Stop defending the "STARTING" unit.

[brewcity77]

O and if you want to talk about insulting.

That's all Brew does to people who don't agree with his over the top homerism.

Guy could at least provide some sort of support.

Don't be stupid. No one likes losing. You think any of us are happy with this result? I could give a crap less about ASU, tOSU, or SDSU. They are meaningless. Today I actually cared. So shut the hell up about people liking losing. No one likes it. We deal with it. We accept it and move on because it's a goddamn part of life. But don't you dare try to assert I'm happy with today. Because I'm not.

[warriorstrack]

I saw nothing from Jake that warranted starting

[Goose]

Play the young guys. If Thomas keeps getting these minutes we are in big trouble. Our starting guards had more turnovers than points I think.

[tower912]

MU lost to a top 10 team on the road.   Sucked.   I want Jamil and Davante to play hard every possession.  I want Todd to grow up.   Checking.....nope, whining didn't change anything.   Sweet 16, Sweet 16, Elite 8.   Buzz didn't suddenly turn stupid.   He has reasons for his starting line up.  

[Goose]

Tower

Buzz has turned stupid, stubborn maybe.

[PGsHeroes32]

Mayo was suspended.

JJJ was completely ineffective.

Burton's small offensive contribution was negated by his defensive mistakes, and Juan played much better than he did overall.

That being said, I would have no problem with JJJ starting over Jake.

I know Mayo was out today. It's been in the other games. JJJ and Burton don't get in rythmn when they are continually on the bench.

And for the talk of Burtons d. Otule gets owned countless times along with other guys in our first unit when these teams keep making runs...OSU second half, second half today and 1st half ASU.

We have nothing to lose at this point but to give bigger minutes to other guys and see if the ball happens to go in more. Davante barring foul trouble should be in 34 minutes a game.

Derrick is pretty awful on offense but it wouldn't look as bad if you didn't have guys like Jake and Juan out there with him who cant get any sort of look. I like Juan for his hustle and length but he just cant be out there with Derrick and Jake.

Jake is not only inconsistent shooting but it is magnified when he struggles to even get looks.

[muhoops1]

I love Deonte but be couldn't guard a 3rd grader today.  No one can step into a 3 in rythem until the game has been decided and our spot up shooter cNt get himself open.  NIT baby

[GGGG]

Tower

Buzz has turned stupid, stubborn maybe.

Wow...that is a pathetic statement.  

[PGsHeroes32]

I just don't see the point in starting a senior walk on.

All it's doing is stunting the growth and development for next years team.

[Goose]

CO, Thomas and Wilson can play D at this level. To make matters worse two of those three cannot score at this level. To make things worse they all play a lot.

[willie warrior]

Rational people don't insult others to make their point. 

But you do it frequently Sultan, so I guess you are not rational.

[SaveOD238]

I've actually been ok with the starters in the first half.  Where the "starters" have killed us is opening the second half.  OSU, ASU, SDSU and Bucky all got ahead early in the 2nd and never looked back.  Ox and somebody other than Juan or Jake should be out there after halftime.

Then again, why don't we let the "starters" play like they did in the last minute?  Juan and Jamil both started shooting and they were going in.  If we try to get something other than Jake (not his fault today, Gasser was all over him) going at the beginning from outside, we might be better off.

[GGGG]

I know Mayo was out today. It's been in the other games. JJJ and Burton don't get in rythmn when they are continually on the bench.

And for the talk of Burtons d. Otule gets owned countless times along with other guys in our first unit when these teams keep making runs...OSU second half, second half today and 1st half ASU.

We have nothing to lose at this point but to give bigger minutes to other guys and see if the ball happens to go in more. Davante barring foul trouble should be in 34 minutes a game.

Derrick is pretty awful on offense but it wouldn't look as bad if you didn't have guys like Jake and Juan out there with him who cant get any sort of look. I like Juan for his hustle and length but he just cant be out there with Derrick and Jake.

Jake is not only inconsistent shooting but it is magnified when he struggles to even get looks.

JJJ played plenty of minutes to get into a rhythm today.  He.  Did.  Nothing.

Burton was absolutely terrible on defense today.  Dekker scored on him almost at will.  He has a long way to go on that end of the court.

[forgetful]

I love Deonte but be couldn't guard a 3rd grader today.  No one can step into a 3 in rythem until the game has been decided and our spot up shooter cNt get himself open.  NIT baby

Do you understand the concept of a spot up shooter.  They go to their spot and wait for others to create open opportunities for them.  

Jake had a very very poor game today.  But these thoughts that he should create for himself are a bit absurd, spot up shooters on other teams don't create for themselves.  The offense is designed to create for them.  

[brandx]

They are bad.

It is just gross watching them, and watching people defend them.

They are the "other half of the court" unit. Yet they let leads balloon cuz they can't do either end.

It is getting ridiculous.

You have to remember they are playing 4-on-5 on offense. Michigan State or Duke would struggle if they had to do the same.

There is NO ONE running the offense - playing PG does not mean dribble the ball 25 feet from the basket for nothing. I missed about 10 minutes of the game today, but in the rest of the time I do not remember DW making even ONE offensive move in the frontcourt. MU will struggle against every team that plays a 'roamer' in the lane, but the problem is that with Derrick in there, every team can do it.

It's pretty hard for anyone to be consistent when there is NO ONE running the ship.

[PGsHeroes32]

I've actually been ok with the starters in the first half.  Where the "starters" have killed us is opening the second half.  OSU, ASU, SDSU and Bucky all got ahead early in the 2nd and never looked back.  Ox and somebody other than Juan or Jake should be out there after halftime.

Then again, why don't we let the "starters" play like they did in the last minute?  Juan and Jamil both started shooting and they were going in.  If we try to get something other than Jake (not his fault today, Gasser was all over him) going at the beginning from outside, we might be better off.

Actually ASU we made the second half run. It was the first half. But yeah the others were basically the starting the second half run.

[willie warrior]

Our Guard play really honked. Jake should ride the pines. He adds nothing. Give the minutes to JJJ and get Du. Wilson in there soon. The future is with him.

WE had two assists from our Guards today, and those were late in the second half. Also 1 for 6 shooting. Hoo Boy!

[tower912]

Tower

Buzz has turned stupid, stubborn maybe.

Teal, right?    

[PGsHeroes32]

Do you understand the concept of a spot up shooter.  They go to their spot and wait for others to create open opportunities for them.  

Jake had a very very poor game today.  But these thoughts that he should create for himself are a bit absurd, spot up shooters on other teams don't create for themselves.  The offense is designed to create for them.  

Spot up shooters on other teams rain though. Jake is about as inconsistent as it can get and CANT drive at all.

Cooney on cuse, Ford for OSU, Dawkins for Duke etc...

these guys are all consistent rainmakers and can drive if forced to

[brandx]

Spot up shooters on other teams rain though. Jake is about as inconsistent as it can get and CANT drive at all.

Cooney on cuse, Ford for OSU, Dawkins for Duke etc...

these guys are all consistent rainmakers and can drive if forced to

But they have point guards that will get them the ball when they break free. A good PG can anticipate where the shooter will be. Kinda hard to do when all you do is stand 25 feet from the hoop dribbling

[PE8983]

                       Min   FG    3pt    FT    OR  DR  REB  AST  STL  BLK  TO   PF  PTS
Jake Thomas,  G  26   0-1   0-1    0-0    0    2    2     1      0     0     1     5    0
Derrick Wilson, G  39   1-5   0-0    1-1    0    3    3     1      0     0     2     3    3

That's 65 min of basketball, 1-6 FG, 0-1 3pt, 5 reb, 2 ast, 0 steals, 0 blocks, 3 TO, 8 PF, 3 pts

If the frontcourt was this unproductive, we would not get to 10 points.
It's not like this is the first game with this production.  I just don't get it.  No way the freshmen aren't an improvement.
Season is heading south in a hurry.  Need to try something different.

[Goose]

Of course the freshmen are better option. Buzz is stubborn and we will see how it plays out. Regardless of who is playing we are not very good at this point.

On another note, Buzz looked sharp again today!!

[GGGG]

Right Goose....Buzz is stubborn.  Because the possibility that Buzz knows what he is doing cannot be the case.

I mean, it's not like you have been wrong about Buzz before right?

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=8386.0

[Goose]

Sultan

I have no problem with Buzz being stubborn. I have no problem with Buzz period. Have been wrong on Buzz plenty here and you will be hard pressed to find big supporter of him than me. I can live with wasted season if it happens. Buzz can suit you up and I am OK with it.

[jzpenguin]

I like how the team plays hard, but if Thomas and Anderson continue to get starter minutes, we don't have a lot of upside.  I'd like to see the kids play more and take their lumps now.  It will pay off in the long run.