Duane out with stress fracture

[Aughnanure]

Junior Cadougan was back by February if I remember correctly. We decided to play him. Despite being our top recruit that year, he averaged 3 minutes a game and added nothing to the stat sheet. Now, instead of him starting this season when PG is our biggest question mark, he is off playing pro ball in Georgia I think. Imagine how good this team would be if Junior was at the helm instead of D Wil.

However, if he comes back before conference play, then I say give him a chance. But only if he is truly healed.

This. Bringing Junior back that year was pointless. Not saying it will be for Duane, but a 3-month hip injury right before the season starts does not sound promising.

[MerrittsMustache]

Junior Cadougan was back by February if I remember correctly. We decided to play him. Despite being our top recruit that year, he averaged 3 minutes a game and added nothing to the stat sheet. Now, instead of him starting this season when PG is our biggest question mark, he is off playing pro ball in Georgia I think. Imagine how good this team would be if Junior was at the helm instead of D Wil.

However, if he comes back before conference play, then I say give him a chance. But only if he is truly healed.

From what I understand, Junior didn't want to redshirt and didn't want to be in school a fifth year.

Besides, if he had taken a redshirt year and was the starting PG this season, there's the possibility that Duane would not have come to Marquette knowing that there were going to be limited minutes at the point for his first season.

[Aughnanure]

I've seen "leg" - not so bad.

I've seen "hip" - could be a big problemo.

If it's hip, I question bringing him back at all. That would be January 14, if it is 12 weeks. Multiple Big East games already played. That's a tough learning curve. He won't have any bad teams to work out kinks or get used to the pace.

It'll be a good time for Todd Smith to work on his upper body strength though.

[WarriorFan]

Imagine the pressure on the kid.  He wants to perform, he wants to please Buzz and the fans and his family and his team... not an easy decision to redshirt.
But if it's really 12 weeks, absolutely the right one.

[MUBurrow]

Imagine how good this team would be if Junior was at the helm instead of D Wil.

While the depth would be nice, not sure swapping D Wil for Junior really moves the meter much at all.

[GGGG]

But if it's really 12 weeks, absolutely the right one.

I just don't agree with that.  I think if a player is healthy, wants to play, and Buzz thinks there is value in having him play, then he should play.  I don't think in this day and age, that you trade in a half-season of contribution now for a full season of contribution four years from now.

[brewcity77]

From what I understand, Junior didn't want to redshirt and didn't want to be in school a fifth year.

Besides, if he had taken a redshirt year and was the starting PG this season, there's the possibility that Duane would not have come to Marquette knowing that there were going to be limited minutes at the point for his first season.

As I recall, we also had major depth issues that year, only really going 7 deep. DJO and Buycks often had to play big because we only had 3 frontcourt players (Hayward, Butler, and Fulce) while Acker and Cooby barely got to rest (both averaged over 29 mpg). I think the hope was that Junior could take some of the load off those guys and as a 6'1" guard lessen the damage when DJO and Buycks were slotting in as 3/4 type players. Of course, Junior proved mostly ineffectual and it didn't work, but when your bench only goes 2 deep (thanks to Maymon's departure) I get why the staff was also okay with playing him.

[Eldon]

I just don't agree with that.  I think if a player is healthy, wants to play, and Buzz thinks there is value in having him play, then he should play.  I don't think in this day and age, that you trade in a half-season of contribution now for a full season of contribution four years from now.

Was the trade-off worth it in the past?  If so, what's changed?

[GGGG]

Was the trade-off worth it in the past?  If so, what's changed?

Roster changes happen more often giving you more flexibility than previously.

[Silkk the Shaka]

If it's hip, I question bringing him back at all. That would be January 14, if it is 12 weeks. Multiple Big East games already played. That's a tough learning curve. He won't have any bad teams to work out kinks or get used to the pace.

It'll be a good time for Todd Smith to work on his upper body strength though.

Good point, too bad we play DePaul once already by that point. Would be nice to get him two games against a virtual buy opponent.

[Pakuni]

Roster changes happen more often giving you more flexibility than previously.

And kids are more eager, reasonably so, to move on from college and start earning a paycheck for playing. At least those that have realistic prospects of earning a paycheck for playing.

[Dawson Rental]

From what I understand, Junior didn't want to redshirt and didn't want to be in school a fifth year.

Besides, if he had taken a redshirt year and was the starting PG this season, there's the possibility that Duane would not have come to Marquette knowing that there were going to be limited minutes at the point for his first season.

Which brings us to the subject of Nick Noskowiak, and how he might be affected by a Duane redshirt.

[We R Final Four]

I believe Nick is a junior in HS this year.  He wont be on campus until 2015. DW will be a junior then, or a redshirt sophmore.

[Dawson Rental]

I believe Nick is a junior in HS this year.  He wont be on campus until 2015. DW will be a junior then, or a redshirt sophmore.

So, if Duane redshirts, Nick might be thinking; "My two years of likely starting, just turned into ONE year of likely starting."  People have decommitted for less reason.  Whatever decision is made, I'm certain that the coaching staff will be in contact with Nick regarding how this situation might affect him.

[Sunbelt15]

Derrick really has a chance to prove himself as the right choice and shut all us haters up. Too bad it won't happen. We're doomed.

[Dawson Rental]

Derrick really has a chance to prove himself as the right choice and shut all us haters up. Too bad it won't happen. We're doomed.

We still get to follow the team, to watch the games, and to hope.  That's most of what any of us gets out of any season, anyway.

And MOST importantly we still get to post!  We'll even have a new thread topic to argue about.

[Jay Bee]

I believe Nick is a junior in HS this year.  He wont be on campus until 2015. DW will be a junior then, or a redshirt sophmore.

Multiple ballhandlers aren't always a bad thing (no hibbert). Duane has some versatility boi

[bilsu]

So, if Duane redshirts, Nick might be thinking; "My two years of likely starting, just turned into ONE year of likely starting."  People have decommitted for less reason.  Whatever decision is made, I'm certain that the coaching staff will be in contact with Nick regarding how this situation might affect him.

Or Duane might be thinking he should play now, because Nick will start over him. The one argument in not redshirting Duane is that he may be injury prone like Otule.

[4everwarriors]

Multiple ballhandlers aren't always a bad thing (no hibbert). Duane has some versatility boi

We'll have 2 or more.

[joe pop]

is there any concrete news that this is a 8-12 week injury, or just that one tweet?

[bilsu]

While the depth would be nice, not sure swapping D Wil for Junior really moves the meter much at all.

This is purely a case of underrating Cadougan and way overrating Duane Wilson. Look at it this way, if Cadougan was here this year he would be starting over Derrick. Duane, if he had stayed healthy, would not start over Derrick. Duane has the potential to be really good, but all of you are way overrating how good he was before the injury.

[joe pop]

I think your way underrating him. Derrick wilson has taken like 12 shots in his MU career.  Duane shot 55% from three in HS.  Duane is far and away a better player than derrick wilson, and he would get more minutes than derrick from day one (may not start with Buzz's crazy habits in that regard).

[bilsu]

I think your way underrating him. Derrick wilson has taken like 12 shots in his MU career.  Duane shot 55% from three in HS.  Duane is far and away a better player than derrick wilson, and he would get more minutes than derrick from day one (may not start with Buzz's crazy habits in that regard).

Derrick Wilson averaged 19 points in high school, so high school scoring does not necessarily mean anything. There is a lot more to playing point than hitting three point shots. It also is a lot easier to make three point shots in high school, because you are not playing against the calibur of players you are in college.

[Coleman]

My first contribution to the MUScoop rumor mill so take it or leave it, but I have heard from what I consider to be a reliable source that Duane still plans on playing the latter part of this season, barring some sort of setback in his recovery.

Not saying with 100% certainty he won't redshirt, just what I've heard

[GGGG]

FWIW, Mark Miller has tweeted about John Dawson looking good in practice.  Hopefully he will be able to use this to play his way into the rotation.