5 Year Evaluation of Buzz

[NersEllenson]

Curious to get everyone's grade on Buzz now that we are 5 years into his tenure.  As has been suggested it takes 5 years to fully evaluate a coach, and now that Buzz has all his guys on the roster, mixed with the results of the past 5 years - what grade do you assign?

I'll go with an A+

I'll also give Cottingham and Wild an A+ for having the balls and foresight to realize that Buzz was ultimately the best recruit of the Tom Crean era, and that they had gold sitting right on their bench once TC moved on - and didn't cave to outside influences suggesting the process was flawed, and that we "settled."

[LloydMooresLegs]

+1

[We R Final Four]

Buzz an A.
Corringham/Wild a D.
The AD and Pres never considered the possibility that their coach may leave? Never thought that could happen? They were so ill prepared that they asked the Big East for guidance in their search for a new coach. Buzz deserves all the credit here, these two got lucky or got some good advice that is all.

[GGGG]

A

The NCAA violation by Monarch prevents it from being perfect.

Buzz an A.
Corringham/Wild a D.
The AD and Pres never considered the possibility that their coach may leave? Never thought that could happen? They were so ill prepared that they asked the Big East for guidance in their search for a new coach. Buzz deserves all the credit here, these two got lucky or got some good advice that is all.

Smart people ask a lot of people for advice when they conduct searches. 

[swoopem]

Easy A+ for me. I was a student when he got hired so I went to his opening press conference and walked away scratching my head. He didn't really answer any of the questions and at the time all I had heard about him was that he was a great recruiter. Turns out that was true and then some, plus he's become a hell of an in-game coach. Buzz is the man

[Silkk the Shaka]

A.  There is room for marginal improvement to get to A+, and I have no doubt he will make those in his next 5 years.  Beyond thrilled with the hire.

[Galway Eagle]

Well Crean had gotten us to a Final Four by now so obviously Buzz needs to go! Jk ill give him an A for coaching but C for control over his players/staff between the two rape incidents, Juan Anderson getting suspended, Scott Monarch getting axed, I feel he had some problems in that category but I'd say its getting better. 

[wadesworld]

Well Crean had gotten us to a Final Four by now so obviously Buzz needs to go! Jk ill give him an A for coaching but C for control over his players/staff between the two rape incidents, Juan Anderson getting suspended, Scott Monarch getting axed, I feel he had some problems in that category but I'd say its getting better. 

Rape incidents? You're kidding, right? And Juan getting suspended? So you're blaming Juan accepting tickets from a friend on Buzz? I'll put that 1 on the NCAA. There is no common sense in that institution. And Monarch getting fired is on Buzz? I get players getting in trouble shows some lack of control, but Monarch is an adult who is responsible for his own actions.

[jesmu84]

Well Crean had gotten us to a Final Four by now so obviously Buzz needs to go! Jk ill give him an A for coaching but C for control over his players/staff between the two rape incidents, Juan Anderson getting suspended, Scott Monarch getting axed, I feel he had some problems in that category but I'd say its getting better. 

Rape? You're either mistaken or using incorrect wording.

[We R Final Four]

A

The NCAA violation by Monarch prevents it from being perfect.


Smart people ask a lot of people for advice when they conduct searches. 

Never should have come to that. Ill prepared.

[GGGG]

Never should have come to that. Ill prepared.

Come to what?  Asking for advice?

Have you ever hired anyone for anything worthwhile?

[ChicosBailBonds]

I'd go with A for coaching...good motivator, tactician, players in the association, recruiting, etc

Of course, being captain of the ship, CEO of the basketball program requires a bit more


C,  for transgressions off the court (two sexual assault cases) and the lovely exposure that delivered and ultimately the firing of an AD,the hiroshima nonsense (some of which was coming out of a certain camp), Scott Monarch \ suspension, DJ Newbill, etc

B, for Academics....kids graduating, though APR scores down slightly three straight years and third lowest in the Big East (nothing major, but like to see that trend stay flat at worse)

AB, for spokesman for program and university....the public likes Buzz, he connects with people.  Attendance, unfortunately, down again for 5th straight year (zenith was 2008 season).  Some of that due to economy last few years, etc.


Could we have gotten a better hire?  Maybe..will never know.  Could we have gotten him later?  Certainly.  Could we have gotten a worse hire...absolutely. 

He's got a great job, I think he finally realizes it and that SMU \Larry Williams spell was not needed quite frankly.  Takes two to tango, so I'm hardly putting this all on him, but some of it definitely is whether.  Hope is around for a long period of time.  I believe Texas comes open and that will be very interesting to watch....also how well FS1 does for the Big East, etc.

I'm Happy, Happy, Happy   


Commence bombardment for daring to bring up other aspects of the job performance in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1......

[Jay Bee]

C,  for transgressions off the court (two...cases)

What is your definition of a "case"? Sounds about as accurate as Crean's buyout only being $8MM last November (was really $16MM).

[wadesworld]

I'd go with A for coaching...good motivator, tactician, players in the association, recruiting, etc

Of course, being captain of the ship, CEO of the basketball program requires a bit more


C,  for transgressions off the court (two sexual assault cases) and the lovely exposure that delivered and ultimately the firing of an AD,the hiroshima nonsense (some of which was coming out of a certain camp), Scott Monarch \ suspension, DJ Newbill, etc

B, for Academics....kids graduating, though APR scores down slightly three straight years and third lowest in the Big East (nothing major, but like to see that trend stay flat at worse)

AB, for spokesman for program and university....the public likes Buzz, he connects with people.  Attendance, unfortunately, down again for 5th straight year (zenith was 2008 season).  Some of that due to economy last few years, etc.


Could we have gotten a better hire?  Maybe..will never know.  Could we have gotten him later?  Certainly.  Could we have gotten a worse hire...absolutely. 

He's got a great job, I think he finally realizes it and that SMU \Larry Williams spell was not needed quite frankly.  Takes two to tango, so I'm hardly putting this all on him, but some of it definitely is whether.  Hope is around for a long period of time.  I believe Texas comes open and that will be very interesting to watch....also how well FS1 does for the Big East, etc.

I'm Happy, Happy, Happy   


Commence bombardment for daring to bring up other aspects of the job performance in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1......

Just think you're wrong about the off the court grade. One bad incident that he learned from and has not had anything close to a repeat since. Excuseable? No. But the people who needed to be held accountable were. As far as Monarch goes, he's an adult who needs to be held accountable and be was. He even had a chance to make up for it but lied about what he did, which is why he was fired. Not much Buzz can do about that. And if Buzz is responsible for the actions of those below him (Monarch), then I find it hard to place blame on Buzz for those above him (firing of our AD...Buzz is the CEO of the hoops program, AD the CEO of the athletic department, including the basketball program and coaches).

[ChicosBailBonds]

What is your definition of a "case"? Sounds about as accurate as Crean's buyout only being $8MM last November (was really $16MM).

My apologies...do you prefer incidents?  Cases is relevant, if you do a simple definition look up.

Try this   http://lmgtfy.com/?q=definition+of+case


Furthermore.....

Chicago Tribune used "cases"   http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-06-21/news/ct-met-marquette-assaults-timeline-20110621_1_sexual-assault-campus-security-student-reports

ESPN used cases  http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/7220087/marquette-golden-eagles-feds-review-response-sex-assault-allegations

Journal Sentinel used Cases

Etc

[ChicosBailBonds]

Just think you're wrong about the off the court grade. One bad incident that he learned from and has not had anything close to a repeat since. Excuseable? No. But the people who needed to be held accountable were. As far as Monarch goes, he's an adult who needs to be held accountable and be was. He even had a chance to make up for it but lied about what he did, which is why he was fired. Not much Buzz can do about that. And if Buzz is responsible for the actions of those below him (Monarch), then I find it hard to place blame on Buzz for those above him (firing of our AD...Buzz is the CEO of the hoops program, AD the CEO of the athletic department, including the basketball program and coaches).

We all have our opinions.  It was a BIG incident...and there were actually two, plus some minor ones involving Vander, the team, etc.  When you get the coverage those two got, the painful exposure, the firing of an AD, etc, etc....I'd couch it a bit more than one "bad incident".  To each their own. 

[brewcity77]

What is your definition of a "case"? Sounds about as accurate as Crean's buyout only being $8MM last November (was really $16MM).

Really? We need this topic in here too? Let it go. Or get a copy of the contract and post it. Either way, this isn't the place.

[Archies Bat]

What is your definition of a "case"? Sounds about as accurate as Crean's buyout only being $8MM last November (was really $16MM).

Added to my ignore list, sadly.

[Galway Eagle]

Rape incidents? You're kidding, right? And Juan getting suspended? So you're blaming Juan accepting tickets from a friend on Buzz? I'll put that 1 on the NCAA. There is no common sense in that institution. And Monarch getting fired is on Buzz? I get players getting in trouble shows some lack of control, but Monarch is an adult who is responsible for his own actions.

Yes rape incidents, there were two of them don't know how long it's been since you've been on campus but I was a sophomore and remember vividly reading it on every issue of the scool paper for a month.  And the bottom line is I place the blame on him for not explaining to Juan what he can or can't do.  And same with monarch, buzz is the head it's up to him to control, just like its up to Larry Williams to control buzz and if he messed up Larry is accountable and so on and so forth.

[Jay Bee]

Really? We need this topic in here too? Let it go. Or get a copy of the contract and post it. Either way, this isn't the place.

I have a copy.

This isn't the place for unfounded accusations against the school, individuals, coach, etc. either.

[Coleman]

A

The NCAA violation by Monarch prevents it from being perfect.

+1


I actually largely agree with Chico's off the court criticisms, but I think he's wrong that these are deserving of a C in evaluation of Buzz's job. I'd say a B at worst for off the court stuff.

[Skatastrophy]

Yes rape incidents, there were two of them don't know how long it's been since you've been on campus but I was a sophomore and remember vividly reading it on every issue of the scool paper for a month.  And the bottom line is I place the blame on him for not explaining to Juan what he can or can't do.  And same with monarch, buzz is the head it's up to him to control, just like its up to Larry Williams to control buzz and if he messed up Larry is accountable and so on and so forth.

It was sexual assault allegations, and they never made it to court.

As an aside, you need to separate your thoughts in your post. You're making Juan come out in a very bad light here for just going to a brewers game. Your posts read like Juan's the one you're insinuating was involved in the sexual assault allegations.

[Aughnanure]

A+s are only for national championships.

Jeez, at least leave some room for improvement.

[MattyWarrior]

B+ all the way around. Can't wait for the season to start.He should be held accountable for the mens bball program, and I think he has been. Great hire, program positives every year. Minor mistakes are part of the learning curve.

[MerrittsMustache]

+1


I actually largely agree with Chico's off the court criticisms, but I think he's wrong that these are deserving of a C in evaluation of Buzz's job. I'd say a B at worst for off the court stuff.

But giving "off the court" a B wouldn't stir the pot and make Chicos the focus of this thread.

B+ all the way around. Can't wait for the season to start.He should be held accountable for the mens bball program, and I think he has been. Great hire, program positives every year. Minor mistakes are part of the learning curve.

Well stated.