Poll: What Becomes Of Todd Mayo?

[Tugg Speedman]

Strotty... with great power comes great responsibility.  Since you'll always be considered an "insider" on MUBB issues (even when you don't want to be), it would be very kind of you if you would qualify your responses - particularly on "100-page thread" topics such as this one - as whether it's pure speculation on your part or not.  Otherwise, some of us are going to get email chains in the next 12 hours saying "Mark Strotman said Todd Mayo is off the team."


That said, I gotta go with Sultan here... granted the quality of athletics' PR is leaving much to be desired on the damage control front, they're not complete morons.  To think that they're going to drag themselves through the wringer twice on one issue assumes complete ineptitude.  If Mayo being gone was a done deal, Buzz would have said so already.

A Buzz suspension could be anything.... indefinite, a month, a semester, a season, or 20 minutes.  Too many people reading way too much into that one word.

This makes the most sense.  If he's out then kick him off and don't suspend him.    By suspending him it says he he can still "fix it."

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As was pointed out before, if he transfers, he would be a 23 year old Sophomore.  Unless he tears up the league into a possible lottery pick, NBA GMs don't take kids that old in the draft unless they have already proven themselves (or are well over 7 feet).  Right now Mayo is a bench player that is under suspension, who would take him?  Answer, a "lesser" basketball program than MU making his jump to the next level even harder.

Sum it up and I'll bet Mayo knows all this and will "fix" whatever is the problem and will be back on the team for midnight madness.

My reason for voting #1

[strotty]

So Marquette will lift the suspension and bring him back solely because they don't want to hurt his chances at the NBA???

[Tugg Speedman]

So Marquette will lift the suspension and bring him back solely because they don't want to hurt his chances at the NBA???

No Mayo will fix the problem and get off suspension because that, over transferring, remains is best path to the NBA.

[Boone]

At his age, transferring isn't an option.

He's not going to start for MU next year, so he may think that his fastest route to the NBA would be to play overseas this coming season.

[Lennys Tap]

When Todd went home, he was under suspension, not dismissed from school or the team. You would have to think he knows the conditions under which he can return to school and, further, what benchmarks he'll have to meet to be reinstated to the team. All of that seems mildly positive, but if Mark's sources think he's gone I'm not particularly hopeful.

[BCHoopster]

Todd was at how many high schools?  How long did OJ stay in school?  I would say his changes of coming back are slim and almost none.  I am sure education was not overly
preached in his home.  I hope I am wrong.  Todd brings great defensive value to the team, Vander and him are huge guards and with Otule, JWill and Lockett, you have a real
solid Defensive team, love to see that.  I am not sure Todd ever starts at MU, so going to Europe might be a smart move.

[Bocephys]

No Mayo will fix the problem and get off suspension because that, over transferring, remains is best path to the NBA.

You're making a pretty big assumption that he's thinking logically enough about the whole process to reach that conclusion. I sincerely doubt that anything but raw emotion is in play.

[dgies9156]

What is conveniently forgotten in all of our desires to be national champions is that Todd is a 20 year old man who probably made a 20 year old man mistake. This is a case where I trust in Buzz, or whoever would be the coach.

If he comes back, great. I would like to see him badly as I think he is something special. If he chooses not to or if he is asked to go elsewhere, I wish him well and genuinely feel bad it did not work out for him.

I would suggest we quit acting like a bunch of spoiled over-hyped boosters and let those in whom we trust do what they are paid to do. Let's stop being God and let God and the Athletic Department do their jobs.

The good news is that if he chooses to go elsewhere, our team is deep enough to survive. The bad news would be he is a young man with great talent who evidently did something less than stellar along the way.

[Jules1993MUWarrior]

+1000 You can lead a workhorse to water, but you can't make them drink

[🏀]

Todd will be banned from the program only to return as a little known player named Hoopaloop. After discovering this deception, Buzz will ban him again. Todd will then later return as the player known as TM.

[The Process]

Todd will be banned from the program only to return as a little known player named Hoopaloop. After discovering this deception, Buzz will ban him again. Todd will then later return as the player known as TM.

[Dawson Rental]

You're making a pretty big assumption that he's thinking logically enough about the whole process to reach that conclusion. I sincerely doubt that anything but raw emotion is in play.

As one's testosterone level drops, one can easily forget how much it used to influence things.

Then again, Todd did stick around to attend summer school for one session.......

Strotty, did your conversations take place after Todd didn't enroll for the second summer session?

[Dawson Rental]

What is conveniently forgotten in all of our desires to be national champions is that Todd is a 20 year old man who probably made a 20 year old man mistake. This is a case where I trust in Buzz, or whoever would be the coach.

If he comes back, great. I would like to see him badly as I think he is something special. If he chooses not to or if he is asked to go elsewhere, I wish him well and genuinely feel bad it did not work out for him.

I would suggest we quit acting like a bunch of spoiled over-hyped boosters and let those in whom we trust do what they are paid to do. Let's stop being God and let God and the Athletic Department do their jobs.

The good news is that if he chooses to go elsewhere, our team is deep enough to survive. The bad news would be he is a young man with great talent who evidently did something less than stellar along the way.

If they were doing their jobs, would it have been 35 years since the last NCAA title?  Come on, God, Kentucky?  Kentucky?

[GGGG]

He strikes me as a punk, and possible cancer to the team. Lockett has said how impressed he is with how hard everyone is working and he's traveling the globe??? Good riddance.

Where did this come from?  Why does he strike you as a "punk?"  And the reason he isn't working with the team is because he is suspended...duh...and the likely reason he is travelling the globe is because his brother is an NBA player. 

Talk about jumping to conclusions. 

[THEultimateWARRIOR]

Agree with Sultan...His brother is a very rich man who plays in the NBA. Not that uncommon to go on a vacation when your family has that kind of money. What else is he supposed to do? He cant engage in team activities right now...

[NersEllenson]

Todd was at how many high schools?  How long did OJ stay in school?  I would say his changes of coming back are slim and almost none.  I am sure education was not overly
preached in his home.  I hope I am wrong.  Todd brings great defensive value to the team, Vander and him are huge guards and with Otule, JWill and Lockett, you have a real
solid Defensive team, love to see that.  I am not sure Todd ever starts at MU, so going to Europe might be a smart move.

Todd absolutely would start at MU if not this year, definitely next year.  Quite frankly, Todd should start over Vander, but pretty sure we won't see that happen, as if it did - then there could be some real chemistry/ego issues on the team.

[Skatastrophy]

In the past, Buzz hasn't announced players not returning until they kids found a transfer home.  I am assuming that's what's happening this time too.

I guess it's easier on the player if the PR says that "XXX player is transfering to school YYY" instead of "XXX player has been cut by MU."

[BrewCity83]

Does anyone else think Todd may be traveling the globe in search of a professional overseas contract?

[GGGG]

Mayo isn't starting because of potential chemistry issues. Buzz likes to start his best defensive line up and bring offense off the bench.

Also players don't travel looking for professional contracts. Esp in south africa. And then post pictures of their travels.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Quite frankly, Todd should start over Vander

Not sure I see that. They are pretty similar minutes-wise, and Vander is significantly better in Rebounds, Assists, Steals and blocks.

Todd has less turnovers, and shoots better from 3pt, but their overall shooting % is very similar. (.413 vs .419)

Scoring:
Vander avg. .33pts/min.
Todd avg. .37pts/min.

Not too far off, so I don't know if Todd is that much better on offense to sacrifice Vander's all-around game.

With this said, if MU can't make any 3pters, then maybe you would have to get Todd some more minutes to open up the offense. He's a good player.

[NersEllenson]

Not sure I see that. They are pretty similar minutes-wise, and Vander is significantly better in Rebounds, Assists, Steals and blocks.

Todd has less turnovers, and shoots better from 3pt, but their overall shooting % is very similar. (.413 vs .419)

Scoring:
Vander avg. .33pts/min.
Todd avg. .37pts/min.

Not too far off, so I don't know if Todd is that much better on offense to sacrifice Vander's all-around game.

With this said, if MU can't make any 3pters, then maybe you would have to get Todd some more minutes to open up the offense. He's a good player.

Mayo passes the eyeball test more than Vander.  I feel a lot more confident with the ball in Mayo's hands, than I do Vander's  - and Mayo has proven to be the more clutch player.  Vander is a better rebounder than Todd, the other categories - steals, assists, blocks - are virtually identical.  Vander played 164 more minutes than Todd last year - which is the equivalent of 4 full games of playing time.

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=todd-mayo&p1=vander-blue

Sadly, it appears we won't be able to continue the debate if Todd is in fact gone..

[Golden Avalanche]

Mayo passes the eyeball test more than Vander.  I feel a lot more confident with the ball in Mayo's hands, than I do Vander's  - and Mayo has proven to be the more clutch player.  Vander is a better rebounder than Todd, the other categories - steals, assists, blocks - are virtually identical.  Vander played 164 more minutes than Todd last year - which is the equivalent of 4 full games of playing time.

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=todd-mayo&p1=vander-blue

Sadly, it appears we won't be able to continue the debate if Todd is in fact gone..

Oh. unnatural carnal knowledgeing. Christ.

[Golden Avalanche]

He strikes me as a punk, and possible cancer to the team. Lockett has said how impressed he is with how hard everyone is working and he's traveling the globe??? Good riddance.

Someone had a crapty day at the desk. Yikes.

Btw, can someone post these pictures from South Africa? Love that place.

[NersEllenson]

Oh. fracking. Christ.

So you feel more confident about good outcomes with the ball in Vander's hands than you do Mayo's?  The bigger the games the better Mayo seems to play...

Aggregate 3 game totals from NCAA:

Vander - 5 of 22 with 7 turnovers for 16 points and 16 rebounds

Mayo - 9 of 20 with 9 turnovers for 29 points and 16 rebounds

[Skatastrophy]

So you feel more confident about good outcomes with the ball in Vander's hands than you do Mayo's?  The bigger the games the better Mayo seems to play...

Aggregate 3 game totals from NCAA:

Vander - 5 of 22 with 7 turnovers for 16 points and 16 rebounds

Mayo - 9 of 20 with 9 turnovers for 29 points and 16 rebounds

Nobody (except for you) is arguing that Vander is better offensively.  Vander significantly better defensively and because of that he will continue to be the starter.

If I had to combine 2 people at the 2-guard spot to get the majority of minutes between Vander, Todd and Trent I'd pick Vander and Trent.