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Tubby is out at Minnesota

Started by Detfan23, March 25, 2013, 11:44:07 AM

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MisterJaylenBrownMU

Or maybe not: Dan Barreiro ‏@DanBarreiroKFAN If there is indeed already a verbal agreement in place for replacement, it is NOT Flip Saunders

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Quote from: LAZER on March 25, 2013, 12:14:50 PM
I've always found Parrish and Goodman's comments on the LW rift interesting.  Buzz could easily give those guys a call or hell even text them to knock it off with the AD problems storyline.  He could put that whole narrative to bed real fast.

The narrative is message board banter only. GP and JG have to put Buzz's name down and always will regardless of what Buzz says.

79Warrior

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 25, 2013, 12:04:04 PM

If Buzz goes to Minnesota, it means he was very, very unhappy at MU.  

Perhap, or he is not thrilled with NBE. I know folks here will go nuts about how much the B 10 sucks, but it is a higher profile conference, like it or not. Never know what motivates someone.

I find it curious his name keeps popping up. Some of this is drivel, but he is friendly with a couple of the guys and he could easily stop the name drop by sending a text saying knock it off.

GGGG

Wait...these people *want* Flip Saunders coaching up there???  What?

Pakuni

Quote from: MisterDMU on March 25, 2013, 12:14:15 PM
Obviously everything is just a rumor right now, but sources are saying that an unnamed coach has already verbally accepted the Gophers job. Which means almost definitely not Buzz. My money is on Flip Saunders.

http://www.forums.gopherhole.com/boards/showthread.php?45538-Tubby-is-out-who-will-be-the-next-coach&s=11b2fe9082ce73428a34b2f83bbbeadc

A Shaka shocker?

GGGG

Quote from: 79Warrior on March 25, 2013, 12:17:32 PM
Perhap, or he is not thrilled with NBE. I know folks here will go nuts about how much the B 10 sucks, but it is a higher profile conference, like it or not.


I don't think the conference affiliation matters much.  I mean, why should it?  If MU can pay the $$, provide the resources for support, attract the recruits, etc. it is arguably a better overall job than Minnesota.

MDMU04

Quote from: Pakuni on March 25, 2013, 12:10:42 PM

Agree. He has very little to gain by publicly addressing the rumors.
On the other hand, if he is tight with Goodman, et al. - and for all I know he isn't - he could probably tell these guys off the record to knock it off if he wanted.
But there's a benefit, whether he wants out or not, to having his name out there.

Very little to gain through addressing rumors is absolutely right. He probably has more to lose than any potential gain.

Think of it this way. If he addresses one rumor, he must address them all. Issuing a public denial of one rumor and not another would be seen by many to legitimize the unaddressed rumor. Given the frequency with which his name surfaces for these openings, he simply cannot specifically address any of them.

In addition, making a public statement saying that he is not going anywhere eliminates a lot of leverage he would have to get a longer or more lucrative contract. It also sets him up to appear dishonest if he were to go somewhere else.

Simply my own opinion, but I would be floored if Buzz left for either the UCLA or especially the.Minnesota jobs.
"They call me eccentric. They used to call me nuts. I haven't changed." - Al McGuire

LAZER

Quote from: PTM on March 25, 2013, 12:16:55 PM
The narrative is message board banter only. GP and JG have to put Buzz's name down and always will regardless of what Buzz says.

Those two have used Larry Williams as a reason Buzz would leave MU multiple times.  Most recently in the article yesterday.

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Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 25, 2013, 12:20:32 PM

I don't think the conference affiliation matters much.  I mean, why should it?  If MU can pay the $$, provide the resources for support, attract the recruits, etc. it is arguably a better overall job than Minnesota.

Agree/disagree. Purely from a coach standpoint, I don't think it matters.

I do think it matters to recruits, and selling recruits something that's not the best could alter a coach's standpoint.

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Canned Goods n Ammo

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 25, 2013, 12:20:32 PM

I don't think the conference affiliation matters much.  I mean, why should it?  If MU can pay the $$, provide the resources for support, attract the recruits, etc. it is arguably a better overall job than Minnesota.

For right now, yes.

But, given the ever-changing landscape, any B10 job might be better than a NBE job in a handful of years.

I don't think that is going to happen... but football $ is so insane right now, I don't know WTF is going to happen.


Wally Schroeder

Little do you all know, Buzz is actually going to coach both UCLA and Minnesota next year. I know it's true, Michael Hunt told me.

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Quote from: LAZER on March 25, 2013, 12:23:09 PM
Those two have used Larry Williams as a reason Buzz would leave MU multiple times.  Most recently in the article yesterday.

If Buzz comes out after the NCAA tournament and says "I'm here as long as they'll have me" again, his name will still get floated come Spring of 2014.

The writers have to include names, and they have to include the good, young coaches.

MDMU04

Quote from: LAZER on March 25, 2013, 12:23:09 PM
Those two have used Larry Williams as a reason Buzz would leave MU multiple times.  Most recently in the article yesterday.

Something being repeated multiple times does not necessarily make it fact. Keep this in mind when reading rumors from national sources.
"They call me eccentric. They used to call me nuts. I haven't changed." - Al McGuire

RJax55

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Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 25, 2013, 12:19:14 PM
Wait...these people *want* Flip Saunders coaching up there???  What?

In coaching circles, Flip is considered to be an offensive genius. And, he's the best coach in TWolves history.

frozena pizza

Quote from: Warrior1969 on March 25, 2013, 12:00:24 PM
Sorry I call bullcrap   Minnesota????  are you freaking crazy?  Why would Buzz go there?  this is just crazy.  I think in the end like any other coach Buzz doesn't mind all of these offseason rumors and am willing to bet he uses this all to get another new contract deal.

Almost as crazy as leaving Kentucky for Minnesota.

GGGG

Quote from: frozena pizza on March 25, 2013, 12:30:11 PM
Almost as crazy as leaving Kentucky for Minnesota.

Buzz isn't beating wolves to the door like Smith was.

Pakuni

Quote from: PTM on March 25, 2013, 12:26:42 PM
If Buzz comes out after the NCAA tournament and says "I'm here as long as they'll have me" again, his name will still get floated come Spring of 2014.

The writers have to include names, and they have to include the good, young coaches.

True.
But if Goodman were to receive a text from Buzz saying "stop mentioning me as a UCLA candidate. I'm not interested," then his name would no longer be floated. That apparently hasn't happened.

FWIW, I'm not suggesting Buzz is under any obligation to send such a text, even if he weren't interested. There's a lot to be gained for him by having his name out there. But as a fan, it's annoying as heck to go through this every year.

LAZER

Quote from: MDMU04 on March 25, 2013, 12:27:02 PM
Something being repeated multiple times does not necessarily make it fact. Keep this in mind when reading rumors from national sources.

I'm not saying whether or not it's true, I'm just saying that Buzz could easily have those guys drop the notion that he is unhappy with his AD.  Then again, maybe he doesn't want them to. That's why I find it interesting.

MDMU04

Quote from: frozena pizza on March 25, 2013, 12:30:11 PM
Almost as crazy as leaving Kentucky for Minnesota.
If you believe Buzz's situation here and Tubby's situation at the end of his UK tenure are analogous, then I have some land I would like to sell you.
"They call me eccentric. They used to call me nuts. I haven't changed." - Al McGuire

Pakuni

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 25, 2013, 12:31:13 PM
Buzz isn't beating wolves to the door like Smith was.

Yep. That was a George Costanza preemptive break up.

The Equalizer

Quote from: Guns n Ammo on March 25, 2013, 12:05:27 PM
Yea, I might have brought that up last season as well.

I don't really have a good answer.

Personally, I never critiqued TC for it, and I won't critique Buzz for it either. I figure that's just the way it goes.

It would be very cool for Buzz to come out and put the "rumors" to rest, but I don't expect him to address every rumor that comes up. He's got bigger fish to fry.


I'll say the same thing when it came up regarding Crean--it's the sports writers job to speculate on who's going to fill an opening.  When you're successful (as Crean was and Buzz is), their names will be mentioned with any high profile opening.

Buzz isn't setting anyone up to make these statements, and no matter how many denials he issues, he can't stop them, either.  

More troubling than the rumors themselves is the fact that at least some in the sports media currently view a mid-tier Big Ten program as a step up from one of the two best teams in the new Big East.  

Jay Bee

I couldn't see Buzz at UCLA or Minnesota.

Shaka at Minnesota? Sure. HERE's why.

Tubby's time at Minnesota has been brutal. Beating a broken UCLA team didn't do anything to help his cause - it's been six years of disappointment and ... issues.
REJOICE! Eric Dixon has been suspended!!

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Quote from: The Equalizer on March 25, 2013, 12:39:32 PM
More troubling than the rumors themselves is the fact that at least some in the sports media currently view a mid-tier Big Ten program as a step up from one of the two best teams in the new Big East.  


I sort of agree... but there are a lot of media members who are idiots when it comes to this stuff.

Several media members last year had no idea that Buzz made so much money at MU. They thought OK would just come in and buy him out. They seemed shocked at how much MU actually pays him.


We R Final Four

Quote from: 79Warrior on March 25, 2013, 12:17:32 PM
Perhap, or he is not thrilled with NBE. I know folks here will go nuts about how much the B 10 sucks, but it is a higher profile conference, like it or not. Never know what motivates someone.

I find it curious his name keeps popping up. Some of this is drivel, but he is friendly with a couple of the guys and he could easily stop the name drop by sending a text saying knock it off.
A coach who has success at MU will always have his name brought up with the next big job.

M@RQUETTEW@RRIORS

Quote from: We R Final Four on March 25, 2013, 12:50:39 PM
A coach who has success at MU will always have his name brought up with the next big job.

Not always...

If a coach stays long enough and turns enough jobs down.  IE Mark Few, it will change.  But it will take time.