Jamail Jones denied an assist

[T-Bone]

http://deadspin.com/tip-in-or-not-the-nixed-fgcu-miracle-bucket-was-shot-i-1486109585

Should have counted. 

[LloydMooresLegs]

It would seem so.  Helluva pass and "controlled tip.".

[Coleman]

Don't understand how that didn't count. It was clearly in time. The refs went to the monitors. What am I missing?

[Silkk the Shaka]

Don't understand how that didn't count. It was clearly in time. The refs went to the monitors. What am I missing?

Hard and fast rule that 0.3 seconds or less cannot be anything but a tip. They ruled that he caught the ball, so no shot can be taken at that point.

[T-Bone]

Rules are rules, but I'm still surprised Burr didn't make that call flailing his arms in the air and running around like a crazy old chicken. 
https://twitter.com/JimBurr

[brewcity77]

I'm surprised we haven't seen anyone do an analysis of how long that actually took for him to get off. Catching mid-air and a near-immediate release I can't imagine it took that long.

[Coleman]

I'm surprised we haven't seen anyone do an analysis of how long that actually took for him to get off. Catching mid-air and a near-immediate release I can't imagine it took that long.

They did that. In the story that was linked to. They said it was .2 seconds, based on how many frames he held the ball.

"He holds the ball for six frames at 30fps, which is 0.2 seconds."

Should have counted.

[MerrittsMustache]

They did that. In the story that was linked to. They said it was .2 seconds, based on how many frames he held the ball.

Should have counted.

It was an amazing play, no doubt. However, it shouldn't have counted. By rule with 0.3 seconds or under, a player "can only score a field goal by means of a tap of the pass or of a missed free throw" (also in the linked article). He clearly didn't "tap" that pass. It stinks for FGCU but that's the rule. The refs don't have the ability to go frame-by-frame through a play and calculate the amount of time that he actually had the ball so the 0.3-second rule is in place.

[jsglow]

It was an amazing play, no doubt. However, it shouldn't have counted. By rule with 0.3 seconds or under, a player "can only score a field goal by means of a tap of the pass or of a missed free throw" (also in the linked article). He clearly didn't "tap" that pass. It stinks for FGCU but that's the rule. The refs don't have the ability to go frame-by-frame through a play and calculate the amount of time that he actually had the ball so the 0.3-second rule is in place.

Crappy rule as we now know it can be done in 0.2 in a perfect world.  Hope the NCAA looks at this during the off season.  I agree that the refs responded appropriately and were hamstrung by written regulation.  One helluva pass.

[brandx]

I think they have done studies on this to show a ball cannot be caught and shot in under .3 seconds.

If you run the replay, it looks like the ball is out of his hands with .03 still on the clock. So, while the clock makes it look like the shot was released in time - it was actually the clock that didn't start on time. A human cannot physically catch a basketball and shoot it in less than 1/10 of a second. Period - hence the .03 second rule.

[brewcity77]

I think they have done studies on this to show a ball cannot be caught and shot in under .3 seconds.

If you run the replay, it looks like the ball is out of his hands with .03 still on the clock. So, while the clock makes it look like the shot was released in time - it was actually the clock that didn't start on time. A human cannot physically catch a basketball and shoot it in less than 1/10 of a second. Period - hence the .03 second rule.

Which is why I asked about an analysis. I get that the NCAA rules you can't do it in less than 0.3, but if he only had the ball in contact with his hands for 6 frames, clearly he was able to do it. Either they should change the rule for the future based on the evidence from this game, or maybe we need to acknowledge that Chase Fieler simply isn't human

[keefe]

Rules are rules, but I'm still surprised Burr didn't make that call flailing his arms in the air and running around like a crazy old chicken. 
https://twitter.com/JimBurr

Lest we forget...


http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/big-east-suspended-officials-tim-higgins-jim-burr-earl-walton-duties-sources-article-1.121381

[brandx]

Which is why I asked about an analysis. I get that the NCAA rules you can't do it in less than 0.3, but if he only had the ball in contact with his hands for 6 frames, clearly he was able to do it. Either they should change the rule for the future based on the evidence from this game, or maybe we need to acknowledge that Chase Fieler simply isn't human

Yeah, this one kinda falls into a gray area as it wasn't a straight catch and then shoot - he looks like he caught  and released it almost as in one motion rather than 2 separate steps.

[Coleman]

I think they have done studies on this to show a ball cannot be caught and shot in under .3 seconds.

If you run the replay, it looks like the ball is out of his hands with .03 still on the clock. So, while the clock makes it look like the shot was released in time - it was actually the clock that didn't start on time. A human cannot physically catch a basketball and shoot it in less than 1/10 of a second. Period - hence the .03 second rule.

Read what I wrote 3 posts above yours

[GGGG]

Read what I wrote 3 posts above yours

But you are wrong.  It clearly shouldn't have counted per the rules.  Here is the exact wording of the rule:

In any period, when the game clock displays 10ths of seconds and play
is to be resumed by a throw-in or a free throw when 3/10 (.3) of a second or less
remains on the game clock, a player may not gain possession of the ball and try
for a field goal. Such player can only score a field goal by means of a tap of the
pass or of a missed free throw

That was not "a tap of the pass."  The problem you have should be with the NCAA...not the refs.

[brandx]

Rule needs to be in place. Anyone handling the clock is physically unable to be exact when dealing with tenths of seconds.

On the replay, the ball is cleanly out of his hands with .03 left. So - he was able to catch and shoot in less than 1/10 of a second? Obviously physically impossible.

that is why the rule is in place.

[Coleman]

I agree it shouldn't have counted per the rule in place.

But the rule is idiotic. It was clearly demonstrated by an analysis of the video that the ball was held for .02 seconds. So the rule needs to be changed.

[Coleman]

Rule needs to be in place. Anyone handling the clock is physically unable to be exact when dealing with tenths of seconds.

On the replay, the ball is cleanly out of his hands with .03 left. So - he was able to catch and shoot in less than 1/10 of a second? Obviously physically impossible.

that is why the rule is in place.

The clock becomes irrelevant. All you need to do is look at the video to see if he was in contact with the ball for less than .03 seconds. He was. The rule should be removed.

[brandx]

The clock becomes irrelevant. All you need to do is look at the video to see if he was in contact with the ball for less than .03 seconds. He was. The rule should be removed.

Except you don't know that because the clock didn't start until after he caught and shot the ball.

I tend to believe that this was tested enough in studies that is impossible to catch AND shoot in .3 seconds or less.