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on January 25, 2014, 03:58:38 PM
You definitely did not watch the game.

Yeah he didnt watch the game.... at all

forgetful

Quote from: elephantraker on January 25, 2014, 03:57:52 PM
Not the same game I saw

Then I recommend you go back and watch the game.  Pay attention to all aspects.  Also, as I quoted the box score if you saw a game where he didn't have 6 pts 7 assists and 5 rebounds, you would have been watching the wrong game.

chapman

Quote from: forgetful on January 25, 2014, 03:57:11 PM
6 pts, 7 assists 5 rebounds.  Although he is not great, our PG did not cost us this game.  In fact he played very well.

He was pathetic.

The Bucks game has been delayed because Derrick is still dribbling around the perimeter, stalling the offense.

PGsHeroes32

Quote from: forgetful on January 25, 2014, 04:02:36 PM
Then I recommend you go back and watch the game.  Pay attention to all aspects.  Also, as I quoted the box score if you saw a game where he didn't have 6 pts 7 assists and 5 rebounds, you would have been watching the wrong game.

That's the issue. All you are seeing is the box score.

If you honestly watched this game and can say that he was even average you are either drunk or just flat out stupid.
Lazar picking up where the BIG 3 left off....

NickelDimer

Stats tell the story? Really??  I was never a Warren Sapp quote, but one of the best sports quotes ever came from him; "stats are for losers"
No Finish Line

RyanConroy

I've never seen a D1 PG pick up his dribble 22 feet from the basket so often.

Archies Bat

Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on January 25, 2014, 04:04:02 PM
That's the issue. All you are seeing is the box score.

If you honestly watched this game and can say that he was even average you are either drunk or just flat out stupid.

I enjoy a nice, classy post.

Nevada233

Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on January 25, 2014, 04:04:02 PM
That's the issue. All you are seeing is the box score.

If you honestly watched this game and can say that he was even average you are either drunk or just flat out stupid.

Or both... Buzz should start/play the players who can win...

Derrick and Jake together wont win 4 more games this year.....

AirPunches

Quote from: chapman on January 25, 2014, 04:03:03 PM
He was pathetic.

The Bucks game has been delayed because Derrick is still dribbling around the perimeter, stalling the offense.

The team would be better if Dawson got the majority of the minutes. I wouldnt have thought that a few weeks ago but the offense runs much better with him on the floor IMO. Also, think Thomas was way overmatched today on both ends of the floor. Not sure why buzz wouldn't make any changes.

77ncaachamps

I thought you were going to lead in with MU having "Ennis envy."
SS Marquette

forgetful

Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on January 25, 2014, 04:04:02 PM
That's the issue. All you are seeing is the box score.

If you honestly watched this game and can say that he was even average you are either drunk or just flat out stupid.

No the issue is, I watch all aspects of the game, offense, defense, hustle...if they maintain the proper floor spacing, if they deliver the ball to the right place and the right time, whether they play under control.  

Today D. Wilson was not a problem.  He played fine.  He was significantly better than Dawson today (who played ok, but struggled on D).  

You watch the game to complain about Jake and D. Wilson...that is apparently what you enjoy to do regardless of reality.

brandx

Quote from: forgetful on January 25, 2014, 03:57:11 PM
6 pts, 7 assists 5 rebounds.  Although he is not great, our PG did not cost us this game.  In fact he played very well.

What does that matter? in overtime, our defensive specialist is so bad on defense that he can't be trusted to guard the other teams PG. THAT is the only stat that matters.

brandx

Quote from: forgetful on January 25, 2014, 04:09:03 PM
No the issue is, I watch all aspects of the game, offense, defense, hustle...if they maintain the proper floor spacing, if they deliver the ball to the right place and the right time, whether they play under control.  

Today D. Wilson was not a problem.  He played fine.  He was significantly better than Dawson today (who played ok, but struggled on D).  

You watch the game to complain about Jake and D. Wilson...that is apparently what you enjoy to do regardless of reality.

I'd rather have an offensive player who can't play 'D' on the floor than a defensive specialist who can't play 'D' on the floor

WellsstreetWanderer

Quote from: forgetful on January 25, 2014, 04:02:36 PM
Then I recommend you go back and watch the game.  Pay attention to all aspects.  Also, as I quoted the box score if you saw a game where he didn't have 6 pts 7 assists and 5 rebounds, you would have been watching the wrong game.
How many missed free throws, balls lost in the lane, precious late game seconds dribbling around the perimeter and lack of intensity bringing the ball up. If you saw the game you witnessed what a point guard really does to help his team win..

CTWarrior

Quote from: forgetful on January 25, 2014, 04:09:03 PM

Today D. Wilson was not a problem.  He played fine.  He was significantly better than Dawson today (who played ok, but struggled on D).  

He played fine for him.  He is rarely if ever a positive factor, however.  But I agree that there are lots of reasons for this loss, and Derrick was probably not the biggest reason.  If you really watch the games, the floor spacing and ball movement is much better when he is sitting.  He spends an inordinate amount of time dribbling the ball with no purpose.
Calvin:  I'm a genius.  But I'm a misunderstood genius. 
Hobbes:  What's misunderstood about you?
Calvin:  Nobody thinks I'm a genius.

CTWarrior

Quote from: brandx on January 25, 2014, 04:09:30 PM
What does that matter? in overtime, our defensive specialist is so bad on defense that he can't be trusted to guard the other teams PG. THAT is the only stat that matters.

This is very telling, I think.  If Buzz really thinks that Derrick is the best defensive guard he's coached or whatever he said about him, then he would have been guarding Archie D in OT.  And if you don't think that Derrick Wilson is your best defensive guard, then there is little reason to play him so much, because I think we all agree he is our weakest offensive guard.
Calvin:  I'm a genius.  But I'm a misunderstood genius. 
Hobbes:  What's misunderstood about you?
Calvin:  Nobody thinks I'm a genius.

chapman

Quote from: MARQ_13 on January 25, 2014, 04:06:01 PM
The team would be better if Dawson got the majority of the minutes. I wouldnt have thought that a few weeks ago but the offense runs much better with him on the floor IMO.

Yep, biggest difference is that Dawson gets the ball out of his hands quickly.  Get rid of the ball, make the defense react, make a play when you get it back after a couple passes.  Don't stall everything out by dribbling around looking for a play, which just allows the defense to settle into matchups.

brandx

Quote from: forgetful on January 25, 2014, 04:09:03 PM
No the issue is, I watch all aspects of the game, offense, defense, hustle...if they maintain the proper floor spacing, if they deliver the ball to the right place and the right time, whether they play under control.  

Today D. Wilson was not a problem.  He played fine.  He was significantly better than Dawson today (who played ok, but struggled on D).  

You watch the game to complain about Jake and D. Wilson...that is apparently what you enjoy to do regardless of reality.

You just watched a PG control the overtime (Actually you saw one against G'Town as well) and you say our PG WASN'T a problem today?

Wilson   36 minutes
Dawson   8 minutes

That is ridiculous!!!!

forgetful

Quote from: CTWarrior on January 25, 2014, 04:13:25 PM
He played fine for him.  He is rarely if ever a positive factor, however.  But I agree that there are lots of reasons for this loss, and Derrick was probably not the biggest reason.  If you really watch the games, the floor spacing and ball movement is much better when he is sitting.  He spends an inordinate amount of time dribbling the ball with no purpose.

Today the floor spacing and ball movement were not significantly different either way.  Also, also the defense was bad the whole game, it was much better with Wilson in the game.  In fact we made several runs because of the defensive pressure/traps that they were able to run with him on the floor.

During those runs, if players made wide wide open layups we would have been able to take the lead and would have won the game in regulation.  

You are right though, I was not happy with his dribbling late in the game, but fact of the matter was it didn't affect the outcome/play.  He eventually got the ball to Mayo as designed (was initially covered) and Mayo scored letting us get to overtime.  



NersEllenson

Just back from the game sitting courtside....I'm even more disgusted in person watching Derrick "run" the point. 

Buzz having the quick hook on Dawson today was also disgusting.  John missed a couple good runners in the lane, but he puts so much more pressure on a defense than Derrick.

Gardner goes for 28.  Mayo's line next to Jakes??  C'mon man.  Mayo didn't even get the start in OT - just freaking stupid.  Cannot believe Buzz this year.
"I'm not sure Cadougan would fix the problems on this team. I'm not even convinced he would be better for this team than DeWil is."

BrewCity77, December 8, 2013

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