Transfers....not just an MU problem

[NavinRJohnson]

The coaches should of figured that out before they signed the players. It appears they are overselling the players on how good they are and underselling what the players have to do to become good. Wisconsin did not recruit Maymon, because they knew his dad was a problem. Ignoring problems does not make them go away.

Were this an issue specific to MU, you might have a point. One player or year or so? How many major programs don't find themselves in a similar situation?

[MerrittsMustache]

TJ Taylor had already bailed on Oklahoma. He got a concussion and transferred out. I think that was a red flag. Wisconsin did not recruit Maymon, because his dad was a nut case. That was another red flag. When players come in with too high of expectations the coaches need to show them that a lot of very good players play little as freshmen in major conferences.

Jae Crowder attended 2 different JC, including one that was unaccredited. Red flag!

Vander de-committed from Wisconsin. Red flag!

Jamil Wilson bailed on Oregon. Red flag!

Jake Thomas bailed on South Dakota. Red flag!

Dwight Buycks didn't qualify out of HS. Red flag!

Joe Fulce went to prep school to get his grades up. Red flag!

Mo Acker bailed on Ball State. Red flag!

[Tums Festival]

According to their athletics website, Smith is still at EIU.

http://eiupanthers.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=3685&path=mbball

[ChicosBailBonds]

Were this an issue specific to MU, you might have a point. One player or year or so? How many major programs don't find themselves in a similar situation?

Wisconsin

[muwarrior97]

Wisconsin

Jarrod Uthoff no?

[ChicosBailBonds]

Jarrod Uthoff no?

One player a year or so, I believe was the comment.

[MerrittsMustache]

One player a year or so, I believe was the comment.

Yet Uthoff's transfer got more bad pub nationally than any of Marquette's transfers, almost all of which barely made a ripple.

[bilsu]

Jae Crowder attended 2 different JC, including one that was unaccredited. Red flag!

Vander de-committed from Wisconsin. Red flag!

Jamil Wilson bailed on Oregon. Red flag!

Jake Thomas bailed on South Dakota. Red flag!

Dwight Buycks didn't qualify out of HS. Red flag!

Joe Fulce went to prep school to get his grades up. Red flag!

Mo Acker bailed on Ball State. Red flag!

I talking about whether players have the toughness to stay at least one year. I am not talking about players that transfer after one season. Somehow the coaches need to determine how commited a player is. In Thomas's case he wanted to transfer to a higher level program. That is a sign of commitment to being good, not the sign of being a quiter. McGuire loved taking transfers, because he knew they were not likely to transfer again. I am not against taking transfers or junior college players. I am not against players transferring out which is quite common. It is not that common that players leave before their first year is completed and I doubt that any school comes near to MU under Buzz losing players before their first year is over. It could be that Buzz is more willing to let a player go instead of a coach that will try to force a player to stay. I would love to know what Buzz said when McKay told him he was quiting.

[Jay Bee]

Poor Duke has that "red flag" Rodney Hood.

[MU82]

I talking about whether players have the toughness to stay at least one year. I am not talking about players that transfer after one season. Somehow the coaches need to determine how commited a player is. In Thomas's case he wanted to transfer to a higher level program. That is a sign of commitment to being good, not the sign of being a quiter. McGuire loved taking transfers, because he knew they were not likely to transfer again. I am not against taking transfers or junior college players. I am not against players transferring out which is quite common. It is not that common that players leave before their first year is completed and I doubt that any school comes near to MU under Buzz losing players before their first year is over. It could be that Buzz is more willing to let a player go instead of a coach that will try to force a player to stay. I would love to know what Buzz said when McKay told him he was quiting.

Jamil apparently didn't have the toughness to stay more than one year at Oregon.

[MU82]

Time for the NCAA to get rid the of grad school rule. In the the last three years, not one "graduate student" has earned his masters degree after transferring...to play basketball for one more year.

Yes, because the biggest problem in college sports is that there aren't enough rules limiting kids who are smart enough to get their degrees before their eligibility expires.

[MerrittsMustache]

I talking about whether players have the toughness to stay at least one year. I am not talking about players that transfer after one season. Somehow the coaches need to determine how commited a player is. In Thomas's case he wanted to transfer to a higher level program. That is a sign of commitment to being good, not the sign of being a quiter. McGuire loved taking transfers, because he knew they were not likely to transfer again. I am not against taking transfers or junior college players. I am not against players transferring out which is quite common. It is not that common that players leave before their first year is completed and I doubt that any school comes near to MU under Buzz losing players before their first year is over. It could be that Buzz is more willing to let a player go instead of a coach that will try to force a player to stay. I would love to know what Buzz said when McKay told him he was quiting.

You mentioned that TJT and Maymon both had red flags coming in. Well, so did those players that I listed and they seem to be working out OK.

TJT was homesick. Does that mean he isn't tough? Maymon didn't really have a choice in his departure. Does that mean he isn't tough?

[Dawson Rental]

Before bringing the players to campus, you believe that the coaches should have known that TJT was going to become homesick? And that Maymon's dad was going to pull his son from the team? And that Reggie Smith would completely overestimate his abilities? Should they have also known that Chris Otule would have injury issues and earn a sixth year of eligibility? Or that Juan Anderson would ask for his release but then come back to the program? Or that Scott Monarch would lie about giving a kid a t-shirt? Perhaps Buzz should bring in John Edward as recruiting coordinator.


If coaches never brought in players who thought too much of themselves, college athletics would cease to exist.

IIRC, Maymon wasn't pulled from the team, he was dropped by Buzz after his dad and former AAU coach went above Buzz's head to an assistant AD to try and pressure Buzz into changing the way that he used Jeronne, and Jeronne wasn't happy about having to leave to pay for the sins of those two, but had no choice in the matter.

[GGGG]

IIRC, Maymon wasn't pulled from the team, he was dropped by Buzz after his dad and former AAU coach went above Buzz's head to an assistant AD to try and pressure Buzz into changing the way that he used Jeronne, and Jeronne wasn't happy about having to leave to pay for the sins of those two, but had no choice in the matter.

And he most definitely had the toughness to finish the year. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

Yet Uthoff's transfer got more bad pub nationally than any of Marquette's transfers, almost all of which barely made a ripple.

No disputing that.  Much thanks to Bo

[rocky_warrior]

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