Charles Matthews trims list to 10

[Galway Eagle]

Not disparaging (certainly not to him as an individual player), but what tends to happen with Mickey D recruits is that fans think Moses has joined the team, the Red Sea is going to part and championships just unfold.  

We had three McDonald's All Americans over a 3 year period.  Downing, Trotter, Rivers.  One would think that we would have a ton of success with that core of players.  I'll let people decide on their own how they thought that turned out.

Personally, there are some of those McD guys each year that I'd take in a heartbeat and some that I want no part of.  Not worth the trouble.  End of the day, I want a team that plays well together.  That's why I love watching a Creighton or Wichita State, etc.  Not the most highly recruited players (some, but by and large no), but they understand their roles and play beautiful basketball.

Even though I really disagree with your overall attitude in this situation with Matthews I have to agree with you about the Moses thing.  I'm sure SJU thought that rysheed Jordan would be Moses (and on the hollandofhoops board they certainly did) but he hasn't been despite being very good.  On the other hand look at what he's helped elevate a perennial NIT program to.

[Galway Eagle]

And we went to the NIT with them.

Maybe im wrong but weren't there a few of those years where we probably ended up in the NIT because we were an independent? Not saying it's an excuse when you have 3 AAs on your team but a couple of those years I thought we'd get in now days

[ChicosBailBonds]

Are you sh*ttin' me?  Trotter, Downing and Rivers worked out just fine.

This is where I find it interesting.....you see, I've read here a bunch that if you have that many McDonald's All Americans you should have deep runs, go to the Final Four, etc, etc.  Again, that's why I said people will have to judge if it worked out.

During that time period with those three playing for MU (together or on their own without the others), we won 1 NCAA tournament game.  Now, for me, the NCAA tournament is and always will be a crap shoot.   For others here, it seems their definition is different with some ultimately saying NCAA tournament success is the only judge of a team.  To each their own, thus I'll leave it to them to decide.  However, for those that do believe in that definition, I have to believe if they are consistent they would be disappointed in how our three McD' players produced 1 NCAA tournament win. 

[LloydMooresLegs]

Not disparaging (certainly not to him as an individual player), but what tends to happen with Mickey D recruits is that fans think Moses has joined the team, the Red Sea is going to part and championships just unfold.  

We had three McDonald's All Americans over a 3 year period.  Downing, Trotter, Rivers.  One would think that we would have a ton of success with that core of players.  I'll let people decide on their own how they thought that turned out.

Personally, there are some of those McD guys each year that I'd take in a heartbeat and some that I want no part of.  Not worth the trouble.  End of the day, I want a team that plays well together.  That's why I love watching a Creighton or Wichita State, etc.  Not the most highly recruited players (some, but by and large no), but they understand their roles and play beautiful basketball.

Well, I love our team without the AA's, but sure would like a couple of AA's that fit into the desired team temperament.

Also, I think you three AA's in three years is misleading, in that they didn't all play together; when doc and KT played together, KT was a frosh; and when downing transferred to play one year with KT, he already was a known commodity who had not lived up to expectations. And the coaching...

[muguru]

You know, could be that all these twitter sources are saying Kentucky, not because they have any real info, but because they see finalists of Kentucky and MU and think no way that high profile of a kid picks MU over KY. I'm just sayin', they could just be speculating.

[GGGG]

This is where I find it interesting.....you see, I've read here a bunch that if you have that many McDonald's All Americans you should have deep runs, go to the Final Four, etc, etc.  Again, that's why I said people will have to judge if it worked out.

During that time period with those three playing for MU (together or on their own without the others), we won 1 NCAA tournament game.  Now, for me, the NCAA tournament is and always will be a crap shoot.   For others here, it seems their definition is different with some ultimately saying NCAA tournament success is the only judge of a team.  To each their own, thus I'll leave it to them to decide.  However, for those that do believe in that definition, I have to believe if they are consistent they would be disappointed in how our three McD' players produced 1 NCAA tournament win.  

You are failing a basic tenant of logic.  That because we had McD's AAs on those teams, and those teams underperformed, that a team with less McD's AAs would have been better.  

[Tugg Speedman]

Maybe im wrong but weren't there a few of those years where we probably ended up in the NIT because we were an independent? Not saying it's an excuse when you have 3 AAs on your team but a couple of those years I thought we'd get in now days

back then it was a 48 team field.  Their was no disadvantage to being an independent.  Also, in 1983 we lost our first NIT game, we played perennial NIT team Syracuse in Syracuse and lost.

Different era back then.

[Dawson Rental]

Maybe im wrong but weren't there a few of those years where we probably ended up in the NIT because we were an independent? Not saying it's an excuse when you have 3 AAs on your team but a couple of those years I thought we'd get in now days

The NCAA tournament field was also smaller then.

Heisenberg beat me by that much.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Even though I really disagree with your overall attitude in this situation with Matthews I have to agree with you about the Moses thing.  I'm sure SJU thought that rysheed Jordan would be Moses (and on the hollandofhoops board they certainly did) but he hasn't been despite being very good.  On the other hand look at what he's helped elevate a perennial NIT program to.

I was speaking to some of my UCLA buds yesterday about Kevon Looney...they have no clue who he is.  There's no hype here about him at all and I find that to be a WONDERFUL thing for Looney.  He's a really good player, but the expectations from the Bruin nutjobs (term of endearment, I'm a big Bruins fan since I was 5 years old) will be low because they don't know who he is.  Whereas last year with Shabazz and some of the others, the expectations were so ridiculous that it is painful.  Even Wiggins with KU this year.  They're 18 year old kids and fans expectations for these guys is disjointed in my opinion.  Sometimes, I'd rather we get really good players and not the top of the heap guy, because the top of the heap guy is only going to be around 1 year anyway and his dedication to "team" I sometimes question.  If you look at a number of the blue chip programs over the last decade, some have certainly done well with these kids, but almost all of them have also had situations where team chemistry, success on the court, etc just don't match the talent for a number of reasons.

[MUSF]

He's a really good player, but the expectations from the Bruin nutjobs (term of endearment, I'm a big Bruins fan since I was 5 years old)

Can we get a spread sheet to keep track of how many teams Chicos is a fan of?

[Aughnanure]

I was speaking to some of my UCLA buds yesterday about Kevon Looney...they have no clue who he is.  There's no hype here about him at all and I find that to be a WONDERFUL thing for Looney.  He's a really good player, but the expectations from the Bruin nutjobs (term of endearment, I'm a big Bruins fan since I was 5 years old) will be low because they don't know who he is.  Whereas last year with Shabazz and some of the others, the expectations were so ridiculous that it is painful.  Even Wiggins with KU this year.  They're 18 year old kids and fans expectations for these guys is disjointed in my opinion.  Sometimes, I'd rather we get really good players and not the top of the heap guy, because the top of the heap guy is only going to be around 1 year anyway and his dedication to "team" I sometimes question.  If you look at a number of the blue chip programs over the last decade, some have certainly done well with these kids, but almost all of them have also had situations where team chemistry, success on the court, etc just don't match the talent for a number of reasons.

So let me get this straight. Your college basketball teams outside of Marquette are Indiana, Kansas, and UCLA? Must be nice (and easy).

[Galway Eagle]

back then it was a 48 team field.  Their was no disadvantage to being an independent.  Also, in 1983 we lost our first NIT game, we played perennial NIT team Syracuse in Syracuse and lost.

Different era back then.

I think it was the 20-11 team I was referring to I can't remember what year it was.  

[ChicosBailBonds]

Well, I love our team without the AA's, but sure would like a couple of AA's that fit into the desired team temperament.

Also, I think you three AA's in three years is misleading, in that they didn't all play together; when doc and KT played together, KT was a frosh; and when downing transferred to play one year with KT, he already was a known commodity who had not lived up to expectations. And the coaching...

Amen brother.....if we can get some that fit into the team....AMEN.   Therein lies my issue with some of these guys around the NCAA, they don't always buy into that team concept.

Totally understand that they didn't all play together, my point is still that when a McD comes on campus, expectations are through the roof and the results don't always follow.  That, and sometimes the whole concept of a McD player is flawed....too political in my opinion in the selection.

At any rate, to each their own.  We all want the talent, ultimately I will take slightly less talent for a better team which I think we all would.  Honors are great....how does it translate to the team and success is where I'm at with this.

[Dawson Rental]

I think it was the 20-11 team I was referring to I can't remember what year it was.  

MU went 20-11 for "a few of those years"?

Maybe im wrong but weren't there a few of those years where we probably ended up in the NIT because we were an independent? Not saying it's an excuse when you have 3 AAs on your team but a couple of those years I thought we'd get in now days

[Galway Eagle]

MU went 20-11 for "a few of those years"?

Haha give me a break I literally just woke up, I thought there was another year but after a nice glass of OJ I could only remember one. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

So let me get this straight. Your college basketball teams outside of Marquette are Indiana, Kansas, and UCLA? Must be nice (and easy).

Yeah, but our football has been pretty mediocre....tradeoffs with everything.   

Been going to UCLA games since we moved back to the United States during Johnny Wooden days  I'm an alum of Marquette, Kansas and Indiana.

It is what it is.  Nothing stopping other people from getting an education and cheering for their school(s).

[Dawson Rental]

Haha give me a break I literally just woke up, I thought there was another year but after a nice glass of OJ I could only remember one. 

In the immortal words of Bluto....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqpNQ9AJYgU

[Silkk the Shaka]

Amen brother.....if we can get some that fit into the team....AMEN.   Therein lies my issue with some of these guys around the NCAA, they don't always buy into that team concept.

Totally understand that they didn't all play together, my point is still that when a McD comes on campus, expectations are through the roof and the results don't always follow.  That, and sometimes the whole concept of a McD player is flawed....too political in my opinion in the selection.

At any rate, to each their own.  We all want the talent, ultimately I will take slightly less talent for a better team which I think we all would.  Honors are great....how does it translate to the team and success is where I'm at with this.

Don't you think a McD's AA that signs up to play for Buzz & Marquette over the glamour programs would have the mindset you're looking for?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Are you serious about Buzz being at St Rita?

Yes indeed sir. Buzz was at St. Rita's last night

[teddycoke]

Matthews Set to Announce Tomorrow
Posted by Jackson Clark on February 24, 2014 in Marquette, Recruiting Updates No comments

Chicago St. Rita star Charles Matthews is ready to announce where he will be furthering his education and playing his collegiate basketball tomorrow according to his mother.

Matthews excels in slashing to the hoop and he finishes through contact well. He gets to the free throw line regularly and loves to attack along the baseline. He has a great first step and does an excellent job coming off curl screens and moving without the ball. His catch and attack moves into the lane really exposes the defense. Matthews is an effective on ball defender and has a good defensive feel in help situations.

Among his top five is Marquette. Buzz Williams and Company are looking to add the consensus 5-star shooting guard.

[Tugg Speedman]

anyone know when he makes his decision?

[Galway Eagle]

anyone know when he makes his decision?

Wednesday at 8:30 am

Here you go

[muguru]

NM

[KenoshaWarrior]

Shooot!!!!

[Silkk the Shaka]

Always the bridesmaid, and never the bride. But hey...Buzz was "right in there". Hip hip hooray!! That's reason enough to celebrate alone, right?? 

From Brian Snow...Charles Matthews Update
Five-star Charles Matthews is set to decide. I am told Marquette was really in there, but right now this one is sounding like UK. I believe the Wildcats are the clear team to beat given the information that has come my way in the last 12-18 hours.

Man, last time muguru was this consistently histrionically negative, MU ripped off a S16, S16 & E8. Exciting times ahead!