Jamal Ferguson = Pat Hazell

[lab_warrior]

Blue, Gardner, Otule, Taylor, Dwill, Anderson, Mayo and 4 of the five guys in the next year's class, one the highest in MU's history ... and you were not sure until LAST NIGHT Buzz could recruit a four year player?

Troll

A recruit decommits or a player transfers from a Division I university to another Division I university?!  That RARELY happens!

A freshman player has difficulty getting playing time because there are 4-5 upperclassmen who play the same position ahead of him on the depth chart, and a coach who doesn't have a big history of playing freshmen big minutes?!  NO WAY.

A Scoop poster cherry picks TWO examples out of the giant pool of data to show a "trend", and to mold it into a spectacularly DERPY argument?!  That RARELY happens!

Also, the original post equating Ferguson with Hazel--NO...JUST, NO.  No.

[jsglow]

Nobody plays 12.  Jamal is going to have to earn his opportunity in practice.  If he develops in the way that Juan has, he'll have a place.  If he doesn't, he may make the decision to stay or he may look for greener pastures.  No different than any other Frosh that shows up.  Plus there's absolutely no indication that he's anything other than a top notch kid.

And this statement about Buzz not developing 4 year players is just laughable.  I'm pretty sure there isn't a Juco on the roster now.  (Heck, we've got 2 kids in freakin' grad school.)  We've needed Jucos in the past (most of whom were fully qualified out of high school) to balance the classes and fill an empty cupboard post Three Amigos.  Fantastic that most worked out wonderfully, both on AND off the court.

[Mufflers]

Do you think Ferguson would have redshirted if Buzz and him knew how little he'd play?  Related, I wish Junior wouldn't have given up a year of eligibility to have an insignificant contribution his freshman year.

Can you believe Mbakwe blew a year of eligibility just like Junior and he's still playing college ball something like six years later.  I imagine he has played the fewest games for anybody who has been in college as long as he has.  If I were a Minnesota fan, I would nickname him Dr. Mbakwe.

[Tugg Speedman]

Juan was hurt last year, Ferguson is not (as far as we know).

And again, I'm asking why Buzz cannot find him a few minutes in games that are firmly in hand like Providence and USF, not why he is not part of the rotation.  He's played 3 minutes in the last 10 games.  

Is the ghost of Ewill at Louisville behind this decision?

[GGGG]

Do you think Ferguson would have redshirted if Buzz and him knew how little he'd play? 

I don't think many college coaches like to redshirt.  Bo Ryan seems to be the only one who does this.  Creates logjams later on.

I mean, ask a UW fan about Bo redshirting JP Gavinski or Evan Anderson, and they'll just roll their eyes.

[dwaderoy2004]

Juan was hurt last year, Ferguson is not (as far as we know).

And again, I'm asking why Buzz cannot find him a few minutes in games that are firmly in hand like Providence and USF, not why he is not part of the rotation.  He's played 3 minutes in the last 10 games.  

Is the ghost of Ewill at Louisville behind this decision?

We were only up 10 with 4 minutes left.  Too close to open the bench up.

[Mufflers]

I don't think many college coaches like to redshirt.  Bo Ryan seems to be the only one who does this.  Creates logjams later on.

I mean, ask a UW fan about Bo redshirting JP Gavinski or Evan Anderson, and they'll just roll their eyes.

Bo recruits on the basis of representing the state of Wisconsin.  It's tougher for him to argue to kids from Wisconsin that they should probably leave the program.  I think the same would apply for MKE kids for Buzz. 

If Junior, Anderson, eWilliams, or Ferguson didn't work out after a couple years, I think it's reasonable to find them a better fit.  I would support redshirting players who won't contribute much in the first season to take their fifth year upside.

[T-Bone]

Ugh. 

Compare the stats for both as a freshman with Anderson thrown in for good measure - with the amount that Buzz loves to play Freshman.
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=juan-anderson&juan-anderson=2011-2012&p1=jamal-ferguson&p2=patrick-hazel&patrick-hazel=2007-2008

Wait and see.  Or speculate wildly...

[Tugg Speedman]

Ugh. 

Compare the stats for both as a freshman with Anderson thrown in for good measure - with the amount that Buzz loves to play Freshman.
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=juan-anderson&juan-anderson=2011-2012&p1=jamal-ferguson&p2=patrick-hazel&patrick-hazel=2007-2008

Wait and see.  Or speculate wildly...

Remember that Juan was hurt (he had shoulder surgery after the season ended) and he was suspended for the first three games, so he missed the cupcakes, because of the Brewer tickets.

[T-Bone]

Remember that Juan was hurt (he had shoulder surgery after the season ended) and he was suspended for the first three games, so he missed the cupcakes, because of the Brewer tickets.

I know, I know. 
He still managed to participate in 24 games according to what statsheet has out there. 

[Mufflers]

If a player leaves due to lack of playing time, chances are he wasn't going to be a stud anyway.  When was the last time somebody good transferred from Marquette other than Mbakwe?  Was it because of lack of playing time?

Why is this thread talking as if Hazell was ever a game changer?  He averaged 4.2 points and 4.2 rebounds for his career.

[Litehouse]

Wow, we're tied for 1st in the Big East, nationally ranked, now have a 21 game winning streak at home, and Vander Blue just had the best game of his career, the toughest game of the season coming up next, but we're caught up on how much playing time Jamal Ferguson is getting???  He's a freshman, and he has some pretty damn good players ahead of him on the depth chart right now.  Besides the fact that Pat Hazell and Erik Williams transferring had little to do with playing time.

This is absurd.  Are we a fan base that is simply incapable of enjoying anything?

[keefe]

This is absurd.  Are we a fan base that is simply incapable of enjoying anything?

It's not the fan base. It is this board. Or the handful of no it all who dominate the tone and tenor of discussion.

[Tugg Speedman]

If a player leaves due to lack of playing time, chances are he wasn't going to be a stud anyway.  When was the last time somebody good transferred from Marquette other than Mbakwe?  Was it because of lack of playing time?

Why is this thread talking as if Hazell was ever a game changer?  He averaged 4.2 points and 4.2 rebounds for his career.

When was the last time somebody good transferred from Marquette other than Mbakwe?  Was it because of lack of playing time?

Jmay and Reggie Smith?

I guessing you think Mbao, McMorrow, Ewill and Jamail Jones were never any good to begin with?

Why is this thread talking as if Hazell was ever a game changer?  He averaged 4.2 points and 4.2 rebounds for his career.

No, I was curious about Ferguson never playing and it reminded me of how Hazell never played (I did not know/remember Hazell had off-court problems that prevented him from seeing the floor).

Wow, we're tied for 1st in the Big East, nationally ranked, now have a 21 game winning streak at home, and Vander Blue just had the best game of his career, the toughest game of the season coming up next, but we're caught up on how much playing time Jamal Ferguson is getting???  He's a freshman, and he has some pretty damn good players ahead of him on the depth chart right now.  Besides the fact that Pat Hazell and Erik Williams transferring had little to do with playing time.

This is absurd.  Are we a fan base that is simply incapable of enjoying anything?

Wrong, we have tons of threads about Vander and 6 -1 in the BE.  We can walk and chew gum at the same time and discuss other issues too.

[BCHoopster]

Wait till next year when MU has 13 scholarship players, that is why Syracuse has about 9 on scollys or Duke, of course, they sign Top 20 kids every year for replacements.  It is hard
to play more than 9 players a game.  Ferguson might be in the same situation with a few freshman next year, sitting and clapping there teammates!

3 point guards - Dawson and Wilson not much time
2 guard         -  Ferguson,  Mayo?
forward         -  Burton
Power F        -   Dog fight - Jwill, Mckay, Taylor
C                 -   O'tule does not comeback then they can play 2 P's with Gardner.

Lots of competition!

[cven7]

[BCHoopster]

Exactly, the best thing that can happen, is competition, Practice next year will be fun to watch!

[Tugg Speedman]

Wait till next year when MU has 13 scholarship players, that is why Syracuse has about 9 on scollys or Duke, of course, they sign Top 20 kids every year for replacements.  It is hard
to play more than 9 players a game.  Ferguson might be in the same situation with a few freshman next year, sitting and clapping there teammates!

3 point guards - Dawson and Wilson not much time
2 guard         -  Ferguson,  Mayo?
forward         -  Burton
Power F        -   Dog fight - Jwill, Mckay, Taylor
C                 -   O'tule does not comeback then they can play 2 P's with Gardner.

Lots of competition!

Where does Tokoto fit in when he transfers to MU?

[Dawson Rental]

Bo recruits on the basis of representing the state of Wisconsin.  It's tougher for him to argue to kids from Wisconsin that they should probably leave the program.  I think the same would apply for MKE kids for Buzz. 

If Junior, Anderson, eWilliams, or Ferguson didn't work out after a couple years, I think it's reasonable to find them a better fit.  I would support redshirting players who won't contribute much in the first season to take their fifth year upside.

In this case, I think that moving Ferguson back into a class that already includes three or four players with similar attributes really would create a logjam.

[BCHoopster]

Where does Tokoto fit in when he transfers to MU?

Next year, no where, let him sit at NC for another year after he is over recruited next year.  Not sure he has game yet to be nothing more than a role player at MU or NC.

[Sunbelt15]

Wrong, we have tons of threads about Vander and 6 -1 in the BE.  We can walk and chew gum at the same time and discuss other issues too.
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I love that!!!

If you're sitting for 2 years at a D1 school, it's time to move on. We'll know more about Ferguson next year (if he stays).

[dwaderoy2004]

Sunbelt?  As in the conference?  You just want Ferguson to transfer to one of your schools, don't you!?

[Markusquette]

I just like how the original comparison is to Hazel rather than someone more recent like Jones or Williams.  Thanks for reminding me Patrick Hazel even played for MU.

[Sunbelt15]

Sunbelt?  As in the conference?  You just want Ferguson to transfer to one of your schools, don't you!?

Just saying, MU is a prestigious basketball program. I he can get a scholarship here and not play for 2 years, he can get one somewhere else and play. I hope he stays and play cause I see potential. But if he leaves, I can't fault him.

[bradley center bat]

What ever happened to freshmen not playing.