End of shotclock/half/game scenarios

[Benny B]

Agree - there was team back in the 70's that won a national semifinal game with a court-long heave.

Exactly.  IMO, conceding the second FT (and going down two points) in order to give you a long inbounds opportunity to force a tie with a FG (or win with a 3PT) is a much higher probability than a miss/rebound/launch with under 2.0 seconds remaining.

Further, the most-likely outcome from repeated lane violations is that the shooter intentionally trying to miss will eventually miss the rim (like Trent almost did the second time), and the ball is given out-of-bounds to the team with the possession arrow.  So as long as Team G has the possession arrow, it could end up with a situation where they don't have to concede the point and they get to in-bound the ball.

[TJ]

Pretty sure it just happened, that's what we're talking about. There were consecutive lane violations by the same GT player on Trent's two misses.

No there weren't.  There was one lane violation, caused largely by Trent's hesitation/double-pump on his first attempt.  There was no lane violation on the second free throw miss which they rebounded and then had a shot blocked and the game was then over.  The inadvertent whistle was because he thought the ball did not touch the rim on the second FT attempt, which would have resulted in awarding the ball to Georgetown out of bounds.  That call was was waived off/canceled and the game was over.

[Benny B]

No there weren't.  There was one lane violation, caused largely by Trent's hesitation/double-pump on his first attempt.  There was no lane violation on the second free throw miss which they rebounded and then had a shot blocked and the game was then over.  The inadvertent whistle was because he thought the ball did not touch the rim on the second FT attempt, which would have resulted in awarding the ball to Georgetown out of bounds.  That call was was waived off/canceled and the game was over.

Life doesn't exist in a vacuum.  The scenario I proposed is substantially different than what happened but similar enough to frame the question, which was "what would prevent this from happening."

Apparently, I have my answer: nothing.  You can, in fact, force a stalemate in basketball until the other team concedes you an advantage.

[LloydMooresLegs]

Sorry u am weighing in late on this, but maybe a delay of game or unsportsmanlike play technical would solve the problem?

[TJ]

Life doesn't exist in a vacuum.  The scenario I proposed is substantially different than what happened but similar enough to frame the question, which was "what would prevent this from happening."

Apparently, I have my answer: nothing.  You can, in fact, force a stalemate in basketball until the other team concedes you an advantage.

Your question was a great question to ask.  Very interesting hypothetical scenario.

My first post was a response to someone who said a rule should be added in the offseason to prevent the situation.  I said there's no reason to add a new rule to the rule book until it actually happens in real life.  I bet we could put our minds together and come up with a lot of interesting situations that the rules don't cover very well - the rule book would be bigger than the Bible if we tried to write a rule to cover every unique situation.

My second post was to someone who said that your scenario actually had happened in the game.  It did not.

[brewcity77]

Your question was a great question to ask.  Very interesting hypothetical scenario.

My first post was a response to someone who said a rule should be added in the offseason to prevent the situation.  I said there's no reason to add a new rule to the rule book until it actually happens in real life.  I bet we could put our minds together and come up with a lot of interesting situations that the rules don't cover very well - the rule book would be bigger than the Bible if we tried to write a rule to cover every unique situation.

My second post was to someone who said that your scenario actually had happened in the game.  It did not.

I disagree wholeheartedly with this. Why only write rules after the fact? You're write rules to stem off problems in the future, not to fix situations that are already in the past. If you can foresee a problem and make it not a problem before the situation ever arises, you are far better off than waiting for a problem to occur and then trying to play Monday Morning quarterback.

[GGGG]

Life doesn't exist in a vacuum.  The scenario I proposed is substantially different than what happened but similar enough to frame the question, which was "what would prevent this from happening."

Apparently, I have my answer: nothing.  You can, in fact, force a stalemate in basketball until the other team concedes you an advantage.

I'd whistle a technical foul on the offending team for preventing continuous play.

[TJ]

I disagree wholeheartedly with this. Why only write rules after the fact? You're write rules to stem off problems in the future, not to fix situations that are already in the past. If you can foresee a problem and make it not a problem before the situation ever arises, you are far better off than waiting for a problem to occur and then trying to play Monday Morning quarterback.

So the rule book gets so long that the officials have no hope of actually knowing the whole thing and applying it correctly?  I didn't mean they can't make rules for scenarios likely to happen in the future, but we're talking about something I would guess no one here has seen happen, possibly because it has never happened, and probably will not happen.  You can't legislate every situation that will ever come up.  It's impossible.

Oh, and Sultan just pointed out that there is already a rule for the refs to apply in this scenario, so that's good.

[GGGG]

Well, it technically I don't think is applicable because it is a bench technical...here is what it reads:

"Delaying the game by preventing the ball from being promptly made live
or by preventing continuous play, such as bench personnel entering the
playing court before player activity has been terminated. In such a case,
when the delay does not interfere with play, it shall be ignored."

However, I would apply it anyway.

[BM1090]

The lane violation strategy could also be used in another situation.

Team A is down two with 2 seconds left. Team A is on the line for one free throw and wants to miss intentionally for the possibility of a rebound and a putback to tie the game. Team B, who is on defense, could continuously step into the lane early until the free throw is made, giving Team B back the ball with a 1 point lead.