Horribly embarrassed on national TV … again

[Parsighian]

Congratulations to Coach Williams on his brutal honesty.

He needs to be brutally honest because that loss was brutally shameful. I am not certain he should be congratulated. Telling the truth is an expectation not an act of courage.

[THEultimateWARRIOR]

Theres not much else he can say. It was awful.

[Parsighian]

Theres not much else he can say. It was awful.

It was truly awful. The worst loss in Marquette history was the Miami of Ohio fiasco. The worst loss because MU was not prepared was against KU in the Final Four. Second would be the humiliating loss to Western Michigan.

[MU82]

Any NCAA tourney loss is worse than any regular-season loss. At least to me.

But I do agree with those who congratulated Buzz on his honesty. What was he supposed to say? Well, he could have made excuses or tried to find silver linings. Instead, he let everybody -- not just his players, but everybody who cares about Marquette basketball -- that what happened in that game was totally unacceptable and he'll work hard to make it not happen again.

[Goose]

The loss Thursday oobviously sucked, but long season and still reason for hope. For the old timers on here we handed a major beat down at the hands of the Irish at Arena in Dukiet era which was far worse IMO. At the that point it was just the sign of the times and not a bad loss. Fl loss was hopefully was just a bad, really bad regular season loss.

[tower912]

It was a bad loss.   But if you are going to have a bad loss, an OOC road loss to a top 10 team in November is the way to do it.    Nobody got hurt and lots of time to learn, build, and recover. 

[We R Final Four]

Well said Tower. This team will learn from this.

[4everwarriors]

Honest coach, wow, that's somethin' we weren't used to around here under the former regime.

[Real Chilly Podcast]

Honest coach, wow, that's somethin' we weren't used to around here under the former regime.

"I'm gonna be honest... I freakin love Diet Pepsi"

[martyconlonontherun]

I don't really see anything abnormal. He basically said the obvious. I guess he could've done silver lining route about how we are a young team etc. if he was 'brutally' honest he would be more specific and could've said he was responsible. I almost took it as I'm a good coach so don't judge me on this game cause it's an outlier. I would have been more surprised if he said our specific weaknesses but that be dumb of a coach.

[MU Avenue]

Some posters, including tower912 and We R Final Four, say that if Marquette had to be blown out by Florida, it is good it happened early in the season so our coaches and especially our players can use the experience as a tool of learning and growth.

I, too, think athletes benefit every time they compete, be it at practice or against another team -- win or lose.

But while it is philosophical and optimistic to write that our guys will learn, build, grow and recover from being hammered by the Gators, it seems a tad Pollyanna to suggest that with some learning, building, growing and recovering, this team is on the verge of something much bigger or greater.

This team looks and plays "young" and with great inconsistency, which is surprising given its number of college basketball veterans.

[Parsighian]

Honest coach, wow, that's somethin' we weren't used to around here under the former regime.

Was Crean dishonest?

[MU Avenue]

Like many others, I have an uneasy feeling these days about Marquette basketball; specifically, its future conference affiliation.

Marquette is a terrific university with a terrific, storied basketball tradition. Nonetheless, I worry that every day matters for Marquette as things shake out and teams align with conferences.

Thus, I hated every second of Marquette's awful, nationally televised loss to the Florida Gators. Marquette looked surprisingly weak and inconsistent. I thought the team played very "young," too.

I hardly think one loss will change the rotation of the planet, but this is no time for what is supposed to be a pretty good Marquette team to be looking so bad and to be getting crushed.

[wadesworld]

I have an uneasy feeling these days about Marquette basketball; specifically, its future conference affiliation.

Marquette is a terrific university with terrific, storied basketball tradition. Nonetheless, I worry that every day matters for Marquette as things shake out and teams align with conferences.

Thus, I hated every second of Marquette's awful, nationally televised loss to the Florida Gators. Marquette looked surprisingly weak and inconsistent. I thought the team played very "young," too.

I hardly think one loss will change the rotation of the planet, but this is no time for what is supposed to be a pretty good Marquette team to be looking so bad and to be getting crushed.

Nothing about this post makes any sense.  This year, last year, next year, history, future.  None of it matters.  There is one thing that matters in terms of conference realignment and that one thing is...

Football.

[Tugg Speedman]

You mean their is an issue about conference affiliation?  I think this is a subject that should be discussed on this board.  Maybe we should start a thread or two on this subject.

[Goose]

These are important days for future of the program. It really is amazing how much things have changed in NCAA over the past five years. We have had crossroads before and have done well for the most part. I really hope that our brass is consulting with basketball people to help their next move. I have not given hope on positive conference move, but confidence level is far from high. Maybe wishful thinking over confidence.

[chren21]

I say we hire fr wild as a consultant to lead us to our new Conference.  I would at least have more confidence then that we are going to do the best thing possible.

[MU Avenue]

These are important days for future of the program. It really is amazing how much things have changed in NCAA over the past five years. We have had crossroads before and have done well for the most part. I really hope that our brass is consulting with basketball people to help their next move. I have not given hope on positive conference move, but confidence level is far from high. Maybe wishful thinking over confidence.

You are right, Goose. These are enormously important days for the future of Marquette basketball.

It is too easy to say that only football drives the bus and that the future is largely out of Marquette's control.

No one fully understands what the future will bring in terms of conference realignment. No one also knows where Marquette will land.

Accordingly, Marquette must be very smart, informed and connected as it navigates the outrageously unpredictable world of collegiate athletic conferences.

And while it might sound like a simple concept, I think it only harms Marquette when it goes on national television and gets destroyed. Again, one never knows how such outcomes might eventually skew certain decisions.

[NickelDimer]

And while it might sound like a simple concept, I think it only harms Marquette when it goes on national television and gets destroyed. Again, one never knows how such outcomes might eventually skew certain decisions.

Ahhh, so this was really a v2 of your UF thread because v1 was locked.  Agenda revealed!

[MuMark]

Marquette could have beaten Florida by 30 and still would be in the exact same boat as far as re-alignment is concerned.

Marquette is one of the best basketball only schools in the country....that will not change because of one bad loss or even one bad season.

Unfortunately football drives the bus...not academics, traditional rivalries, geography(we benefited from that in our move to the BE), olympic sports or sadly basketball.

[🏀]

Obvious, restated.

[WI inferiority Complexes]

.....that will not change because of one bad loss or even one bad season.

But it was on ESPN2!!!! We're fucked!!!!!

[ATL MU Warrior]

November 29, 2012.

A date which will live in infamy.

Forever.

-- MU Avenue --

[Tugg Speedman]

These are important days for future of the program. It really is amazing how much things have changed in NCAA over the past five years. We have had crossroads before and have done well for the most part. I really hope that our brass is consulting with basketball people to help their next move. I have not given hope on positive conference move, but confidence level is far from high. Maybe wishful thinking over confidence.

MU is in its fifth alignment in the last 20 years

* Independent
* Miwestern Cities
* Great Midwest
* Conference USA
* Big East

Have faith that our sixth realignment will turn out fine.

[tower912]

Some posters, including tower912 and We R Final Four, say that if Marquette had to be blown out by Florida, it is good it happened early in the season so our coaches and especially our players can use the experience as a tool of learning and growth.

I, too, think athletes benefit every time they compete, be it at practice or against another team -- win or lose.

But while it is philosophical and optimistic to write that our guys will learn, build, grow and recover from being hammered by the Gators, it seems a tad Pollyanna to suggest that with some learning, building, growing and recovering, this team is on the verge of something much bigger or greater.

This team looks and plays "young" and with great inconsistency, which is surprising given its number of college basketball veterans.

You can save us and yourself a lot of misery if you just stop watching.   What exactly did you expect?    I predicted the loss in the Florida pre-game thread and got chastised.    Going in, I knew Florida was a top 10 team and that we weren't.   I knew we were playing on their floor.    I had a bad feeling going in and other than degree of butt-whoopin, it was pretty much what I expected.    But it is still only one loss.    It counts the same as the Butler loss.    IMO, the biggest problem on this team is that we have a lot of guys trying to make the leap from role-player to leader.   In 2004, we lost two starters off of a final four team, had two future NBA players on the roster, and went to the NIT.     This year, we lost two starters off of a sweet 16 team, and though we have many players who have started at the D1 level, we don't have anybody who has had to be 'the man' at the D1 level.    This team's success will be determined by who leads.    That is a lesson to be learned from the Florida game.    Neither Junior nor Jamil led.    Both retreated from the moment.    Blue stepped up.     But he stepped alone.     If this causes the fire to be lit in Jamil's and Junior's heart, then the game will be looked on as something that galvanized and changed this team.     But it is up to them.    But, unlike you, I will never whine because my team got whooped.    See the signature and have some brie.