JaJuan Johnson

[tower912]

Your right.... So can I ask you this. Where did this game go so horribly wrong... What happened to Gardner, why did he only get 6 shots? Why could we barely inbound the ball?

I just think Burton in particular could have had an effect on this game im a positive way...

Hope no one takes anything the wrong way. I see everyone is passionate about MUBB and just wants to see us win. So I thank you for your insight. Honestly

Two borderline calls that went against Gardner late in the first half turned the momentum of the game.   THAT IS NOT THE REASON MU LOST, BUT IT SURE DIDN'T HELP.   Spending the last 5 minutes of the first half with two fouls on Otule, the Wilsons, and DG slowed the little bit of momentum MU had when it took the lead in the first.    For the last 25 minutes, there was too much standing around, too much one-on-one basketball, not enough paint touches, not enough ball reversals.   Gardner and Otule quit posting aggressively and the guards allowed the defensive pressure to affect their delivery of the ball to the post.  tOSU ramped up the defensive pressure, got some steals instead of foul calls and MU got tentative.       MU watched too many good looks not go in early and it just snowballed as the game went on.      No excuses.   Nothing went right and MU didn't fight through it.    Time for the seniors to lead.      

[Nevada233]

We can't shoot.  It's not just Derrick, but Todd, Jamil and Jake were horrid from the outside.  Defenses are going to pack it in until shooting can loosen them up.  It was very similar to the E8 game against Syracuse.  Bigs aren't going to see the ball if you can't "unpack" the defense.

And things have gone "horribly wrong" in previous years.  Look at last year v. Florida.  Buzz is a great coach and deserves the benefit of the doubt here.  His teams have gotten better as the season has gone on each of his years here.  The season is a marathon...not a sprint.

maybe it was Jamil's Fall in the first half... im hoping it was because he was off really off today... Todd has a Kobe Bryant Ego and JR Smith shot selection.... but indeed its a marathon not a sprint... but can we really compete in march with the current starting back court??

[MU82]

In multiple threads you have suggested that Buzz doesn't play freshmen.  He does if they deserve to play.  (See Vander, Davante and Todd).  Apparently these freshmen don't yet deserve to play in his eyes.

And the idea that Buzz doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt is short sighted and laughable.

I agree, Sultan.

It doesn't mean fans can't scratch their heads and try to figure out his plan. We're fans. It's what we do. But every time I start thinking about this game again, I say, "Buzz obviously had his reasons."

If folks actually think this coach who has won so much and done so much for the program doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt after a lousy game -- or even a lousy season -- God help us all.

[tower912]

Yes.  But it will require the seniors to all play hard on every possession.   When Jamil doesn't show up.   And Gardner pouts and doesn't box out.  And CO quits being aggressive on both ends.......    This backcourt can't CARRY the team.  

[MarquetteFan94]

I really hate recruit rankings. Would you like me to go through previous years and list players who were "top 30" and hardly saw the floor as freshmen? I'd be happy to do that for you...

Yes.

[GGGG]

I agree, Sultan.

It doesn't mean fans can't scratch their heads and try to figure out his plan. We're fans. It's what we do. But every time I start thinking about this game again, I say, "Buzz obviously had his reasons."

If folks actually think this coach who has won so much and done so much for the program doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt after a lousy game -- or even a lousy season -- God help us all.

I completely agree.  I am not saying that he is infallible.  I am saying that he deserves the benefit of the doubt.

Seriously, for as embarrassing as this board has gotten in the past, it is setting new lows today.

[Atticus]

Yes.

I did (above).

[The Equalizer]

I really hate recruit rankings. Would you like me to go through previous years and list players who were "top 30" and hardly saw the floor as freshmen? I'd be happy to do that for you...

Johnson was ranked 30th in the RSCI, so I looked at the frosh minutes and scoring stats for #30 +/- 10 spots for the 2012 recruiting class.

Average for this group of 21 players: 21.5 mpg, 7.5 ppg.

20. Kris Dunn 27.2 mpg, 5.7 ppg
21. Amile Jefferson 12.7 mpg, 4.0 ppg
22. Devonta Pllard 17.9 mpg, 3.9 ppg
23. Glenn Robinson III 33.6 mpg 11.0 ppg
24. Tony Parker 6.3 mpg, 2.4 ppg
25. Yogi Farrell 28.1 mpg, 7.6 ppg
26. Mitch McGarry 19.7 ppg, 7.5 ppg
27. TJ Warren 27. mpg, 12.1 ppt
28. Marcus Paige 29.2 mpg, 8.2 ppg
29. Danuel House 28.6 mpg, 12.4 ppg
30. Robert Carter Ga Tech 26.4 mpg, 9.9 ppg
31. Perry Ellis 13.6 mpg, 5.8 ppg
32. Ricardo Gaiter 16.7 mpg, 5.7 ppg
33. Winston Shepard 20.3 mpg, 5.7 ppg
34. shaqualie Cleare 12.0 mpg, 3.7 ppg
36. Shaq Goodwin 20.7 mpg, 7.4 ppg
37. Davaunes Smith-Rivera 25.5 mpg, 8.9 ppt
38. Willie Cauley 23.6 mpg, 8.3 ppg
39. Omar Calhoun 32.1 mpg 11.1 ppg
40. Brice Johnson 10.6 mpg, 5.4 ppg

[Atticus]

Johnson was ranked 30th in the RSCI, so I looked at the frosh minutes and scoring stats for #30 +/- 10 spots for the 2012 recruiting class.

Average for this group of 21 players: 21.5 mpg, 7.5 ppg.

20. Kris Dunn 27.2 mpg, 5.7 ppg
21. Amile Jefferson 12.7 mpg, 4.0 ppg
22. Devonta Pllard 17.9 mpg, 3.9 ppg
23. Glenn Robinson III 33.6 mpg 11.0 ppg
24. Tony Parker 6.3 mpg, 2.4 ppg
25. Yogi Farrell 28.1 mpg, 7.6 ppg
26. Mitch McGarry 19.7 ppg, 7.5 ppg
27. TJ Warren 27. mpg, 12.1 ppt
28. Marcus Paige 29.2 mpg, 8.2 ppg
29. Danuel House 28.6 mpg, 12.4 ppg
30. Robert Carter Ga Tech 26.4 mpg, 9.9 ppg
31. Perry Ellis 13.6 mpg, 5.8 ppg
32. Ricardo Gaiter 16.7 mpg, 5.7 ppg
33. Winston Shepard 20.3 mpg, 5.7 ppg
34. shaqualie Cleare 12.0 mpg, 3.7 ppg
36. Shaq Goodwin 20.7 mpg, 7.4 ppg
37. Davaunes Smith-Rivera 25.5 mpg, 8.9 ppt
38. Willie Cauley 23.6 mpg, 8.3 ppg
39. Omar Calhoun 32.1 mpg 11.1 ppg
40. Brice Johnson 10.6 mpg, 5.4 ppg

Yup. Its a tough comparison to make. How any of those frosh played the equivalent of the #10 team in the nation in third game of the season? Thats unusual.

[GGGG]

Johnson was ranked 30th in the RSCI, so I looked at the frosh minutes and scoring stats for #30 +/- 10 spots for the 2012 recruiting class.

Average for this group of 21 players: 21.5 mpg, 7.5 ppg.

After three games.

Johnson 15.5 mpg, 6.0 ppg
Dawson 13.0 mpg, 1.5 ppg

Let's all settle down now.

[The Equalizer]

Yup. Its a tough comparison to make. How any of those frosh played the equivalent of the #10 team in the nation in third game of the season? Thats unusual.

Not really.

#40 Brice Johnson talled 16 minutes in his 7th game against #1 Indiana
#39 Omar Calhoun got 14 minutes in his very first college game against #14 Michigan State
#38 Willie Caule-Stein got 6 minutes in his 2nd game against #9Duke
#37 Smith-Rivera got 12 minutes in game 3 against #11 UCLA and 10 against #1 Indiana in game 4
#36 Katin Reinhardt of ULNV didn't face a ranked team in non-conference
#35 Shaq Goodwin played 27 minutes in his 9th game against #7 Louisville
#34 Shaquile Clarere got 7 minutes in his first game against #3 UK
#33 Winston Shepaard got 21 minutes in his first game against #9 Syracuse
#32 Ricardo Gathes got 15 minutes in his 7th game against #8 Kentucky
#31 Perry Ellis got 21 minutes in his 2nd game against #21 Michigan State
#30 Kris Dunn got 18 mintues in his 4th game (PC's 13th) aginast #4 Louisville

I'm just over halfway through the list, and I have yet to find a single player benched completely--and they all played against a ranked opponent early in the season--sometimes even before their 3rd game.  

I guess you could make the point that #38 Willie Cauley-Stein only got 6 minutes/4points against Duke in his 2nd game (compared to 23 minutes/8.3 points for the season)  But he was behind Poythress, Noel and Wiltjer on UK's frontline depth chart, a group that combined for 16-28 from the floor that game.  And he got a big bump in minues when Noel was injured.

How far behind is JJJ that he can't crack the lineup when Jake Thomas and Todd Mayo are combining for 3-22 shooting?

[ChicosBailBonds]

I checked out the top 30 on scout for 2012.

Ricardo Ledo (#17) didnt play a single minute. 
Dajuan Coleman (#19) had 17 DNP's last year for Syracuse.
Jeremy Hollowell (#28) averaged 9 minutes with several DNPs for Indiana.

How about the other 27 guys in the top 30, or the non top 30 freshmen that played a ton, like the ones I mentioned.   

[wadesworld]

Can we combine this and the "Hoping Texas Sucks" thread and all agree that we are hoping Texas sucks so Buzz can finally get outta here...I WANNA SEE SOME FRESHMAN ON THE COURT! Without freshman playing how can we ever advance out of the first weekend of the tourne?! And we sure as heck wouldn't be getting embarrassed on national TV in baby blue uniforms in an early season matchup with a top 25 team!

Oh wait...

[Nevada233]

Can we combine this and the "Hoping Texas Sucks" thread and all agree that we are hoping Texas sucks so Buzz can finally get outta here...I WANNA SEE SOME FRESHMAN ON THE COURT! Without freshman playing how can we ever advance out of the first weekend of the tourne?! And we sure as heck wouldn't be getting embarrassed on national TV in baby blue uniforms in an early season matchup with a top 25 team!

Oh wait...

Embarrased is an understatement.

[wadesworld]

Embarrased is an understatement.

As it was against Florida last year.  And Vandy the year before.  Shucks.  Onto the next one.

In the meantime, you and willie can either 1) start your own consulting firm so Buzz can hire you and you can inform him on who his starters should be or 2) start your own college and get a basketball team going and kick the crap outta Buzz.  You 2 are obviously more qualified and better basketball minds, so please help Buzz out here.

[Nevada233]

As it was against Florida last year.  And Vandy the year before.  Shucks.  Onto the next one.

In the meantime, you and willie can either 1) start your own consulting firm so Buzz can hire you and you can inform him on who his starters should be or 2) start your own college and get a basketball team going and kick the crap outta Buzz.  You 2 are obviously more qualified and better basketball minds, so please help Buzz out here.

Ohhh you so intimidating from your keyboard, Clown saying we got embarassed warrant your reponse. Go to sleep.

[wadesworld]

Ohhh you so intimidating from your keyboard, Clown saying we got embarassed warrant your reponse. Go to sleep.

?  Intimidating?  Go to sleep?  Will do, chief.

[Dawson Rental]

Buzz gets no benefit of the doubt after today's lackadaisical farce.

Of course, lackadaisical because lackadaisical defense is how you hold Ohio State to 52 points, especially when tOSU gets two breakaways on MU throw-ins.  The Offense tanked, but there was NEVER any lack of effort out on the floor.

[Daniel]

For 5+ years we love Buzz.  One game against a Top 10 team where our players on the floor could not buy a basket and some are all over Buzz.  Not right.  Not me.  Buzz is the best thing that has happened to MU basketball in a long, long, long time.

Go Buzz.  Go Marquette.

[willie warrior]

For 5+ years we love Buzz.  One game against a Top 10 team where our players on the floor could not buy a basket and some are all over Buzz.  Not right.  Not me.  Buzz is the best thing that has happened to MU basketball in a long, long, long time.

Go Buzz.  Go Marquette.

Some things you are forgetting here:
Buzz develops the game plan
Buzz determines who executes and plays
Buzz makes the adjustments
Buzz makes the substitutions
Buzz dictates the tempo--did we even have a fast break?

Buzz failed on all these

[GGGG]

Ohhh you so intimidating from your keyboard, Clown saying we got embarassed warrant your reponse. Go to sleep.

Point flew right over your head.

MU has had similar trip ups...just last year for instance with losses to Florida and UWGB.  MU wins the conference and goes to the E8.

Not saying that is going to happen again, but one thing Buzz has proven is that he can coach teams through games that might be "embarrassing" to fans like yourself and emerge better for it on the other end. 

The rest of us have proven nothing.

[MU82]

Some things you are forgetting here:
Buzz develops the game plan
Buzz determines who executes and plays
Buzz makes the adjustments
Buzz makes the substitutions
Buzz dictates the tempo--did we even have a fast break?

Buzz failed on all these

Fire Buzz! Worst coach in Marquette history. Wait ... maybe in basketball history.

Go ahead, willie, lead the charge.

I suggest you start by buying a huge billboard right outside the BC.

[Goose]

Any chance of winning yesterday revolved being able to get quick points off the D or rebounds. Unfortunately our two starting guards are unable to push the ball or make things happen in transition. If young guards do not get big minutes moving forward it might be very ugly to watch this season. We can still have productive season but will be difficult to watch.

[4everwarriors]

If Buzz can be faulted for anything, it's an incomplete roster. If you need shooters, then recruit shooters and play 'em. If you need a 1 guard, then get that. When a center is needed, yo, do it, etc.
Switchables only fill so many gaps.

[avid1010]

Some things you are forgetting here:
Buzz develops the game plan
Buzz determines who executes and plays
Buzz makes the adjustments
Buzz makes the substitutions
Buzz dictates the tempo--did we even have a fast break?

Buzz failed on all these

EXACTLY...so you're saying the longest home winning streak in the nation, a couple of sweet 16's and an elite 8, etc... were all because buzz:
Buzz develops the game plan
Buzz determines who executes and plays
Buzz makes the adjustments
Buzz makes the substitutions
Buzz dictates the tempo

i thought buzz got his a$$ handed to him yesterday, and i've spent a lot of time around the game of basketball.  i probably know just enough to know that i don't have a clue as to why he got it handed to him.  all i know is that at the elite d1 level all you can really do is judge a coach on wins and losses because there are too many variables. 

i thought the only reflection of buzz that was crystal clear in yesterday's game was that he can't get his players to run an effective in-bounds play from under the basket.