Consensus 4 seed right now

[ChicosBailBonds]

http://bracketmatrix.com/

[77ncaachamps]

SAN JOSE! SAN JOSE!

[DCWarriors04]

I want UCLA as the 5 opposite us.

[wadesworld]

http://bracketmatrix.com/

Let's go Ohio State and VCU.

My question is this...Miami wins the ACC outright and will most likely win the ACC Tournament.  They blew out Duke at home and lost by 3 on the road to Duke with a player putting up a career night against them.  With Duke losing in the quarterfinals of the ACC Tournament to Maryland, how can you justify giving Duke a 1 seed over Miami if they beat UNC today?

[brewcity77]

I think a 4 seems most likely. Just can't really see any way we get ahead of any of those teams on the 3-line. I think there's a decent chance Wisconsin joins us on the 4-line instead of Arizona. I definitely don't want to see Oklahoma State as the 5 in our pod. I just don't think we match up well at all.

[forgetful]

Let's go Ohio State and VCU.

My question is this...Miami wins the ACC outright and will most likely win the ACC Tournament.  They blew out Duke at home and lost by 3 on the road to Duke with a player putting up a career night against them.  With Duke losing in the quarterfinals of the ACC Tournament to Maryland, how can you justify giving Duke a 1 seed over Miami if they beat UNC today?

Easy, they have losses to Florida Gulf Coast, Indiana St. and Wake Forest, (6 losses total).  Duke's worst loss Maryland in the conference tourney (or Maryland at Maryland).

[MUMountin]

I think a 4 seems most likely. Just can't really see any way we get ahead of any of those teams on the 3-line. I think there's a decent chance Wisconsin joins us on the 4-line instead of Arizona. I definitely don't want to see Oklahoma State as the 5 in our pod. I just don't think we match up well at all.

I think we missed our shot at a 3 seed on Thursday.  I think we're still a 4, but now closer to a 5.  FWIW, Lunardi's Bracket Math says that SLU over VCU bumps us out to the 5 seed.  All pretty close right now.  As mentioned, though--5 seed might end up putting us close to home.  Worst outcome would be a 5-seed out west.

[wadesworld]

I think we missed our shot at a 3 seed on Thursday.  I think we're still a 4, but now closer to a 5.  FWIW, Lunardi's Bracket Math says that SLU over VCU bumps us out to the 5 seed.  All pretty close right now.  As mentioned, though--5 seed might end up putting us close to home.  Worst outcome would be a 5-seed out west.

Why would a 5 seed put us closer to home?  If we're a 4 now then you'd have to assume that if we do fall down to a 5 we'd be the top 5.  With 5 seeds not being in the group of teams that they try to keep close to home in the first 2 rounds, that would mean that we'd play the bottom 4, which would most likely be playing out West.  I would have to assume we'd be a low 4 (playing out west) or the highest 5 (playing out west) on the S curve.

[brewcity77]

Why would a 5 seed put us closer to home?

Because they still try to keep teams somewhat close to their regional area, It's possible Oklahoma State, UCLA, and Arizona could all be on the 5-line with us if we dropped down there. If that's the case, it seems likely we would be the 5-seed most likely to stay in the eastern half of the country.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Let's go Ohio State and VCU.

My question is this...Miami wins the ACC outright and will most likely win the ACC Tournament.  They blew out Duke at home and lost by 3 on the road to Duke with a player putting up a career night against them.  With Duke losing in the quarterfinals of the ACC Tournament to Maryland, how can you justify giving Duke a 1 seed over Miami if they beat UNC today?

Duke has lost one game this year with Kelly playing for them.  That's a big part of it.  Duke also has some much better wins.  I wouldn't count UNC out of that game today either.

[MUMountin]

Why would a 5 seed put us closer to home?  If we're a 4 now then you'd have to assume that if we do fall down to a 5 we'd be the top 5.  With 5 seeds not being in the group of teams that they try to keep close to home in the first 2 rounds, that would mean that we'd play the bottom 4, which would most likely be playing out West.  I would have to assume we'd be a low 4 (playing out west) or the highest 5 (playing out west) on the S curve.

The bottom 4s are basically guaranteed out west, because there are no schools in the top 16 or so that have a preference for San Jose (and to a lesser extent, Salt Lake beyond Gonzaga).  Since each pod is guaranteed two of the top 16 seeds, #s 14/15/16 are almost definitely headed west.  In other words, at this point, after probably sliding down the S-Curve the last two days to likely one of the lower 4 seeds, if we get a 4, it is almost a virtual certainty that it will be out west.  

After that, the 5s are sent based on the 4 that they are matched up with.  I do agree with you re: the top 5 seeds should be paired with the lowest four, and therefore there is a good chance that we still end up out West.  But, at that point, the other "rules" come into effect that might mean they have to shuffle teams around based on conferences, already played this season, etc., so there is a slightly better chance that we get lucky and get bumped to a location closer to home.  For instance, if 'Cuse and Wisconsin are both 4s, I don't think we can play either in the 3rd round, so we'd be left with one of the other two 4s--and who knows who that might be and where they'll end up.  It may not be a great chance, but I think there is more of a chance as a 5 that we end up with a more favorable spot.  

Now, 4 out west vs. 5 closer to home--not sure which is the better option for us at this point.

[KenoshaWarrior]

I want UCLA as the 5 opposite us.

Heck no!!  That team is talented as all get out and it will be in front of a home crowd in SJ

[DCWarriors04]

And missing one of their best players

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Heck no!!  That team is talented as all get out and it will be in front of a home crowd in SJ

That location would not be good, but UCLA just lost Adams. If they're the 4 or 5 across from MU, things could look worse. UNLV, UCLA, SLU, Memphis would probably be best matchups for MU.

[wadesworld]

The one good thing about being placed in the West bracket is then your 1 seed would be Gonzaga.  I would not be complaining 1 bit about that.

[77ncaachamps]

Having been there for MU vs Washington, the crowd was tremendously purple!

UCLA would be bad, Bad, BAD!

[DCWarriors04]

Any worse than playing Xavier in Cleveland or Murray State in Louisville?

[wadesworld]

Any worse than playing Xavier in Cleveland or Murray State in Louisville?

Xavier wasn't bad because OSU was there too, so it was like 95% OSU fans in the building.

[tower912]

I want to see VCU play Wisconsin. 

[Pakuni]

I want to see VCU play Wisconsin. 

Things never said by Bo Ryan?

[bilsu]

I want UCLA as the 5 opposite us.

I have been waiting over 40 years to play UCLA. We had three chances to do that and lost the NCAA tournament game prior to it all three times. 1969 lost to Purdue, 1979 lost to DePaul and 2006 lost to Alabama.

[muguru]

The bottom 4s are basically guaranteed out west, because there are no schools in the top 16 or so that have a preference for San Jose (and to a lesser extent, Salt Lake beyond Gonzaga).  Since each pod is guaranteed two of the top 16 seeds, #s 14/15/16 are almost definitely headed west.  In other words, at this point, after probably sliding down the S-Curve the last two days to likely one of the lower 4 seeds, if we get a 4, it is almost a virtual certainty that it will be out west.  

After that, the 5s are sent based on the 4 that they are matched up with.  I do agree with you re: the top 5 seeds should be paired with the lowest four, and therefore there is a good chance that we still end up out West.  But, at that point, the other "rules" come into effect that might mean they have to shuffle teams around based on conferences, already played this season, etc., so there is a slightly better chance that we get lucky and get bumped to a location closer to home.  For instance, if 'Cuse and Wisconsin are both 4s, I don't think we can play either in the 3rd round, so we'd be left with one of the other two 4s--and who knows who that might be and where they'll end up.  It may not be a great chance, but I think there is more of a chance as a 5 that we end up with a more favorable spot.  

Now, 4 out west vs. 5 closer to home--not sure which is the better option for us at this point.

I'd much rather play a 13 seed than a 12 in the 1st round. I mean would you rather play an Akron, or a Valpo for example, or a high major, like a Tennessee or Davidson or someone like that??

[Otule's Glass Eye]

I want UCLA as the 5 opposite us.

I would love to play Shabazz Muhammad and overrated UCLA.

[Groin_pull]

San Jose, please. Short train ride away.

[forgetful]

I'd much rather play a 13 seed than a 12 in the 1st round. I mean would you rather play an Akron, or a Valpo for example, or a high major, like a Tennessee or Davidson or someone like that??

Wait, the NBE is going to be a mid major conference, but Davidson is high major??