Buzz's Salary Information

[ChicosBailBonds]

Don't let facts get in the way of a good story Chicos.

Shat, I keep forgetting that part. 

[martyconlonontherun]

This is a myth.  MU did not double applications.....they went up 9.33%.  From 7,500 to 8,200.  They went up, all a good thing, but far from doubling.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1683&dat=20030413&id=6KcaAAAAIBAJ&sjid=gkMEAAAAIBAJ&pg=6363,977800

Not only that, but the quality of applicants probably went down. Let's face it, students who choose a school based on basketball success aren't the Yale types.

[MU72491]

No he obviously doesn't shoot 3s or go to the left, but you must be confused if you think that buzz Williams isn't the most valuable asset Marquette basketball has

[Jay Bee]

My guess is that he's making low 2's in guaranteed pay.

Most "salary information" out there is horrible - incomplete & misunderstood.

[GGGG]

He is the highest paid coach in America not to reach the Final Four.  

I see you have now grabbed onto this as if the Final Four threshold is the only thing on which to judge a coach.  Buzz has taken MU to three straight S16s...an E8...and a regular season conference title.  He is the most consistently successful coach MU has had since Al McGuire, and will the recruiting class he is bringing is, is setting MU up to be even more successful.

MU should be very careful about making sure that he doesn't leave.

[TJ]

Unless I am missing something else, and I don't think I am, I agree. 

He's paid very well already.  Why do we need to pay that much more than comparable coaches at comparable programs?  How many other coaches that aren't already destined for the Hall of Fame (and Calipari) are making $2M+?  He's been wonderful, but I think you are overvaluing his accomplishments somewhat.

[dwaderoy2004]

MU should be very careful about making sure that he doesn't leave.

But on some level, you have to realize/admit that Buzz gains something from being at Marquette as well.  Sure, maybe a SMU wants to throw 4 million per year at him, but is that really a situation Buzz wants to be in?  I honestly think Marquette is a top 20 job, and that may be a little conservative.  Our recent success and financial/infrastructure support to basketball is top tier.  So if Buzz is making $2 million plus, that really should be enough to ward off any lower level programs from swooping in offering JUST a higher payday.  If another elite program wants Buzz, at that point money probably isn't the deciding factor anyway.

[Silkk the Shaka]

I see you have now grabbed onto this as if the Final Four threshold is the only thing on which to judge a coach.  Buzz has taken MU to three straight S16s...an E8...and a regular season conference title.  He is the most consistently successful coach MU has had since Al McGuire, and will the recruiting class he is bringing is, is setting MU up to be even more successful.

MU should be very careful about making sure that he doesn't leave.

After all, the final four is all luck anyway, right?

[ChicosBailBonds]

I see you have now grabbed onto this as if the Final Four threshold is the only thing on which to judge a coach.  Buzz has taken MU to three straight S16s...an E8...and a regular season conference title.  He is the most consistently successful coach MU has had since Al McGuire, and will the recruiting class he is bringing is, is setting MU up to be even more successful.

MU should be very careful about making sure that he doesn't leave.

I don't want him to leave, I know MU doesn't.  If he's going to leave, he's going to leave.  He keeps saying money isn't an issue....why do so many on this board keep ignoring what the man says?  Or is this coach speak again?  It's a serious question.

By no means am I suggesting it is the only thing.  Personally, I would put incentives is as follows to reward not just post season.  I've said since the day I joined this board almost 7 years ago that I view a season in thirds.  Non Conference, Conference, Post Season.

Incentives
Graduation Rates
Top 3 Conference finish
Reach NCAAs
NCAA Sweet 16
NCAA Elite 8
NCAA Final Four
Champions

I'd also put in deductions if his team gets into problems off the court.  We had behavioral clauses like that at the Angels and Ducks when I was there. 

He's a critical piece to our success, but he doesn't walk on water.  It would be interesting to see people's tune here if Davidson doesn't throw the ball away.  I know you vehemently disagree with that, but just think for a second if we aren't gifted that win and lose in the first round as a 3 seed.  Same coach, same person...success and failure is on a razor's edge sometimes. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

After all, the final four is all luck anyway, right?

Something no one ever said on this board, ever.

[GGGG]

I'd also put in deductions if his team gets into problems off the court.  We had behavioral clauses like that at the Angels and Ducks when I was there. 

But those clauses are actually in the players contracts right?  Not the coach's...  I think it is silly that Buzz would be held responsible for his players off the court behavior and have that impact him financially.  He can't control his players every minute of every day.

But I do agree that grad rates should have incentives.

[Silkk the Shaka]

Something no one ever said on this board, ever.

Besides yourself?

Cue "use the search function" and "you owe me an apology!"

[Chicos' Buzz Scandal Countdown]

It would be interesting to see people's tune here if Davidson doesn't throw the ball away.

Woah you're saying we're more happy because we made it to the Elite 8 than we would have been if we were bounced in the first round? That's effing brilliant.

[Badgerhater]

Buzz pays for himself and then some. His economic impact on the university is practically immeasurable.

The value of our degrees goes up with each good season.  It may not be fair or even a wise thing, but name recognition related to success is always a good thing for all involved.

[MU B2002]

  We had behavioral clauses like that at the Angels and Ducks when I was there. 

You have worked at a lot of different places. 

[Sunbelt15]

If he wins a championship, I'll vouch for 3+ million per yr. CHA-CHING!!

[MerrittsMustache]

You have worked at a lot of different places. 

When you consider that he's both Chicos and Hoopaloop, it's really not as many as it seems.

[ChicosBailBonds]

But those clauses are actually in the players contracts right?  Not the coach's...  I think it is silly that Buzz would be held responsible for his players off the court behavior and have that impact him financially.  He can't control his players every minute of every day.

But I do agree that grad rates should have incentives.

We had them in our employee contracts actually.  Yes, players had them, but so did employees, coaches, etc.  Keep in mind we were owned by the Walt Disney company which is very conscious of that stuff. 

Since in college athletics the players aren't under contract, you would apply that to the coaches.  Is it fair?  Probably not, so what you do is make sure the coach is dealing with the players properly.  He can't babysit 13 to 15 guys, but then again he can be choosy about who he recruits and brings in and if someone has a bunch of red flags and then gets to a university and that behavior keeps on going, that kind of stuff has to be on the coach. 

Just one approach, I'm sure many will disagree with it. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

Besides yourself?

Cue "use the search function" and "you owe me an apology!"

Since you are accusing me, you provide the proof.  You said all luck, which no one has ever said.  Some luck, sure.  All luck, no one has ever said.

I look forward to where someone said that, least of all me. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

You have worked at a lot of different places.  

Not really.  Since college, four organizations in 21 years.  Only three since grad school in the last 19 years.  Ducks and Angels were one organization under Disney, but we worked for both teams under Disney Sports.

When you consider that he's both Chicos and Hoopaloop, it's really not as many as it seems.

Hoopaloop  started 3-20-2011 according to the member section information here
I started October 2006.  I went on hiatus July 16, 2011.....or 98 days after Hooploop came on board

Nice try.  It's all there in the members section info.  

[ChicosBailBonds]

Woah you're saying we're more happy because we made it to the Elite 8 than we would have been if we were bounced in the first round? That's effing brilliant.

I'm saying the razor's edge of success and "failure", especially if people only use the NCAA tournament as their sole criteria, is very thin.  I put failure in quotes because if this team would have lost to Davidson it would not have been a failed season in my eyes, far from it.  For others there, all they care about is the NCAA tournament and everything else you did doesn't mean anything.  I don't get it, but to each their own.

[Silkk the Shaka]

Since you are accusing me, you provide the proof.  You said all luck, which no one has ever said.  Some luck, sure.  All luck, no one has ever said.

I look forward to where someone said that, least of all me. 

NCAA tournament is a crapshoot man.  Roll of the dice.  You consistently get bounced early, NBD, bad luck.

[ChicosBailBonds]

NCAA tournament is a crapshoot man.  Roll of the dice.  You consistently get bounced early, NBD, bad luck.

That's what I thought...no one said it was all luck, as you implied.  Some years you get bounced early, some you don't, some you overachieve.  This isn't a new phenomenon. 

[jesmu84]

Hoopaloop  started 3-20-2011 according to the member section information here
I started October 2006.  I went on hiatus July 16, 2011.....or 98 days after Hooploop came on board

Nice try.  It's all there in the members section info.  

Those dates and overlaps don't preclude you from being both people.

[jsheim]

Bleacher report 4/2012 article has Buzz in the top 10 paid: 2.8M (Calipari is tops with 5.4M)
http://bleacherreport.com/arti...urnament/page/9

fyi, Rick Barnes at Texas gets 2.4M according to the same article.

Either this or the usatoday article is wrong.
The usatoday article has 0 Buzz bonus (true or not, unsure).
The bleacher report number is oddly similar to the 2010 number which is often sited...2.8M
The usatoday article seems to have an updated Coach-K number at 7M+.[/li][/list]

I'm guessing the usatoday article is right.....1.1M for this past year.