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Author Topic: Mideast peace summit  (Read 5125 times)

tower912

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Mideast peace summit
« on: July 16, 2007, 08:38:41 PM »
I was watching GWB today, wondering why he seemed to be making so much sense, actually calling for a conference of all of the players in the mideast to try and find a peaceful solution for Iraq as well as the Israeli/Palestinian question.   Then I realized that this was what both the Iraq study group and John Kerry in the '04 campaign called for.  Stinking cut-and-runner.  Next thing you know, the administration will be calling for three semi-automomous regions and acting like it was their idea.   The nice thing is, with Maliki claiming his security forces are ready to stand up, the U.S. can stand down, if GWB's rhetoric for the last 2 years can be believed.   
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Re: Mideast peace summit
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2007, 10:07:36 PM »
How can you find a "peaceful solution" to the war in Iraq when Syria, Iran, and Al Quida have nothing to gain by peace and at the same time are so passionate about Jihad that their "foot soldiers" are willing to blow themselves up? Furthermore there is no bigger power in the picture who has any leverage over any of these groups outside of Russia over Iran (lots of luck there).

BTW----the only negotiations John Kerry talked about was having direct bilateral talks with North Korea which had failed under Clinton/Madame Albright-----Bush stayed the course with 6 party talks and appears to have carried the day with North Korea shutting down its reactor!

Notice no mention of any media credit to Bush for this breakthrough or mea culpa admitting they (the media) were wrong! GWB can't win----stocks at all time highs, a roaring economy, success with NK, and signs the surge is working----and no Kudos whatsoever from the national media!----go figure!

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« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2007, 01:47:02 AM »
I was watching GWB today, wondering why he seemed to be making so much sense, actually calling for a conference of all of the players in the mideast to try and find a peaceful solution for Iraq as well as the Israeli/Palestinian question.   Then I realized that this was what both the Iraq study group and John Kerry in the '04 campaign called for.  Stinking cut-and-runner.  Next thing you know, the administration will be calling for three semi-automomous regions and acting like it was their idea.   The nice thing is, with Maliki claiming his security forces are ready to stand up, the U.S. can stand down, if GWB's rhetoric for the last 2 years can be believed.   

Seriously, I don't mean to be coy but do you live in another dimension?  Roadmap to peace...do you recall it?  Parties were at the table years ago under Bush...Israeli settlements given up in the Gaza Strip....Red Sea Summit?  And of course, as soon as the Israelis made that gesture (despite huge outcries from their own people), those settlements almost immediately became mini war zones and staging sites for terror and attacks.

I don't know what you've been doing Tower, but this was going on back to the Summer of 2002 when Abbas, Bush and Sharon all met SEVERAL times at the Red Sea Summit.  Three phases outlined.

The first US President to actually FORMALLY call for the establishment of a Palestinian state.  Do you recall ANY OF THIS?

You really need to get information from a non liberal bent because wherever you are getting it, they are leaving out pesky things like facts and details.




And what derailed it....well of course, the peace loving terrorists that don't really want a two state solution (as Clinton also found out with Yasser Arafat), they just want to blow Israelis up to bits.  The cease fire ended because Hamas and Islamic Jihad among others began killing Israelis again and the cycle just continued.
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Re: Mideast peace summit
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2007, 07:24:23 AM »
Actually what motivates the timing of the peace conference regarding Palestine & Israel is the recent isolation of Hamas to Gaza. Separately this opens up an opportunity with Fatah for ultimate statehood on the West Bank -----with Gaza to follow at some point in the future when Hamas gets thrown out!

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Re: Mideast peace summit
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2007, 12:17:24 PM »
What a political pickle in which the administration finds itself.  We are in Iraq fighting al qaeda, making progress, fighting them there so we don't have to fight them here, etc.   Today, the NIE comes out saying that al qaeda is the strongest it has been since 9/11, that they have rebuilt their training bases along the Afghanistan/Pakistan border (a country we ostensibly control and an ally), that they are working toward getting cells into this country so they can strike again.   This administration is forced to say that al qaeda isn't as strong as the NIE makes them out to be!   Hysterical.  An opportunity to remind us why we are fighting and THEY CAN'T USE IT!!! And they are stuck because to admit the NIE is correct is to admit the half trillion dollars we have spent on the war on terror has failed.   To agree with the NIE is to admit that Iraq is a recruiting bonanza and fertile training ground for aq.   It would be to admit that we haven't secured Afghanistan and the billion a year we give to Pakistan is money down the drain.
Beautiful.  Classic.   Argue with your intelligence agencies' NIE that says your enemy has re-constituted its strength because to agree  is to admit failure.   Let the spinning and tap dancing begin.
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Re: Mideast peace summit
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2007, 12:31:28 PM »
The NIE may say that but other sources say they have regrouped but are not in any way as strong as pre 9/11. If they were don't you thing the awareness level would rise? Remember ----no attacks here in SIX YEARS! How can that be if Al Quida is that strong.

But that's the nature of the enemy we fight----they are like a bunch of bees-----wipe out one nest and another develops.

Pakistan where Al Quida has regrouped has been off limits to US forces because US involvement in Pakistan is a very sensitive issue to the Pakistanians people so at the present time our impact there is limited.

Answer this Tower----if Al Quida is so strong----where are their attacks here or even world wide for that matter????????

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Re: Mideast peace summit
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2007, 01:20:19 PM »
And there is the pickle.   Argue against the NIE that is warning that aq is stronger inherently means that they are not as dangerous as the administration wants us to think.  And you, Murf, will constantly argue the only thing holding them at bay is our presence in Iraq.
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Re: Mideast peace summit
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2007, 01:25:42 PM »
Tower, since we've spent about $6 trillion on the War on Poverty and haven't won yet, is it a failure? 

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Re: Mideast peace summit
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2007, 02:04:59 PM »
Tower, since we've spent about $6 trillion on the War on Poverty and haven't won yet, is it a failure? 

Don't forget the war on drugs.. that has got to be in the same ballpark or more.
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Re: Mideast peace summit
« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2007, 02:19:03 PM »
Tower you are mistaken-----I've said that our presence in Iraq and Afghanistan is sapping their focus----also Homeland Security (Patriot Act remember that)----so it isn't JUST our presence in Iraq "that's keeping them from attacking America"!

 

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